Sudan Will Impose More Shariaa Law If Split

It is people like this idiot who make me love the fact that I’m Lebanese. I’m very thankful that I live in a country with a decent mixture of religions, where one side cannot impose some extreme interpretation of Islam on me. We still have a lot to improve (civill law for personal affairs), but compared to Shariaa touting fools, we’re doing very well and for that I’m grateful.

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  • CopyCat

    tell that to the salafis, hizbutahrir, jamaa islamia, tawheed, and other sunni extremists who publicly say they want to impose sharia in Lebanon

    • http://www.ninars.com Tony

      And what about Hizbullah who have already imposed a Wali Faqih regime on a large segment of the Lebanese society?
      Or the scarecrow tactic can only be applied on groups from one sect of the lebanese society?

      The de-facto Sharia imposed by groups like Hizb is far more dangerous than the legitimate public one.

  • CopyCat

    whatchou talkin about, Tony? what sharia and wali el faqih….? or are we just supposed to take your word for it? there are bars that serve alcohol in dahieh. no such thing can be said about a place like tripoli (sunni majority), where alcohol shops have been bombed before, and churches were attacked and burnt in the past, and where al-tawhid party imposed real sharia in tripoli when it controlled the city in the eighties, before the syrians came and defeated them.

    • http://www.ninars.com Tony

      Well copycat, what i’m talking about is a lot more than selling alcohol but i’ll get to this point.
      What i’m talking about is the alternative state that Hizbullah is running a full religious state governed by wilayat el faqih in the full meaning of the word; they have religious schools, religious universities, hospitals, social insurance, trade networks, and their guys monitor even the traffic, you name it and they have it. All that in addition to his own army, and his own social culture that is different even from traditional Lebanese shiites.

      Because of Hizbullah, a shiite in Lebanon can be born, learn and work and marry and die without even noticing that he lives in a multi-secterian society called Lebanon.
      Wilayat al-faqih state in the shiite communities is a defacto state, with more or less power (e.g it’s weaker in Bekaa, stronger in south, moderate in Dahiye).

      As for the alcohol point, it’s either you have no idea what you’re talking about or you just know you’re lying; there’s not one bar or even a shop that serves or sells alcohol in Dahiye, the closest shop to Dahyi is in Ein remmeneh from the east side or Chwayfet from the south side. And don’t let me start about how the security comity in Hizb act when they know that some small pub is having a party in Dahiye, or about the social and educational tactics they use to to get their people in line religiously.

      And please, i’m not interested in debating you, so if you want to reply with your same way – that is taking our minds lightly thinking that people don’t know shit, spare the effort.

      Cheers mate

      • Hani

        LMAO

        See, that’s exactly the whole point of the attack on Hezbollah. They just don’t want us to develop and be inferior in our country.

        The government don’t want to build schools for us. At the same time we should not build schools. (or wait a century for them to decide). The same applies for Hospitals, Universities, etc. Knowing that other parties DO HAVE similar things.

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        “and their guys monitor even the traffic”

        First of, there are traffic policemen in Dahieh. You only find Hezbollah “Indibat” guys where no traffic policemen come. Dahieh is a very populated place where high traffic is just everywhere in it.

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        “there’s not one bar or even a shop that serves or sells alcohol in Dahiye, the closest shop to Dahyi is in Ein remmeneh from the east side or Chwayfet from the south side.”

        lol, you’re wrong insane. But, I won’t tell you where to find these places in Dahieh :P

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        “social and educational tactics they use to to get their people in line religiously.”

        look, no matter how you try, you’re not going to make religion or religious teachings look like a crime. Religion asks us to be united, work together, care about each other, help each other, fight evil, and never submit to oppression.

        I know you can’t stand that, I know you want us divided and helpless, I know you want us to be inferior in the country, I know you look for nothing but moral corruption.

        But now here comes the bullshit that is so laughable:

        Quotes:
        “social insurance”

        “Because of Hizbullah, a shiite in Lebanon can be born, learn and work and marry and die without even noticing that he lives in a multi-secterian society called Lebanon.”

        “Wilayat al-faqih state in the shiite communities is a defacto state, with more or less power (e.g it’s weaker in Bekaa, stronger in south, moderate in Dahiye).”

        If they were meant to be comic, well it works like this: :| >>> :) >>> :D

  • http://www.ninars.com Tony

    @ Hani,

    I’m glad i made you laugh mate, and i hope it was a loud one too especially that many officials in your party consider this kind of laughing inappropriate religiously.

    So other than the phrase “the other parties do this too!”
    you didn’t reply on any point i mentioned.
    And by the way, that line is not an excuse for a party that have an establishment largest than the state itself while it accuses others of “conspiring to divide the country”.

    And your phrase
    “The government don’t want to build schools for us. At the same time we should not build schools. (or wait a century for them to decide). The same applies for Hospitals, Universities, etc. Knowing that other parties DO HAVE similar things.”

    This is a straw man argument because:
    - all the periphery regions in Lebanon are underdeveloped not just the south, the “mazloumiyi” thing applies here to all the lebanese who come from these regions including me.
    - The shiite political leadership since 1990 had at its disposal the largest resourceful institution in Lebanon, which is مجلس إعمار الجنوب with a budget that’s nearly equal to the whole Lebanese state budget.
    It’s obvious that the political leadership wants the geographical areas where it dominates to stay underdeveloped eternally to maintain their power. The leaders of Amal and Hizbullah have made a career by using the “mazloumiyi” concept and feeding it.

    As for alchohol, you can’t change the facts my friend, if there’s one public store or pub that sells alcohol in Dahiyi please name it and i’ll go there tomorrow, i’m getting tired of going to Chwayfet every time i want a beer.

    And as for this line
    “I know you can’t stand that, I know you want us divided and helpless, I know you want us to be inferior in the country, I know you look for nothing but moral corruption.”

    And you knew all that by?
    And who do you mean by “you”?

    And if you find my comment “laughable bullshit”, then good for you, it shows your unique ability to discuss ideas with a very distinguished cultural rigor.
    Bu then again, what would i expect from the partisans of a leader who only talks about cutting hands and ripping the souls of his fellow countrymen?

    • Hani

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      “And by the way, that line is not an excuse for a party that have an establishment largest than the state itself while it accuses others of “conspiring to divide the country”

      What are you talking about? These are private establishments that anybody in Lebanon can build if they had the needed resources. They are legal under Lebanese laws. Stop making it look like as if they are isolated. And Stop making it look like as if what we have, others in Lebanon don’t have.

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      “all the periphery regions in Lebanon are underdeveloped not just the south, the “mazloumiyi” thing applies here to all the lebanese who come from these regions including me.”

      If there are such underdeveloped regions in Lebanon, which is totally the responsibility of the Lebanese government to deal with, it doesn’t mean that when a party like Hezbollah tries to deal with this problem in some areas, that it should be condemned for it. Instead, the government should be thankful to them.

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      “The shiite political leadership since 1990 had at its disposal the largest resourceful institution in Lebanon, which is مجلس إعمار الجنوب with a budget that’s nearly equal to the whole Lebanese state budget.”

      You can’t be serious. Billions of dollars was being robbed during those periods. And you come here to talk about the fractions this institution was getting for a region that suffered from constant Israeli aggression and wars.

      I support Michel Aoun’s cause to make financial investigations about those periods.

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      “As for alchohol, you can’t change the facts my friend, if there’s one public store or pub that sells alcohol in Dahiyi please name it and i’ll go there tomorrow, i’m getting tired of going to Chwayfet every time i want a beer.”

      No, I won’t help you make it easier for you to lose your mind, you already … ;)

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      “And if you find my comment “laughable bullshit”, then good for you, it shows your unique ability to discuss ideas with a very distinguished cultural rigor.”

      Man, do you think those comments are discussable?

      Look at your comment here:
      “Because of Hizbullah, a shiite in Lebanon can be born, learn and work and marry and die without even noticing that he lives in a multi-secterian society called Lebanon.”

      It can’t touch any reality to stand discussion.

  • CopyCat

    Oh, Tony, but I have no interest in debating you either. You are a shia hater dude, so much so that you fail to notice the sunni extremist threat just because geagea is in bed with hariri. at least the shiites have leaders you can reason with. try reasoning with al-qaeda or the illiterate pedophile imams in tripoli

    • Anonymous

      “at least the shiites have leaders you can reason with. ”

      Most ludicrous statement on this blog. Which leader? Berri, hijacking parliment whenever he pleases, or the HA gangs huffing and buffing with their weapons when their demands are not met. Maybe your type calls this ‘reasoning’ because you can’t comprehend civil dialogue and discourse, always resorting to the language of violence.

    • http://www.ninars.com Tony

      So criticizing Hizbullah makes someone a Shia hater huh?
      Is that a mutation of “pro-israeli conspirator/traitor”?
      That’s nice, name calling is another evidence of how good of a debater you are and how much arguments you have.

  • CopyCat

    What I meant is the following: What Shiite leaders decide, the Shiites follow. Sistani in Iraq pacified the Shiites in favor of U.S. occupation, for example. If Nasrallah and Berri agree to something, their followers will stick to it. Compare that to the ideological chaos among the Sunnis. I am speaking here about the long-term Islamist threat. one is manageable, one is not, because of culture-specific features. It is this phenomenon which gave rise to al-Qaeda. the majority of Muslims who fail to integrate in the West happen to be sunnis, not shiites. Do you want to keep beating around the bush or do you want to call things by their name? Do you think Hariri with Saudi Arabia provide a good example of the kind of Muslims that can coexist with christians in Lebanon and beyond? think of MP Mohammad Kabbara in tripoli who said that tripoli is the capital of the sunnis in response to a priest. perhaps neither shiites nor sunnis will ever be torch bearers of democracy and secularism, and perhaps extremists amongst them will always have the final say, as we have seen in Iraq, and as we shall see as soon as any dictatorship collapses in the Arab world. in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood is a majority. in the gulf, the nutcase religious zealots are a majority. I think the shiites offer a better hope. but that is my opinion. i could be wrong, and in that case, Christian existence in lebanon is not going to last long….

    • Anonymous

      CopyCat, “be careful what you wish for..” the old saying goes.

      HA is blinded with power and the consequence of its arrogance will have drastic ramifications. Having a reasonable dialogue with the moderates of Lebanon was never a HA forte. Let’s see if these al-Qaeda type fanatics start having their way in Lebanon what would HA’s posture be then…

      http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2039359,00.html

  • Michele

    Hani sweetie where’s that bar in dahieh so I can go to tonight with some friends; come on don’t be a teaser?

    • http://www.ninars.com Tony

      You reminded me that i’m still waiting the same answer, but alas we’ll be waiting in vain because as we say in arabic حبل الكذب قصير .
      I stopped replying because he evaded most of the points i mentioned.
      But hey at least we found out that Hizb guys know that there’s a De-Facto sharia law imposed by the party and will try to hide the facts in any discussion.

      • Michele

        Antoun, The hezbo guys already know that there’s a shariaa imposed by the Party of God, bass baddak, the Orange guys to know it and admit it! (sigh)

        Tony what about that drink tonight at Dahieh Bar & Grill? ;)

      • Hani

        @Michele & @Tony

        You two are funny, of course in the regions of Dahieh where you find 99% shia, you won’t find such things. From a business point of view, it is so dumb to make. I am not saying that no Shia drink alcohol, though. What you’ve missed is that Dahieh contains high concentrations of Christians in many Regions.

        So, what Tony said here

        “there’s not one bar or even a shop that serves or sells alcohol in Dahiye, the closest shop to Dahyi is in Ein remmeneh from the east side or Chwayfet from the south side.”

        is ridiculous.

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        “But hey at least we found out that Hizb guys know that there’s a De-Facto sharia law imposed by the party and will try to hide the facts in any discussion.”

        Do you know how many women don’t wear Hijab in Dahieh? Have you ever been there in Dahieh?

        Please stop these silly comments.

        And btw, is that all what you care about to judge a party? You want to see bars and night clubs everywhere in Lebanon, so that no brain in Lebanon can survive to think and live, and actually make a country. It’s not just about Muslims and Shia. Many Christians don’t drink alcohols and don’t go to bars and night clubs.

        To many people, whether Christians or Muslims, Shia or Sunni, in all parties of Lebanon; whether M14 or opposition: these are things that they always want to stay away from.

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        “Antoun, The hezbo guys already know that there’s a shariaa imposed by the Party of God, bass baddak, the Orange guys to know it and admit it! (sigh)”

        lame attempt.

        The relationship that has been built between Hezbollah and Tayyar is solid and strong inshallah. And what Nasrallah said before the 2009 elections is clear “الأوفياء للأوفياء”. You know very well how your M14 leaders tried to isolate Michel Aoun, and they were so sassy to offer Hezbollah a new alliance for 2009 elections after what they have done to them. But Hezbollah said no, we are not of the type you think we are and we will be loyal to those who were loyal to us.

        One of benefits of the 2006 war, is that it shown the real loyalty that Aoun and his followers possess. And Hezbollah will never forget that.

  • Michele

    So Tony, I guess you and I were right about it; no bars in dahieh! (snif) And I thought that it was a cool area to hang out!

    Hany hun, there’s no alcohol in Dahieh not because there are 99% of shiite living there but simply coz HA won’t allow it. Shiite Lebanese drink more than any other Lebanese, trust me on that! And alcohol is not EVIL, you need to drink it with moderation ya haboob.

    As for your women not all of them wearing Hijab, howcome all women are wearing it on Manar? Btw, as a christian female, can i apply to Al Manar tv?

    And lol at your الأوفياء للأوفياء, You proved it with Fayez Karam!
    l3ab ghayra ya haboob!

    • Hani

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      “Shiite Lebanese drink more than any other Lebanese, trust me on that!”

      Trust you on what? Why should I? lol

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      “As for your women not all of them wearing Hijab, howcome all women are wearing it on Manar? Btw, as a christian female, can i apply to Al Manar tv?”

      Are you trying to make yourself look silly? Manar TV is an institution that has it’s own internal rules. How does that prove that Hezbollah forces Shariaa in Dahieh???

      Isn’t NBN a Shia TV btw? Haven’t you seen their female employees, newscasters, and reporters on TV?

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      “And lol at your الأوفياء للأوفياء, You proved it with Fayez Karam!
      l3ab ghayra ya haboob!”

      No No, lol at you for this phrase, because you obviously don’t know and understand what you’re talking about.

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      “And alcohol is not EVIL, you need to drink it with moderation ya haboob.”

      القرآن الكريم –سورة المائدة الآيات 90-91

      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْخَمْرُ وَالْمَيْسِرُ وَالأَنصَابُ وَالأَزْلاَمُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَانِ فَاجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ
      إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ الشَّيْطَانُ أَن يُوقِعَ بَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاء فِي الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ وَيَصُدَّكُمْ عَن ذِكْرِ اللّهِ وَعَنِ الصَّلاَةِ فَهَلْ أَنتُم مُّنتَهُونَ

      You know, I don’t understand and see the “need” to drink it the first place. And of course, and you know it that for many people it starts as moderate, but eventually ends by destroying them. That’s why it’s much wiser to stay away from it. (without even considering that Allah prohibits it).

      It’s very easy for someone who drinks alcohol, to fall in it’s trap when he experiences bad times, and you know what I mean.

      Also see this article:
      The Impact of Alcohol Abuse on American Society
      http://www.alcoholicsvictorious.org/faq/impact.html

      Alcohol in many ways is similar to drugs, but has less impact than the latter.

  • Michele

    Hani, it’s obvious we are dealing with a fanatic here and it’s clear why you are endorsing the HA doctrine.
    As Tony already stated, you are so good in evading the questions, just like the alcohol question; You kept on spinning and spinning until u admited that no alcohol is served inDahieh as it’s “Harram”. So tell me honey who’s the ridiculous here?

    Manar is owned by HA the same party that is ruling the Dahieh then I guess they must be applying the same rules.
    NTV are exactly the people that I mention above, the shiite who drink alcohol. Btw, i have 9 shiite cousins who all ” hamedellah”, drink alcohol.

    As for the Fayez Karam, you are doing it again, just like when we dared you to tell us about where they sell alcohol in Dahieh.
    Honey, we know where and who are the real traitors, so please spare us!

    • Hani

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      “Hani, it’s obvious we are dealing with a fanatic here and it’s clear why you are endorsing the HA doctrine.”

      Oh please elaborate. Fanatic? Is abiding to Allah’s orders, the creator of everything, something to be ashamed of? Am I forcing you to not drink Alcohol? Is showing the truth about alcohol something fanatic?

      I didn’t just talk about that Allah prohibits it. You want to ignore the studies and statistics about the impact of Alcohol on societies. An enormous number of Crimes, Murders, Car accidents, suicides, Diseases, all associated with it, and you come here to convince us that Alcohol is something good?

      Amazing enough, these studies matches what Allah warned us about in the verses from the Quran I showed you.

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      “As Tony already stated, you are so good in evading the questions, just like the alcohol question; You kept on spinning and spinning until u admited that no alcohol is served inDahieh as it’s “Harram”. So tell me honey who’s the ridiculous here?”

      Do you understand what you read? Where did I admit that no alcohol is served in Dahieh. Do you want to me to say it again ?

      Here is what I said:
      “of course in the regions of Dahieh where you find 99% shia, you won’t find such things. From a business point of view, it is so dumb to make. I am not saying that no Shia drink alcohol, though. What you’ve missed is that Dahieh contains high concentrations of Christians in many Regions.”

      Is it hard for you to comprehend this statement about Dahieh?

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      “Manar is owned by HA the same party that is ruling the Dahieh then I guess they must be applying the same rules.”

      Well you guessed wrong, why don’t you give us a visit and see the girls in Dahieh. And Hezbollah is not ruling Dahieh, like you like to claim.

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      “NTV are exactly the people that I mention above, the shiite who drink alcohol.”

      I talked about NBN, Amal/Nabih Berri TV. Though, NTV/Aljadeed TV also has Shia employees.

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      “Btw, i have 9 shiite cousins who all ” hamedellah”, drink alcohol.”

      I never denied that some Shia drink Alcohol. Your statement, whether it’s true or not, like you want to tell me that 100% of Shiaas (all your 9 cousins), does not validate your claim that shiaas drink alcohol more than other Lebanese. If your cousins are living in an environment that drives them to it and makes them forget what is in “their religion” that Alcohol is prohibited doesn’t satisfy your claim as well.

      But this is something interesting in your comment, when you say “hamedellah” they drink Alcohol. You thank Allah for it. You thank him, for what he prohibits them to do in “their religion”. I don’t have a problem with you when you say that your Christianity doesn’t not prohibit it, I respect your beliefs, but at the same time I show you what I believe in.

      And again, it’s not just about religion. For what has been shown about the very negative impact of Alcohol on societies, it’s a DUTY for any person on earth to advice others not to drink alcohol. (not say “hamdellah” they all drink Alcohol).

      It’s not strange that in countries around the world, there are laws for drinking, legal age for Drinking, to try to contain it’s NEGATIVE impact a “little bit”.

      And btw, you as a female, if you care about your external beauty and skin, it would be wise for you to stay away from it (not to mention the other negative effects of it to the other parts of the body like the kidneys, liver, and heart).

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      “As for the Fayez Karam, you are doing it again…”

      - You still don’t know what you’re talking about.
      - And it has no relation to the loyalty relationship that both Hezbollah and Tayyar maintain with each other.

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      “Honey, we know where and who are the real traitors, so please spare us!”

      It’s amazing that you want to convince Tayyar followers that Hezbollah betrayed Aoun where it has been shown otherwise in the elections and many other events.

      You blow a claim about Fayez Karam case where both parties agreed with each other about how to deal with it.

      The real traitors are your M14 leaders who stood in the front line of the resistance with Hezbollah in 2005 elections and then shown their real face after it.

  • F

    Michele and Tony.. don’t waste time with this idiot character. Since he started commenting on this blog the quality of posts has greatly diminished…

    to Hani, you’re really not doing yourself or your HA masters any favors being here. You’re only reinforcing our believes that when it comes to the HA populace rational dialogue is a futile effort.

    • Hani

      Hey, F, your comment had the effect of a drop of water in an ocean. My response to you is also longer than what you deserve to get.

  • Michele

    Hani this is gonna be my last comment on that post as it’s impossible to convince a blinded “jahel”!

    I’m not going through the religious beliefs but I need to educate u on the benefits of alcohol.
    If u drink it with moderation it’s actually pretty good for colhosterol (wine), heart (whisky),kidneys ( gin & beer), stomachache (cognac, fernet branca), etc.
    Anything beyond moderation will harm u even if u overdose on water.
    Now, answer me honestly; don’t u guys the hezbo men smoke cigarettes or arguileh? So tell me how smoking could be good for ur health?
    Just mention ONE benefit from smoking a cigarette.
    See, this is why u guys are so much not appreciated coz u are hypocrites!

    As for Fayez Karam what I meant ya zakzak that the oranges betrayed u, u have allied yourself with Israeli spies! What an irony!

  • Michele

    Cholesterol- sorry for the typo mistakes but I’m typing on my iPhone.

  • http://www.ninars.com Tony

    @ Hani,
    Mate, or mates in the وحدة الإعلام الالكتروني whatever, i learned that it only takes little patience in any discussion to reveal yourselves and your true agenda, you started out as a cool guy pretending there’s alcohol in Dahiye and now you’re preaching about the “evils” of alcohol, maybe your next step should be to tell us about the “evils” of music, the evils of holding hands in public and the evils of joy in general, and why not a lesson about Jihad and about the theocratic regime that you adore and that you like to build in the country..

    Not to mention that you you degraded the whole discussion from one about what country do we want to have to the mere detail of whether there’s alcohol in Dahiye or not.

    Anyway, you made a mistake from the beginning by assuming that since my name is “Tony” i wouldn’t know anything about Dahye would I? That my friend, reveals your sectarian instinct that you try so hard to hide, but too bad for you i lived in Dahye maybe more than you did.
    And don’t lie about Christians in Dahiye, there’s not one Christian family that lives there, and the church in Burj elBarajne that was renovated using Iranian money does not count because stupid PR stunts like this doesn’t.

    And by the way, from a buisness point of view, it would be an extremely profitable project to sell alcohol in Dahyie, just ask the only alcohol store in whole of Nabatiye district and he’ll tell you.

    I would’ve wanted to discuss you more, but you’re not here to discuss anything, you’re just another propaganda tool. It’s hard to discuss an automatic loudspeaker.

    @ Michele,
    I wish i had your patience.
    And i’m always available for a good drink with intelligent people ;) But don’t bring your cam! We don’t want the men in black showing up on us all the sudden :p

  • Hani

    @Michele

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    “If u drink it with moderation it’s actually pretty good for colhosterol (wine), heart (whisky),kidneys ( gin & beer), stomachache (cognac, fernet branca), etc.”

    You’re talking about “some” studies that shown moderate drinking of alcohol had benefits on health. However, others argue that these are lies. And I won’t be surprised that they could be associated with Alcohol companies. It might be true that Alcohol could be used as a medicine in special cases, but only in the hands of the learned as I quote Dr Benson Yeung.

    See his article here:

    Six Lies About Drinking
    http://hubpages.com/hub/Six-Lies-About-Drinking

    I take an excerpt of what he said here:

    “Lie#1. Drinking to moderation can’t do no harm.

    Many believe that drinking to moderation, even if often, does not cause addiction or harm. It’s true that drinking in moderation does less harm that drinking excessively or getting drunk. Nonetheless, drinking moderately, but often, can still cause dependence on alcohol. If you feel a strong urge for a drink on certain occasions, this may be happening to you.”

    But I’ll get inline with you and assume that Alcohol moderate consumption is good for the health. You know and realize that Alcohol has caused all what I have said above. It doesn’t matter if it happened because of excessive consumption of it. Don’t you think that it is a dangerous product to be around for people to buy? Even if it was a pure medicine sold at Pharmacies, regulations should be put for it before pharmacies can sell it to people.

    But let’s get to the real point of drinking Alcohol, isn’t it for enjoyment? Are people really drinking it for their health? Couldn’t the enjoyment lead them to excessive drinking of Alcohol especially when they are not feeling good and think that they would escape their reality by getting drunk?

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    “Anything beyond moderation will harm u even if u overdose on water.”

    This statement is true, but are you being objective when you compare water with Alcohol? The holy water that is required for our survival, and have you ever seen someone drink water to get drunk and enjoy his time?

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    “Now, answer me honestly; don’t u guys the hezbo men smoke cigarettes or arguileh? So tell me how smoking could be good for ur health?”

    First of all, can you please understand that the subject you’re discussing with me about Alcohol is not related to Hezbollah? This is not a political debate; if you were in the opposition side and discussing with me the subject of Alcohol, I would show you the same views whether religious or scientific even if Hezbollah doesn’t exist.

    (arguing about whether Hezbollah is banning Alcohol from Dahieh or not is another subject)

    About Cigarettes, there is “unfortunately” no proof that Cigarettes are prohibited in Islam. Many of our Shia religious leaders however say that it is highly discouraged.

    Yes, Cigarettes are bad for the health, but are never as dangerous as Alcohol. Plus, alcohol danger is not limited on the personal health of the consumer as I showed you in my previous comments.

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    “As for Fayez Karam what I meant ya zakzak that the oranges betrayed u, u have allied yourself with Israeli spies! What an irony!”

    Even if Fayez Karam gets convicted, he would be representing himself and not Tayyar for his acts. There is no regulated act in Tayyar against Hezbollah.

  • http://www.ninars.com Tony

    Hani people have been drafting beers and making wine since before they can write and read.
    Ironically, the greatest poetic heritage for humanity about the beauty and virtues of drinking comes from Muslim poets (including the famous Abou Nawwas).

    And statistically speaking, a lot more people were killed because of religion then because of alcohol. Maybe you should read more Abou Nawwas and less Ali Khamena’eiy.

  • http://beirutspring.com Mustapha

    Ok guys, I’m going to have to intervene to end this otherwise educational exchange. Please don’t take this ‘discussion’ to another post.