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		<title>By: Dania</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2009/11/16/in-god-we-dont-trust/#comment-13027</link>
		<dc:creator>Dania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats with the sudden testosterone surges and bashing!!! You guys are free to disagree with Mustapha but plz drop the attitude, its uncalled for. It doesnt validate yr opinion regarding confessionalism or this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats with the sudden testosterone surges and bashing!!! You guys are free to disagree with Mustapha but plz drop the attitude, its uncalled for. It doesnt validate yr opinion regarding confessionalism or this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Wassim</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2009/11/16/in-god-we-dont-trust/#comment-13026</link>
		<dc:creator>Wassim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sheesh Wassim,

You’re so angry i must have hit a raw nerve..

I would have replied to your points had you been a tad more civil (excuse the pun)&quot;

Yes, I am angry, you hit directly into my antipathetic nervous bandwidth with that surreal amount of bullcrap.

As for the point-by-point answer, I don&#039;t think it would have raised the intellectual level of your &#039;analysis&#039;, so NOT replying will not tickle my curiosity. (excuse the pun)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sheesh Wassim,</p>
<p>You’re so angry i must have hit a raw nerve..</p>
<p>I would have replied to your points had you been a tad more civil (excuse the pun)&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I am angry, you hit directly into my antipathetic nervous bandwidth with that surreal amount of bullcrap.</p>
<p>As for the point-by-point answer, I don&#8217;t think it would have raised the intellectual level of your &#8216;analysis&#8217;, so NOT replying will not tickle my curiosity. (excuse the pun)</p>
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		<title>By: Ghassan Karam</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2009/11/16/in-god-we-dont-trust/#comment-13025</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghassan Karam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wassim,
      Your rant is very much called for. The backhanded support that was offered by BS and many of the commentators is not what a courageous grass roots organization needs. It is as if they were saying that we support you once you achieve your goal. That is not helpful.
      To keep using the old saw that Lebanon is built on Confessionalism and so it cannot be changed is defeatist that had it been used by abolishenists then slavery would still be rampant, had it been used by those who brought us some gender equality then women would still be enslaved ... Change demands that we stand up to power.
    You should be proud of yourselves and don&#039;t feel intimidated even if few people show up. You can always take solace in the fact that the blight of equality , liberty and democracy sectarianism. There simply should be no place for religion in the public square. Best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wassim,<br />
      Your rant is very much called for. The backhanded support that was offered by BS and many of the commentators is not what a courageous grass roots organization needs. It is as if they were saying that we support you once you achieve your goal. That is not helpful.<br />
      To keep using the old saw that Lebanon is built on Confessionalism and so it cannot be changed is defeatist that had it been used by abolishenists then slavery would still be rampant, had it been used by those who brought us some gender equality then women would still be enslaved &#8230; Change demands that we stand up to power.<br />
    You should be proud of yourselves and don&#8217;t feel intimidated even if few people show up. You can always take solace in the fact that the blight of equality , liberty and democracy sectarianism. There simply should be no place for religion in the public square. Best of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2009/11/16/in-god-we-dont-trust/#comment-13024</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mostafa ya mostafa,
the organizers of this event are very known people in the artistic feild...just type their names and you will find articles about them...

have you done a little research before dumping your big kaka on the web...?

Do you think you&#039;re a better organizer? the idea is a week old, and is beeing organized with the participants (in case you didn&#039;t notice :)), and everybodies constructive opinion and help is welkom to bring this &#039;laique pride&#039; to day light in the most successfull way...

it&#039;s good we&#039;re not counting on you to try and change things...
what you wrote is the most silly thing i&#039;ve ever read...
then again, nobody asked for your ridiculous opinion...and i&#039;m trying to understand why the hell you needed so much to break these people and this event!!!!ohhh honny, you need attention!!!!!this is why...well hope you got what you wanted...you can go sleep  now:))

And dear, don&#039;t be too offended, &quot;yally bi dek el beb, byessma&#039;a el jaweb &quot;

you&#039;d better apologize to these people...what you wrote is totally cheap...

and you can copy paste your answer to wassim...that&#039;s totally fine with me...and yes, you hit a &quot;raw nerve&quot;...

Live and let live...and try to mind your own business...sa fera du bien a tout le monde:)))))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mostafa ya mostafa,<br />
the organizers of this event are very known people in the artistic feild&#8230;just type their names and you will find articles about them&#8230;</p>
<p>have you done a little research before dumping your big kaka on the web&#8230;?</p>
<p>Do you think you&#8217;re a better organizer? the idea is a week old, and is beeing organized with the participants (in case you didn&#8217;t notice <img src='http://beirutspring.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ), and everybodies constructive opinion and help is welkom to bring this &#8216;laique pride&#8217; to day light in the most successfull way&#8230;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s good we&#8217;re not counting on you to try and change things&#8230;<br />
what you wrote is the most silly thing i&#8217;ve ever read&#8230;<br />
then again, nobody asked for your ridiculous opinion&#8230;and i&#8217;m trying to understand why the hell you needed so much to break these people and this event!!!!ohhh honny, you need attention!!!!!this is why&#8230;well hope you got what you wanted&#8230;you can go sleep  now:))</p>
<p>And dear, don&#8217;t be too offended, &#8220;yally bi dek el beb, byessma&#8217;a el jaweb &#8221;</p>
<p>you&#8217;d better apologize to these people&#8230;what you wrote is totally cheap&#8230;</p>
<p>and you can copy paste your answer to wassim&#8230;that&#8217;s totally fine with me&#8230;and yes, you hit a &#8220;raw nerve&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Live and let live&#8230;and try to mind your own business&#8230;sa fera du bien a tout le monde:)))))</p>
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		<title>By: Mustapha</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2009/11/16/in-god-we-dont-trust/#comment-13023</link>
		<dc:creator>Mustapha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheesh Wassim,

You&#039;re so angry i must have hit a raw nerve..

I would have replied to your points had you been a tad more civil (excuse the pun)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh Wassim,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so angry i must have hit a raw nerve..</p>
<p>I would have replied to your points had you been a tad more civil (excuse the pun)</p>
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		<title>By: Wassim</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2009/11/16/in-god-we-dont-trust/#comment-13022</link>
		<dc:creator>Wassim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and by the way, you who started this blog since the killing of PM Hariri, enlighten us:

&quot;The last time they had an ally in power, his ideas were shot down faster than you can say “Elias El Hrawi”.&quot;

Who was the main gunner of that idea? Mh? A man who wanted to keep green-faced brown-tongued clerics on his side for more power? Who was it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and by the way, you who started this blog since the killing of PM Hariri, enlighten us:</p>
<p>&#8220;The last time they had an ally in power, his ideas were shot down faster than you can say “Elias El Hrawi”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who was the main gunner of that idea? Mh? A man who wanted to keep green-faced brown-tongued clerics on his side for more power? Who was it?</p>
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		<title>By: Wassim</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2009/11/16/in-god-we-dont-trust/#comment-13021</link>
		<dc:creator>Wassim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Just and simply wow. Like you defeatists / fatalists would change anything, you are as anonymous as that FB group, even MORE anonymous with your ridiculous little blog, in FB, at least, people have a name AND a family name, inside that group.

At least, this group started a movement. Hijacked? ok, let it happen. The group had over 600 comments in 2 days, you got 9 (and I am the 10th) in spite being &#039;promoted&#039; on that group.

Ally in power? this old mold Elias only tried to throw a cracker before leaving power, never really worked on that.

YES, a march would be something. If it wouldn&#039;t bring &#039;victory&#039; at first shot, it is NOT a problem. The problem lies with people like you, shooting down an idea 4 months before it happens.
&quot;But then you look deeper.

The event doesn’t have a website. The organizers don’t reveal their faces. They used a weird picture to represent their cause: A Nacho salad platter. Moreover, “The meeting point and itinerary are yet to be announced”. Even the choice of the word “pride” suggests a pre-admission of defeat. It’s a way of saying “we know we are outnumbered and unpopular, but we still believe in our cause”. &quot;

Wow, yes, it is true, a website would make it work, darn! No faces? and what, in April, you will see faceless people walking? I&#039;d like to see that. &quot;Pride&quot; means pride that&#039;s all, I wonder what wonders can your mind come up with, you must be a very intelligent, deep-looking lad. &quot;Look deeper&quot; he says. How does &quot;Pride&quot; suggest a pre-admission of defeat?

And how come you don&#039;t realize that, yes, secularism is unpopular? Just like homosexuality in the 40&#039;s? If things changed for homosexuals, why wouldn&#039;t it change for SECULARISTS?

Unpopularity is due to ignorance. People walking, raising their voices, starting a social discussion about it COULD (if not WILL) make this move forward.

BUT, with defeatists like you, whose only aim is to gain some traffic on their blog to make 50$ a year with google adsense, well, this is what makes me doubt the sanity of the country.

You are in the same ranks with feudal donkeys, monkey-clerics, and rabid mafiosos who LOVE the status-quo.

Liliane: &quot;oh i agree it&#039;s not enough&quot;... WELL IT IS SOMETHING! Even a pigeon shit would be something. All you people do is sit on your couch, in front of a rakwet ahwa, and whine, whine, whine... The gay pride started with a few hundreds, all taken to jail and beating in police stations. Then, oh, they were 10&#039;s of thousands. Then hundreds of thousands.

It has to start somewhere, and the people who started the FB group are doing just that.

Love it or leave it, it&#039;s a first step. You want to polemic with your ridiculous &#039;intellect&#039; on blogs? go ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Just and simply wow. Like you defeatists / fatalists would change anything, you are as anonymous as that FB group, even MORE anonymous with your ridiculous little blog, in FB, at least, people have a name AND a family name, inside that group.</p>
<p>At least, this group started a movement. Hijacked? ok, let it happen. The group had over 600 comments in 2 days, you got 9 (and I am the 10th) in spite being &#8216;promoted&#8217; on that group.</p>
<p>Ally in power? this old mold Elias only tried to throw a cracker before leaving power, never really worked on that.</p>
<p>YES, a march would be something. If it wouldn&#8217;t bring &#8216;victory&#8217; at first shot, it is NOT a problem. The problem lies with people like you, shooting down an idea 4 months before it happens.<br />
&#8220;But then you look deeper.</p>
<p>The event doesn’t have a website. The organizers don’t reveal their faces. They used a weird picture to represent their cause: A Nacho salad platter. Moreover, “The meeting point and itinerary are yet to be announced”. Even the choice of the word “pride” suggests a pre-admission of defeat. It’s a way of saying “we know we are outnumbered and unpopular, but we still believe in our cause”. &#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, yes, it is true, a website would make it work, darn! No faces? and what, in April, you will see faceless people walking? I&#8217;d like to see that. &#8220;Pride&#8221; means pride that&#8217;s all, I wonder what wonders can your mind come up with, you must be a very intelligent, deep-looking lad. &#8220;Look deeper&#8221; he says. How does &#8220;Pride&#8221; suggest a pre-admission of defeat?</p>
<p>And how come you don&#8217;t realize that, yes, secularism is unpopular? Just like homosexuality in the 40&#8242;s? If things changed for homosexuals, why wouldn&#8217;t it change for SECULARISTS?</p>
<p>Unpopularity is due to ignorance. People walking, raising their voices, starting a social discussion about it COULD (if not WILL) make this move forward.</p>
<p>BUT, with defeatists like you, whose only aim is to gain some traffic on their blog to make 50$ a year with google adsense, well, this is what makes me doubt the sanity of the country.</p>
<p>You are in the same ranks with feudal donkeys, monkey-clerics, and rabid mafiosos who LOVE the status-quo.</p>
<p>Liliane: &#8220;oh i agree it&#8217;s not enough&#8221;&#8230; WELL IT IS SOMETHING! Even a pigeon shit would be something. All you people do is sit on your couch, in front of a rakwet ahwa, and whine, whine, whine&#8230; The gay pride started with a few hundreds, all taken to jail and beating in police stations. Then, oh, they were 10&#8242;s of thousands. Then hundreds of thousands.</p>
<p>It has to start somewhere, and the people who started the FB group are doing just that.</p>
<p>Love it or leave it, it&#8217;s a first step. You want to polemic with your ridiculous &#8216;intellect&#8217; on blogs? go ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: CMG</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2009/11/16/in-god-we-dont-trust/#comment-13020</link>
		<dc:creator>CMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pride - like gay pride or black pride - suggests overcoming a problem, not defeat.  And confessionalism is definitely a problem that needs to be overcome.

This is an awesome idea.  More than 1000 have already signed up.  Imagine the number by the time April rolls around...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pride &#8211; like gay pride or black pride &#8211; suggests overcoming a problem, not defeat.  And confessionalism is definitely a problem that needs to be overcome.</p>
<p>This is an awesome idea.  More than 1000 have already signed up.  Imagine the number by the time April rolls around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Liliane</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2009/11/16/in-god-we-dont-trust/#comment-13019</link>
		<dc:creator>Liliane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rouba, in the art of war they tell you to pick your battles, and I personally have to agree with BeirutSpring on this one, what is the purpose of this event? I would love a secular government, but just getting together and getting a 2 min air time isn&#039;t enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rouba, in the art of war they tell you to pick your battles, and I personally have to agree with BeirutSpring on this one, what is the purpose of this event? I would love a secular government, but just getting together and getting a 2 min air time isn&#8217;t enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Mustapha</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2009/11/16/in-god-we-dont-trust/#comment-13018</link>
		<dc:creator>Mustapha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fadi,
I agree with you 100% . I would even go further: A secular state makes it easier for us to freely practice our religions.

Frankly, I don&#039;t see what you&#039;re all worked up about.The title of the post is just a way to sex it up, don&#039;t be too literal :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fadi,<br />
I agree with you 100% . I would even go further: A secular state makes it easier for us to freely practice our religions.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t see what you&#8217;re all worked up about.The title of the post is just a way to sex it up, don&#8217;t be too literal <img src='http://beirutspring.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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