Comments on: Hezbollah's Predicament: To Join or Not to Join? http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/ Blogging Lebanese politics, business and society since 2005 Thu, 24 May 2012 20:18:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Freetelligence http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/#comment-12883 Freetelligence Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:43:50 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/?p=1643#comment-12883 Hezbollah does have a predicament in whether or not to fully commit to the Palestinian cause. However, the 2006 war wreaked havoc on Lebanese infrastructure and in turn (I would think) would cause a severe downturn in the economy (see my blog <a href="http://freetelligence.blogspot.com/2009/08/wars-havoc-on-lebanons-economy.html" rel="nofollow">Freetelligence</a> for a further discussion). Hezbollah does have political and military goals, but if they are found to be the reason for Lebanese citizens living in poverty then citizens will soon turn away from Hezbollah Hezbollah does have a predicament in whether or not to fully commit to the Palestinian cause. However, the 2006 war wreaked havoc on Lebanese infrastructure and in turn (I would think) would cause a severe downturn in the economy (see my blog Freetelligence for a further discussion). Hezbollah does have political and military goals, but if they are found to be the reason for Lebanese citizens living in poverty then citizens will soon turn away from Hezbollah

]]> By: Dalia http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/#comment-12882 Dalia Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:52:44 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/?p=1643#comment-12882 I am an Iranian Israeli (dual passport) who would also like to ask, why would any Arab government like to get involved with the Iranian government, even the Iranian people detest their government. The bad economy is due to the fact that the money is spent on weapons for destroying Israel instead of improving the lives of the Iranian PEOPLE. Do you know how many Iranians are pissed off with thier Mullahs? Beirut Spring, if you think that the Israeli people like to engage in wars, you better get yourself educated. Israel will create the excuse to hit? GK you have no idea what you're talking about. Ignorance as yours will cause more tragedy. why don't you all see Israel with your own eyes through REAL Israeli people and not the garbage you pick up in the media and analyze here in your blog, and use your own mind the media has messed up your mind. my cousin in israel worked with arabs in gaza for 25 years and we were like a family. ......MY COUSINE IN DOWN TOWN TEL AVIV supported 200 families in GAZA, they used to sew jeans for our boutique and we worked together beautifully until the terrororists (hamas)took power and claimed to destroy israel. the Palestinians were wonderful with us, but hamas didnt want that. Hamas will play dirty tricks and kill and sacrifice their own children just to make israel look like a monster. israel was forced to close the gate between israel and gaza, now we can't support them. a lot of arabs in GAZA hate the hamas too, don't you realize? Israelis were working fine with the arabs until Hamas screwed everything up. this is not a very cool blog, you don't stand up to your name, Beirut Spring, I expected more awareness. I can't believe we are next door and how far out you can be. Pity!!!!! I am an Iranian Israeli (dual passport) who would also like to ask, why would any Arab government like to get involved with the Iranian government, even the Iranian people detest their government. The bad economy is due to the fact that the money is spent on weapons for destroying Israel instead of improving the lives of the Iranian PEOPLE. Do you know how many Iranians are pissed off with thier Mullahs?

Beirut Spring, if you think that the Israeli people like to engage in wars, you better get yourself educated.

Israel will create the excuse to hit? GK you have no idea what you’re talking about. Ignorance as yours will cause more tragedy.

why don’t you all see Israel with your own eyes through REAL Israeli people and not the garbage you pick up in the media and analyze here in your blog, and use your own mind the media has messed up your mind. my cousin in israel worked with arabs in gaza for 25 years and we were like a family.
……MY COUSINE IN DOWN TOWN TEL AVIV supported 200 families in GAZA, they used to sew jeans for our boutique and we worked together beautifully until the terrororists (hamas)took power and claimed to destroy israel. the Palestinians were wonderful with us, but hamas didnt want that.
Hamas will play dirty tricks and kill and sacrifice their own children just to make israel look like a monster. israel was forced to close the gate between israel and gaza, now we can’t support them. a lot of arabs in GAZA hate the hamas too, don’t you realize? Israelis were working fine with the arabs until Hamas screwed everything up.

this is not a very cool blog, you don’t stand up to your name, Beirut Spring, I expected more awareness. I can’t believe we are next door and how far out you can be. Pity!!!!!

]]> By: Borderman http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/#comment-12881 Borderman Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:04:44 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/?p=1643#comment-12881 MLK, you can pat yourself on the back, but what I wrote is hardly all over the map. Maybe, your map is reduced to the grudges you have against Hezballah. It is quite horrible that you accuse me being bigoted against and hateful of Jews, when Israel slaughters innocent Palestinians for the simple reason of having the legacy of resistance forced upon them with the creation of Israel by and out of "white" guilt. Christian whites never paid for their crimes, but committed further crime by erecting the state of Israel on the soil of Palestine, which wasn't ready, politically or socially, for such accommodation. Again, your narrow view of the world events and based on your hate for Hezballah reduces you to understand the situation with great partiality. Just to remind you, Hamas won the election, which was the will of the Palestinian people. However, Hamas was expected to drop policy of abolishing Israel. Obviously, Hamas would not have been able, politically, to announce such policy change. And it did not mean the end of the world. Israel was till capable to stand up to Hamas. What I am saying that it was a delicate moment and everyone needed time to fine tune the situation for eventual coexistence. But the fat King of Saudi Arabia and Egypt's corrupt Mubarak just followed Israel's policy of isolating and marginalizing Hamas led government. If Arab leaders were wise enough, they should have take the initiative to persuade Hamas to chagne their policy with diplomacy and economic aid. Instead, the corrupt, idiot Arab leaders forced Hamas to look to Iran without thinking about the consequences. Furthermore, Saudi Arabia's parallel government run by extremism complicates the situation even more. While can take its share of the blame, but so does Israel, Saudi Arabia and everyone else. They are complicit in this conflict. It is cultural, social problem. It is ignorance and rash. If you think Iran can dominate the middle east, think again. Iran is a developing country with a bad economy. They can not spending forever. They will bankrupt themselves pretty soon, just like Russia by over extending themselves. Once they get their bomb, they no longer want or need the complexities of middle east. They have great potential to invest in threir own country only of Israel and US does not stick its nose in every aspect and part of middle east. MLK, you can pat yourself on the back, but what I wrote is hardly all over the map. Maybe, your map is reduced to the grudges you have against Hezballah. It is quite horrible that you accuse me being bigoted against and hateful of Jews, when Israel slaughters innocent Palestinians for the simple reason of having the legacy of resistance forced upon them with the creation of Israel by and out of “white” guilt. Christian whites never paid for their crimes, but committed further crime by erecting the state of Israel on the soil of Palestine, which wasn’t ready, politically or socially, for such accommodation. Again, your narrow view of the world events and based on your hate for Hezballah reduces you to understand the situation with great partiality. Just to remind you, Hamas won the election, which was the will of the Palestinian people. However, Hamas was expected to drop policy of abolishing Israel. Obviously, Hamas would not have been able, politically, to announce such policy change. And it did not mean the end of the world. Israel was till capable to stand up to Hamas. What I am saying that it was a delicate moment and everyone needed time to fine tune the situation for eventual coexistence. But the fat King of Saudi Arabia and Egypt’s corrupt Mubarak just followed Israel’s policy of isolating and marginalizing Hamas led government. If Arab leaders were wise enough, they should have take the initiative to persuade Hamas to chagne their policy with diplomacy and economic aid. Instead, the corrupt, idiot Arab leaders forced Hamas to look to Iran without thinking about the consequences. Furthermore, Saudi Arabia’s parallel government run by extremism complicates the situation even more. While can take its share of the blame, but so does Israel, Saudi Arabia and everyone else. They are complicit in this conflict. It is cultural, social problem. It is ignorance and rash. If you think Iran can dominate the middle east, think again. Iran is a developing country with a bad economy. They can not spending forever. They will bankrupt themselves pretty soon, just like Russia by over extending themselves. Once they get their bomb, they no longer want or need the complexities of middle east. They have great potential to invest in threir own country only of Israel and US does not stick its nose in every aspect and part of middle east.

]]> By: MLK http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/#comment-12880 MLK Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:14:19 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/?p=1643#comment-12880 Borderman, I seem to have struck a nerve with you, good. Though your reply is very amature with gibberish points all over the map. Let me try and simplify it to you further. Stating the facts about Iran's imperial ambitions in the ME is no obsession, but the reality of the situation. Go back and read your original reply and see who's obsessed with whom. Just like the backward dark-aged and radical thugs, which you call resistance, you're blinded by your hatered for Israel and the Jews. A boring and worn out conspiracy theorist. Maybe if you expanded your mind's horizon by reading and listening to alternative views you'll come to realize the cool-aid Nasralaha and his ilk been feeding you is detrimental to your mental and physical health. You speak of my lack of strategies of peace as if you proposed any, you simply stated bigoted comments and pointing blames. You want strategies, how about the King Abaduallh peace proposal presented in Beirut in 2002. Though clearly that's not adequate enough for your kind since you won't settle for anything but the total annihaltion of Israel. Wake up from your blind ignorance and acknowledge the reality that the moment you comprehend Israel's right to exist we will have a permanent peace in the ME. Borderman, I seem to have struck a nerve with you, good. Though your reply is very amature with gibberish points all over the map.

Let me try and simplify it to you further. Stating the facts about Iran’s imperial ambitions in the ME is no obsession, but the reality of the situation.

Go back and read your original reply and see who’s obsessed with whom. Just like the backward dark-aged and radical thugs, which you call resistance, you’re blinded by your hatered for Israel and the Jews. A boring and worn out conspiracy theorist.

Maybe if you expanded your mind’s horizon by reading and listening to alternative views you’ll come to realize the cool-aid Nasralaha and his ilk been feeding you is detrimental to your mental and physical health.

You speak of my lack of strategies of peace as if you proposed any, you simply stated bigoted comments and pointing blames. You want strategies, how about the King Abaduallh peace proposal presented in Beirut in 2002. Though clearly that’s not adequate enough for your kind since you won’t settle for anything but the total annihaltion of Israel.

Wake up from your blind ignorance and acknowledge the reality that the moment you comprehend Israel’s right to exist we will have a permanent peace in the ME.

]]> By: Borderman http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/#comment-12879 Borderman Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:03:25 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/?p=1643#comment-12879 MLK, You are obsession with Iran is blinding you and forces you to ignore and oversimplify Arab complexities at state level for over 50 years. Iran is no angel but neither is the Saudis and the Egyptians and the Syrians or the Lebanese. Because of the Hezballah factor you hate any resistance group. You see the world through the destruction of Hezballah. You are not thinking about solution or strategies which can lead to permanent peace, but rather at sectarian and tribal levels, which happens to be prevalent in Lebanon. Without the influence of Hezballah, Harriri, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, France and the US, extremists, how do you see the Lebanese getting along between the Sunnis, Shiites, Christians and even intra-sects? All I can say is that Middle East has ignorance problem and the supposedly "political class" knows what is best for them, which far far from the truth. MLK, You are obsession with Iran is blinding you and forces you to ignore and oversimplify Arab complexities at state level for over 50 years. Iran is no angel but neither is the Saudis and the Egyptians and the Syrians or the Lebanese. Because of the Hezballah factor you hate any resistance group. You see the world through the destruction of Hezballah. You are not thinking about solution or strategies which can lead to permanent peace, but rather at sectarian and tribal levels, which happens to be prevalent in Lebanon. Without the influence of Hezballah, Harriri, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, France and the US, extremists, how do you see the Lebanese getting along between the Sunnis, Shiites, Christians and even intra-sects? All I can say is that Middle East has ignorance problem and the supposedly “political class” knows what is best for them, which far far from the truth.

]]> By: MLK http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/#comment-12878 MLK Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:52:03 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/?p=1643#comment-12878 Borderman, you speak like a true Persian... Who's in the Arab world is still calling for destroying Israel? Only Iran's terrorist proxies, Hezbolla and Hamas are marching to Iran's calling of wiping Israel off the map. Nasaralha himself declared that he's nothing but a meager solider in the army of welayat el-faqih. I don't think you need me to translate that for you. Hezbolla and Hamas simply can't survive as viable entities without Iran's funding. Though this time Israel seems to have learned the lessons of the 2006 war and Hamas is destined to suffer a major blow. I for one, hoping the terrorist group Hezbolla would be next. And yes Hezbolla is a terrorist group, just ask Beirut residents what they witnessed of Hezbolla in May of last year. Borderman, you speak like a true Persian…

Who’s in the Arab world is still calling for destroying Israel? Only Iran’s terrorist proxies, Hezbolla and Hamas are marching to Iran’s calling of wiping Israel off the map. Nasaralha himself declared that he’s nothing but a meager solider in the army of welayat el-faqih. I don’t think you need me to translate that for you. Hezbolla and Hamas simply can’t survive as viable entities without Iran’s funding.

Though this time Israel seems to have learned the lessons of the 2006 war and Hamas is destined to suffer a major blow. I for one, hoping the terrorist group Hezbolla would be next. And yes Hezbolla is a terrorist group, just ask Beirut residents what they witnessed of Hezbolla in May of last year.

]]> By: Borderman http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/#comment-12877 Borderman Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:26:45 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/?p=1643#comment-12877 Nassarallah's hands are tied by opportunists in Lebanon. If that wasn't the case, Hezballlah would definitely come to the aid of Palestinians. To its disadvantage, in thsi instance, Hezballah is not a bare-bone rebel group, then it would have aided the Palestinians without second-guessing. It is also too easy to blame the Iranians when this war with Israel is going on for over 50 years with a long history of Arabs backstabbing each other, at state and group levels. Egypt and Saudi Arabia has understand that Israel, like Russia, is neither satisfied with full peace nor with full-scale war--in case of Russia it is unsecure about its security if it exapands or contracts territorially. All Israel wants is to keep humiliating the Arab and Islamic world and keep it underdeveloped, politically and economically. This way Israel can justify its military build up, research and development of lethal weapons. pork-eating Israeli ruling class is hardly fighting to preserve their religious identity, rather they are here like a htorn in the eye of the Arab world. Nassarallah’s hands are tied by opportunists in Lebanon. If that wasn’t the case, Hezballlah would definitely come to the aid of Palestinians. To its disadvantage, in thsi instance, Hezballah is not a bare-bone rebel group, then it would have aided the Palestinians without second-guessing. It is also too easy to blame the Iranians when this war with Israel is going on for over 50 years with a long history of Arabs backstabbing each other, at state and group levels. Egypt and Saudi Arabia has understand that Israel, like Russia, is neither satisfied with full peace nor with full-scale war–in case of Russia it is unsecure about its security if it exapands or contracts territorially. All Israel wants is to keep humiliating the Arab and Islamic world and keep it underdeveloped, politically and economically. This way Israel can justify its military build up, research and development of lethal weapons. pork-eating Israeli ruling class is hardly fighting to preserve their religious identity, rather they are here like a htorn in the eye of the Arab world.

]]> By: Will Donovan http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/#comment-12876 Will Donovan Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:04:25 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/?p=1643#comment-12876 Couldn't agree with you more mate. Hezbollah is exactly where they need to be right now, and they didn't have to lift a finger. Besides, politically and militarily, Hezbollah and Hamas are on two entirely different levels. Though they may talk about brotherhood, Hezbollah is a well oiled machine with practically its own state, and it scares the living daylights out of most of the 'civilized' world. Hamas are Che-ist rebels with firecrackers, making their last stand at the Alamo. Hezbollah is not likely to stick its neck out to jeopardize itself when they know how far ahead of Hamas they are in their security and ability. Couldn’t agree with you more mate. Hezbollah is exactly where they need to be right now, and they didn’t have to lift a finger.

Besides, politically and militarily, Hezbollah and Hamas are on two entirely different levels. Though they may talk about brotherhood, Hezbollah is a well oiled machine with practically its own state, and it scares the living daylights out of most of the ‘civilized’ world. Hamas are Che-ist rebels with firecrackers, making their last stand at the Alamo.

Hezbollah is not likely to stick its neck out to jeopardize itself when they know how far ahead of Hamas they are in their security and ability.

]]> By: Ali http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/#comment-12875 Ali Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:37:57 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/?p=1643#comment-12875 Nice: http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052871.html Nice:
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052871.html

]]> By: ibrahim http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/12/29/hezbollahs-predicament-to-join-or-not-to-join/#comment-12874 ibrahim Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:55:17 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/?p=1643#comment-12874 wow... talking about that speech... you should just watch the next clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=553vSPJNRzg wow… talking about that speech… you should just watch the next clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=553vSPJNRzg

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