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		<title>By: hanan</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/11/05/a-tale-of-two-systems/#comment-12824</link>
		<dc:creator>hanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JAS, I think you better update your information on the absurdity that was campaign donations--and an obama website hardly qualifies as objective.

I notice you didn&#039;t have anything to say about my other points, which of course makes it much easier for you to refer to me as a sore loser.

This election, what was done along tribal lines, is not a model for Lebanon and I wouldn&#039;t consider it a victory or achievement unless, as Ace said, you want more of the same.

&quot;Country dictated by the God you worship&quot;--indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JAS, I think you better update your information on the absurdity that was campaign donations&#8211;and an obama website hardly qualifies as objective.</p>
<p>I notice you didn&#8217;t have anything to say about my other points, which of course makes it much easier for you to refer to me as a sore loser.</p>
<p>This election, what was done along tribal lines, is not a model for Lebanon and I wouldn&#8217;t consider it a victory or achievement unless, as Ace said, you want more of the same.</p>
<p>&#8220;Country dictated by the God you worship&#8221;&#8211;indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/11/05/a-tale-of-two-systems/#comment-12823</link>
		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But after managing to slay the Clintons AND the Republican machine, I think Bashar and Ahmedinejad won’t stand a chance :)&quot;

Count you in the crowd that believes all it will take to straighten out the bad guys is for Obama to give them one of his amazing speeches - as soon as he gets his teleprompter set up.

Somehow - I&#039;m still not buying it.  They will chew him up and spit him out.

Obama does a great job of running for office but he has never accomplished anything at all IN office - he is always looking forward to the next campaign.

Look for a new &quot;stability&quot; to come to Lebanon - it will look much like the old &quot;stability&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But after managing to slay the Clintons AND the Republican machine, I think Bashar and Ahmedinejad won’t stand a chance <img src='http://beirutspring.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>Count you in the crowd that believes all it will take to straighten out the bad guys is for Obama to give them one of his amazing speeches &#8211; as soon as he gets his teleprompter set up.</p>
<p>Somehow &#8211; I&#8217;m still not buying it.  They will chew him up and spit him out.</p>
<p>Obama does a great job of running for office but he has never accomplished anything at all IN office &#8211; he is always looking forward to the next campaign.</p>
<p>Look for a new &#8220;stability&#8221; to come to Lebanon &#8211; it will look much like the old &#8220;stability&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: VOR</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/11/05/a-tale-of-two-systems/#comment-12822</link>
		<dc:creator>VOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until such a time when we are able to accept these revolutionary changes within lebanese society and institutions we must do the best with what we have. It took a couple hundred years of struggle (which turned violent at times) and countless reforms to change the american attitude towards civil liberties that in the end little by little broke down the barriers of discrimination and stereotypes that have existed and still remain since the american revolution. We need to understand that we live in another world and a different mentality that is still holding us hostage. The Middle Eastern societies, arabs or not, are tribal by nature and will always identify with their own sects and communities, using religion as a backdrop. This is not going to change when self preservation cannot be guaranteed outside the security of one&#039;s community or tribe. This has gone on for thousands of years and to think that it will change overnight is naive. It will take courage and sacrifice to get out of this mentality and start the painful task of breaking down these barriers. It&#039;s a long road and fraught with many dangers, but it can be done as we witnessed in the spring of 2005, which gave us this wonderful blog and many others like it:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until such a time when we are able to accept these revolutionary changes within lebanese society and institutions we must do the best with what we have. It took a couple hundred years of struggle (which turned violent at times) and countless reforms to change the american attitude towards civil liberties that in the end little by little broke down the barriers of discrimination and stereotypes that have existed and still remain since the american revolution. We need to understand that we live in another world and a different mentality that is still holding us hostage. The Middle Eastern societies, arabs or not, are tribal by nature and will always identify with their own sects and communities, using religion as a backdrop. This is not going to change when self preservation cannot be guaranteed outside the security of one&#8217;s community or tribe. This has gone on for thousands of years and to think that it will change overnight is naive. It will take courage and sacrifice to get out of this mentality and start the painful task of breaking down these barriers. It&#8217;s a long road and fraught with many dangers, but it can be done as we witnessed in the spring of 2005, which gave us this wonderful blog and many others like it:-)</p>
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		<title>By: breezer</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/11/05/a-tale-of-two-systems/#comment-12821</link>
		<dc:creator>breezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect Mustapha,

The religious makeup of Lebanon, and the middle east, is anything but encouraging. I am a Christian, and I would gladly vote for a Muslim president if I can be sure that his or her policies will not encroach on my rights for freedom, and free thought and action. The Muslim world as it stands today, and specifically in the so called &quot;Arab world&quot; is anything but encouraging.  Form monarchies to dictatorships, none of these system has proved to have any tolerance for &quot;non-Muslims&quot; unless they obeyed the &quot;Muslim&quot; law of the land. So, with all due respect to you specifically as a &quot;liberal&quot; and a &quot;tolerant&quot; and &quot;moderate&quot; and &quot;democratic&quot; Muslim, you are but a tiny fraction in a sea of fanaticism, and relegious intolerance. Democracy should, shall, and would be our savior one day, but that day is far fetched, as long as the Arab systems around Lebanon maintain their Status Quo.

Throughout our history, we have learned that Lebanon is not an island, and will never be. We are a small country, with a diverse population.  Throughout the history, there have been various figures that called for Lebanese nationalism. Until not so long ago, the Sunnis in Lebanon rejected the concept of Lebanon altogether, as well as Druze. Now, we are having a Shiite problem.

Before we put Lebanon ahead of our religion, and keep our religious views at home, and behind closed doors, we will never have a &quot;proper democracy&quot;.

On another note, and because of this &quot;stupid and fragile&quot; system of democracy that we have, it has enabled us to have to most liberal, literary, and artistic production in the whole Arab world combined. So, it has some advantage.

As I said, I would gladly vote for a president who will ensure security, protect my right as any democratic citizen in any democratic country enjoys, where I can party, and drink some Arak in Nabatiyyeh, or pray in a mosque in Kiserwan.

Listen, our system is imperfect, and we can only make it perfect through governance. A hundred years ago, black and women could note vote in the USA.  They changed this through laws and governance, not through revolutions and a civil war. we have a long way to go, but we must walk the way of law. Right now, it seems that the prime minister has confiscated all the law making entities, and his men are beating other ministers bodyguards and consultants, and who knows who  started it! We will probably not know.

Let&#039;s start by correcting these small things, and maybe then we can start moving to more important issues.

For all I know, the post-Taef system is nothing more than a sham.
(no pun intended)

Our Lebanese democracy is a good starting point, and change should come by time and effort.  It is only the lazy ones who want change to happen overnight, and violently. Because they have lazy brains, and lazy minds. The are not up to the challenges of governance.

This reply is a little bit of &quot;the spur of the moment&quot;,and not well structured, but you get the general idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect Mustapha,</p>
<p>The religious makeup of Lebanon, and the middle east, is anything but encouraging. I am a Christian, and I would gladly vote for a Muslim president if I can be sure that his or her policies will not encroach on my rights for freedom, and free thought and action. The Muslim world as it stands today, and specifically in the so called &#8220;Arab world&#8221; is anything but encouraging.  Form monarchies to dictatorships, none of these system has proved to have any tolerance for &#8220;non-Muslims&#8221; unless they obeyed the &#8220;Muslim&#8221; law of the land. So, with all due respect to you specifically as a &#8220;liberal&#8221; and a &#8220;tolerant&#8221; and &#8220;moderate&#8221; and &#8220;democratic&#8221; Muslim, you are but a tiny fraction in a sea of fanaticism, and relegious intolerance. Democracy should, shall, and would be our savior one day, but that day is far fetched, as long as the Arab systems around Lebanon maintain their Status Quo.</p>
<p>Throughout our history, we have learned that Lebanon is not an island, and will never be. We are a small country, with a diverse population.  Throughout the history, there have been various figures that called for Lebanese nationalism. Until not so long ago, the Sunnis in Lebanon rejected the concept of Lebanon altogether, as well as Druze. Now, we are having a Shiite problem.</p>
<p>Before we put Lebanon ahead of our religion, and keep our religious views at home, and behind closed doors, we will never have a &#8220;proper democracy&#8221;.</p>
<p>On another note, and because of this &#8220;stupid and fragile&#8221; system of democracy that we have, it has enabled us to have to most liberal, literary, and artistic production in the whole Arab world combined. So, it has some advantage.</p>
<p>As I said, I would gladly vote for a president who will ensure security, protect my right as any democratic citizen in any democratic country enjoys, where I can party, and drink some Arak in Nabatiyyeh, or pray in a mosque in Kiserwan.</p>
<p>Listen, our system is imperfect, and we can only make it perfect through governance. A hundred years ago, black and women could note vote in the USA.  They changed this through laws and governance, not through revolutions and a civil war. we have a long way to go, but we must walk the way of law. Right now, it seems that the prime minister has confiscated all the law making entities, and his men are beating other ministers bodyguards and consultants, and who knows who  started it! We will probably not know.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start by correcting these small things, and maybe then we can start moving to more important issues.</p>
<p>For all I know, the post-Taef system is nothing more than a sham.<br />
(no pun intended)</p>
<p>Our Lebanese democracy is a good starting point, and change should come by time and effort.  It is only the lazy ones who want change to happen overnight, and violently. Because they have lazy brains, and lazy minds. The are not up to the challenges of governance.</p>
<p>This reply is a little bit of &#8220;the spur of the moment&#8221;,and not well structured, but you get the general idea.</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Mus,

Whether people voted against Bush or any other reason is only for political pundits to spin...There&#039;s always reasons why people chose one over another. Do not forget that Obama had a two year gruelling campaign that was much more bruising than the past three months. I can see the maturation of the American democracy and its people. This is pivotal in the evolution of the society in the USA.
We can all wish that Lebanon will mirror the same system...but alas in my humble opinion that will not be accomplished in our lifetime UNLESS there&#039;s a miraculous shift in the current &quot;positioning&quot; of two negatives in the region: Syria and Iran. How can we expect any changes in Hizb&#039;s and others&#039; mentality if their &quot;sugar daddies&quot; are authocratic or theocratic brutal regimes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Mus,</p>
<p>Whether people voted against Bush or any other reason is only for political pundits to spin&#8230;There&#8217;s always reasons why people chose one over another. Do not forget that Obama had a two year gruelling campaign that was much more bruising than the past three months. I can see the maturation of the American democracy and its people. This is pivotal in the evolution of the society in the USA.<br />
We can all wish that Lebanon will mirror the same system&#8230;but alas in my humble opinion that will not be accomplished in our lifetime UNLESS there&#8217;s a miraculous shift in the current &#8220;positioning&#8221; of two negatives in the region: Syria and Iran. How can we expect any changes in Hizb&#8217;s and others&#8217; mentality if their &#8220;sugar daddies&#8221; are authocratic or theocratic brutal regimes?</p>
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		<title>By: JAS</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/11/05/a-tale-of-two-systems/#comment-12819</link>
		<dc:creator>JAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 04:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;suspending the address verification system&quot; ???

Sore loser, hanan? Complete information was collected from contributors:

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/dnc08standardnd?source=mainnav

One problem occurred...two brothers in Gaza were contributing funds illegally. With more than 3 million contributing to Obama&#039;s campaign some time elapsed before the account was read and the money refunded. The server should have been setup to reject emails from .ga</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;suspending the address verification system&#8221; ???</p>
<p>Sore loser, hanan? Complete information was collected from contributors:</p>
<p><a href="https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/dnc08standardnd?source=mainnav" rel="nofollow">https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/dnc08standardnd?source=mainnav</a></p>
<p>One problem occurred&#8230;two brothers in Gaza were contributing funds illegally. With more than 3 million contributing to Obama&#8217;s campaign some time elapsed before the account was read and the money refunded. The server should have been setup to reject emails from .ga</p>
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		<title>By: leo</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/11/05/a-tale-of-two-systems/#comment-12818</link>
		<dc:creator>leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is undoubtedly a smart man but many Americans voted against Bush before they voted for Obama. Most likely McCain (or any other Republican candidate) would&#039;ve lost against any Democrat running.

If you wouldn&#039;t mind opinion of outsider, work on changing Lebanese Constitution first. Throw each and every mention or slightest hint of sectarianism. Then start looking for Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is undoubtedly a smart man but many Americans voted against Bush before they voted for Obama. Most likely McCain (or any other Republican candidate) would&#8217;ve lost against any Democrat running.</p>
<p>If you wouldn&#8217;t mind opinion of outsider, work on changing Lebanese Constitution first. Throw each and every mention or slightest hint of sectarianism. Then start looking for Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: hanan</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/11/05/a-tale-of-two-systems/#comment-12817</link>
		<dc:creator>hanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mustapha, he didn&#039;t slay the republican machine. He bought his way through the MSM and bullied people into doing his dirty work re: free speech (read: Missouri). He promised to use public financing, then broke that promise and collected  an unspeakable sum through very suspect breaches, such as suspending the address verification system. That&#039;s just the beginning.

I&#039;m not saying McCain was the perfect candidate--none ever is. But too many people are focusing on Obama&#039;s blackness and completely disregarding his policies and actions as if only the former is what makes him so great for the country.

By the way, he had help from Republican stupidity in their so-called &quot;slaying,&quot; (no I&#039;m not talking about Palin) and Hillary getting all weepy didn&#039;t help. Americans don&#039;t want a president who is going to cry when things get tough. And during the primaries he relied on cheating as well. Hillary should have been the candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mustapha, he didn&#8217;t slay the republican machine. He bought his way through the MSM and bullied people into doing his dirty work re: free speech (read: Missouri). He promised to use public financing, then broke that promise and collected  an unspeakable sum through very suspect breaches, such as suspending the address verification system. That&#8217;s just the beginning.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying McCain was the perfect candidate&#8211;none ever is. But too many people are focusing on Obama&#8217;s blackness and completely disregarding his policies and actions as if only the former is what makes him so great for the country.</p>
<p>By the way, he had help from Republican stupidity in their so-called &#8220;slaying,&#8221; (no I&#8217;m not talking about Palin) and Hillary getting all weepy didn&#8217;t help. Americans don&#8217;t want a president who is going to cry when things get tough. And during the primaries he relied on cheating as well. Hillary should have been the candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Dania</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/11/05/a-tale-of-two-systems/#comment-12816</link>
		<dc:creator>Dania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back Mustapha. Actually its the american ppl, institutions and democracy that put Lebanon and all the middle east to shame, moreso than Obama. Isnt it great that the americans transcended their stereotypes and voted for a black president?! This is an awsome turning point. Obama inspired them enough for them to take that courageous and renewing decision to vote for him. Lebanon is sooooooooo far behind on even contemplating such ideals. If we cant even agree on an optional civil marriage law what do u expect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back Mustapha. Actually its the american ppl, institutions and democracy that put Lebanon and all the middle east to shame, moreso than Obama. Isnt it great that the americans transcended their stereotypes and voted for a black president?! This is an awsome turning point. Obama inspired them enough for them to take that courageous and renewing decision to vote for him. Lebanon is sooooooooo far behind on even contemplating such ideals. If we cant even agree on an optional civil marriage law what do u expect?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) American system produced Obama, but it also produced 8 years of Bush.

2) The problem in Lebanon is not that there is no Obama to lead the crowd, it&#039;s that the Lebanese people are sheep who can be lead by any corrupt bastard. The fascist notion that a single superior politician as a supreme leader of the country would solve all of your problems what produced Aoun, Nasrallah, Hariri, Geagea and other lords that you are now stuck with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) American system produced Obama, but it also produced 8 years of Bush.</p>
<p>2) The problem in Lebanon is not that there is no Obama to lead the crowd, it&#8217;s that the Lebanese people are sheep who can be lead by any corrupt bastard. The fascist notion that a single superior politician as a supreme leader of the country would solve all of your problems what produced Aoun, Nasrallah, Hariri, Geagea and other lords that you are now stuck with.</p>
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