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	<title>Comments on: Who Is Targeting The Lebanese Army?</title>
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		<title>By: Madame Mansour</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/28/who-is-targeting-the-lebanese-army/comment-page-1/#comment-110893</link>
		<dc:creator>Madame Mansour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that wayward hizbillah militants are to blame. I don&#039;t think the organization made the call though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that wayward hizbillah militants are to blame. I don&#8217;t think the organization made the call though.</p>
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		<title>By: Hazbani</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/28/who-is-targeting-the-lebanese-army/comment-page-1/#comment-107895</link>
		<dc:creator>Hazbani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Israeli.
1. No Israeli government will send some body to shoot a choper 20 miles in Leb. Count possible gain versus possible lose.
2. Every body in Leb. hearded about Israeli planes flying over Lebanon.
3. The Hizb. has bases in the area.
4. The standing order in these bases, and in all Hizb. bases, will be: if only possible shoot at any thing flying above this or that base. As in the accounting above, all can see now what does happen if you hit a Leb. or UN plane, practically nothing. Just imagin what would have happened if the Hizb. have had an Israeli pilot, dead or alive in their hands. Again calculate possible gain versus posible lose. If the Hizb. is run by professionals (as it is) it is clear what the standing orders are. By the way it is probably the same in other similar situations when one side had no planes: Somali, Afganistan, Iraq, Gaza, Chechnia, etc.
5. A side benefit after all was said and all the tears were shed is that again (if needed) everybody (UN and Leb. army and also Israel)knows who is the boss in South Lebanon. From now on, for sure, no fly machine will go into the air without clearance from the Hizb. and insepction by the Hizb. befor and after (Cameras and electronic recorders, you know) perhaps, as with the newspapermen also an (armed) escort.
6. In any army the soldiers who shot the plane and their commander will be promoted and cited as an example.
7. There is no need for any conspiration theories, not in this case any how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Israeli.<br />
1. No Israeli government will send some body to shoot a choper 20 miles in Leb. Count possible gain versus possible lose.<br />
2. Every body in Leb. hearded about Israeli planes flying over Lebanon.<br />
3. The Hizb. has bases in the area.<br />
4. The standing order in these bases, and in all Hizb. bases, will be: if only possible shoot at any thing flying above this or that base. As in the accounting above, all can see now what does happen if you hit a Leb. or UN plane, practically nothing. Just imagin what would have happened if the Hizb. have had an Israeli pilot, dead or alive in their hands. Again calculate possible gain versus posible lose. If the Hizb. is run by professionals (as it is) it is clear what the standing orders are. By the way it is probably the same in other similar situations when one side had no planes: Somali, Afganistan, Iraq, Gaza, Chechnia, etc.<br />
5. A side benefit after all was said and all the tears were shed is that again (if needed) everybody (UN and Leb. army and also Israel)knows who is the boss in South Lebanon. From now on, for sure, no fly machine will go into the air without clearance from the Hizb. and insepction by the Hizb. befor and after (Cameras and electronic recorders, you know) perhaps, as with the newspapermen also an (armed) escort.<br />
6. In any army the soldiers who shot the plane and their commander will be promoted and cited as an example.<br />
7. There is no need for any conspiration theories, not in this case any how.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Friendly&#8221; fire &#171; Oriente Miedo</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/28/who-is-targeting-the-lebanese-army/comment-page-1/#comment-107628</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Friendly&#8221; fire &#171; Oriente Miedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] colega Mustapha expone cuatro teorías sobre el [...]</description>
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		<title>By: leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RB,

Thank you very much for your help.

Ho silly of me. I totally forgot name of that Syrian general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RB,</p>
<p>Thank you very much for your help.</p>
<p>Ho silly of me. I totally forgot name of that Syrian general.</p>
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		<title>By: Homo Libanus</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/28/who-is-targeting-the-lebanese-army/comment-page-1/#comment-107395</link>
		<dc:creator>Homo Libanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the issue is settled now. Yet another tragic reminder that Hizaballah is only competent at terrorism and other random acts of violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the issue is settled now. Yet another tragic reminder that Hizaballah is only competent at terrorism and other random acts of violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Jester</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/28/who-is-targeting-the-lebanese-army/comment-page-1/#comment-107285</link>
		<dc:creator>Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll buy theory#1, 3 &amp; 4. I know it&#039;s cliché to blame Israel, especially for every minute thing that happens in Lebanon, but It would be more beneficial to Blame Syria and Israel than to ever Blame my fellow Lebanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll buy theory#1, 3 &amp; 4. I know it&#8217;s cliché to blame Israel, especially for every minute thing that happens in Lebanon, but It would be more beneficial to Blame Syria and Israel than to ever Blame my fellow Lebanese.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was Hezbo

They know the Lebanese aremy wont fight back - and they wanted to let them know that THEY are in control of the south</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Hezbo</p>
<p>They know the Lebanese aremy wont fight back &#8211; and they wanted to let them know that THEY are in control of the south</p>
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		<title>By: Vodka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vodka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The army was emasculated in Mar Mikhael.Making sure nothing will sprout out again.
Tfeh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The army was emasculated in Mar Mikhael.Making sure nothing will sprout out again.<br />
Tfeh!</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/28/who-is-targeting-the-lebanese-army/comment-page-1/#comment-107215</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hezbo promised Israel surprises, and scoring an &quot;own goal&quot; sure counts as one. Hezb will probably use this incident to demand further subordination of the LAF to Hezbollah&#039;s will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hezbo promised Israel surprises, and scoring an &#8220;own goal&#8221; sure counts as one. Hezb will probably use this incident to demand further subordination of the LAF to Hezbollah&#8217;s will.</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/28/who-is-targeting-the-lebanese-army/comment-page-1/#comment-107138</link>
		<dc:creator>RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is this:

The enemies of Lebanon strike again, and it is the indecisive policies of the Lebanese government that led to this situation.

Lebanon and unfortunately had many enemies from within, who thrive on personal gains through chaos and instability-Those who call themselves Lebanese while they&#039;ve already sold their services to the likes of Syria, Iran and others!

The Lebanese know who they are, but no action was ever taken against them. A traitor to his own land should be prosecuted and brought to justice, and that includes those who made decisions that brought death and destruction to the Lebanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is this:</p>
<p>The enemies of Lebanon strike again, and it is the indecisive policies of the Lebanese government that led to this situation.</p>
<p>Lebanon and unfortunately had many enemies from within, who thrive on personal gains through chaos and instability-Those who call themselves Lebanese while they&#8217;ve already sold their services to the likes of Syria, Iran and others!</p>
<p>The Lebanese know who they are, but no action was ever taken against them. A traitor to his own land should be prosecuted and brought to justice, and that includes those who made decisions that brought death and destruction to the Lebanese.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/28/who-is-targeting-the-lebanese-army/comment-page-1/#comment-107085</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green and Yellow Martians...Oops Hizb of Killers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green and Yellow Martians&#8230;Oops Hizb of Killers.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green and Yellow Martians...Oops Hizb of Killers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green and Yellow Martians&#8230;Oops Hizb of Killers.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theory #5:

Some idiot with a shotgun who got a lucky shot while &quot;trying&quot; to shoot at a helicopter.

Why it could be true:  There&#039;s tons of idiots in Lebanon with shotguns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theory #5:</p>
<p>Some idiot with a shotgun who got a lucky shot while &#8220;trying&#8221; to shoot at a helicopter.</p>
<p>Why it could be true:  There&#8217;s tons of idiots in Lebanon with shotguns.</p>
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		<title>By: marillionlb</title>
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		<dc:creator>marillionlb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say none of the above, It was KADDAFI who is now pissed off with the Lebanese government!!!!!!!!!!!!
No matter who pulled the trigger, we should not forget under who&#039;s control the area is. I still recall when the Hezb use tu put all liability on the army and the ISF after every assassination claiming that it was their responsability; well more of the same to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say none of the above, It was KADDAFI who is now pissed off with the Lebanese government!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
No matter who pulled the trigger, we should not forget under who&#8217;s control the area is. I still recall when the Hezb use tu put all liability on the army and the ISF after every assassination claiming that it was their responsability; well more of the same to them.</p>
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		<title>By: frenchy</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/28/who-is-targeting-the-lebanese-army/comment-page-1/#comment-106988</link>
		<dc:creator>frenchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ RB
Usually armies helicopters are heavy steel coated, and the glasses should as well be protected against shots.
An AK 47 or similar weaponery shouldn&#039;t be able to break this coat (unless the US gave piece of junk which is anyway the case, the lebanese army bought these helicopters for USD 40 000 each).
Only large calibers of bullets should be able to break the steel coat on a moving target, can be DCA or a sniper shot with a high velocity weaponery.
(more details on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_rifle) 

Another thing that is bothering me: 
now some people are saying the pilot was hit through a horizontal shot, when he was just taking the air... usually armies helicopters in theses regions have the right to land only on LAF places, so the army should have been next to the place from where the accident occured. (perimeter of max 2 km)and more closed to it.
Why they did not retaliate ?

we have to wait for the results, maybe it was made by real professionals that disappeared after commiting their crime.
remember, high velocity weaponery, shot on the pilot, a moving target ...
not so easy to reach ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ RB<br />
Usually armies helicopters are heavy steel coated, and the glasses should as well be protected against shots.<br />
An AK 47 or similar weaponery shouldn&#8217;t be able to break this coat (unless the US gave piece of junk which is anyway the case, the lebanese army bought these helicopters for USD 40 000 each).<br />
Only large calibers of bullets should be able to break the steel coat on a moving target, can be DCA or a sniper shot with a high velocity weaponery.<br />
(more details on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_rifle)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_rifle)</a> </p>
<p>Another thing that is bothering me:<br />
now some people are saying the pilot was hit through a horizontal shot, when he was just taking the air&#8230; usually armies helicopters in theses regions have the right to land only on LAF places, so the army should have been next to the place from where the accident occured. (perimeter of max 2 km)and more closed to it.<br />
Why they did not retaliate ?</p>
<p>we have to wait for the results, maybe it was made by real professionals that disappeared after commiting their crime.<br />
remember, high velocity weaponery, shot on the pilot, a moving target &#8230;<br />
not so easy to reach &#8230;</p>
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