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		<title>By: Don Cox</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/09/independence-and-its-consequences/#comment-12528</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or do u think if we dissarm the resistance,Israel will stop harrassing Lebanon…&quot;

Does Israel harass Jordan, Egypt or Turkey?

The only logical way forward for Lebanon is to sign a peace treaty with Israel. Probably Syria will have to sign one first to make this possible. But, the sooner the better.

Lebanon, like Jordan, would still have a defense force - but it would not be constantly threatening its neighbours. (Which is what this word &quot;resistance&quot; means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or do u think if we dissarm the resistance,Israel will stop harrassing Lebanon…&#8221;</p>
<p>Does Israel harass Jordan, Egypt or Turkey?</p>
<p>The only logical way forward for Lebanon is to sign a peace treaty with Israel. Probably Syria will have to sign one first to make this possible. But, the sooner the better.</p>
<p>Lebanon, like Jordan, would still have a defense force &#8211; but it would not be constantly threatening its neighbours. (Which is what this word &#8220;resistance&#8221; means.</p>
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		<title>By: VOR</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/09/independence-and-its-consequences/#comment-12527</link>
		<dc:creator>VOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re paying the price of our own weakness and inability to assert ourselves as a state. Instead, we have agreed to legitimize an armed militia which acts independently from the state while scheming to serve someeone else&#039;s interest. Perhaps we deserve what we get and as some have suggested, we might one day learn that our own security lies in our own hands and by our own choice and not in anyone else&#039;s. Sad that after so many years of war and destruction, we&#039;re still back to square one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re paying the price of our own weakness and inability to assert ourselves as a state. Instead, we have agreed to legitimize an armed militia which acts independently from the state while scheming to serve someeone else&#8217;s interest. Perhaps we deserve what we get and as some have suggested, we might one day learn that our own security lies in our own hands and by our own choice and not in anyone else&#8217;s. Sad that after so many years of war and destruction, we&#8217;re still back to square one.</p>
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		<title>By: Hazbani</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/09/independence-and-its-consequences/#comment-12526</link>
		<dc:creator>Hazbani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This business about the honor of Lebanon being damaged by the Israeli planes is like a woman being raped complaining that some body who is looking from afar and who is prohibited from approching the scene by her family and her relatives is dishonoring her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This business about the honor of Lebanon being damaged by the Israeli planes is like a woman being raped complaining that some body who is looking from afar and who is prohibited from approching the scene by her family and her relatives is dishonoring her.</p>
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		<title>By: Lebanese Patriot</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/09/independence-and-its-consequences/#comment-12525</link>
		<dc:creator>Lebanese Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said:
&quot;Do we want to be right and keep our dignity at the expense of our lives and that of our children? Or do we want to stay alive and suck up the occasional air violation as a trade off to our prosperity?&quot;

I think that is the wrong question. Why the option of defending ourselves always means Hezbo&#039;s reality?

I think we can use Hezbo&#039;s capabilities under the Lebanese Government authority. No body is saying that Hezbo has to give their arsenal away and we have to raise a white flag. Although Hezbo is trying to tell people that. That is Bull Shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said:<br />
&#8220;Do we want to be right and keep our dignity at the expense of our lives and that of our children? Or do we want to stay alive and suck up the occasional air violation as a trade off to our prosperity?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that is the wrong question. Why the option of defending ourselves always means Hezbo&#8217;s reality?</p>
<p>I think we can use Hezbo&#8217;s capabilities under the Lebanese Government authority. No body is saying that Hezbo has to give their arsenal away and we have to raise a white flag. Although Hezbo is trying to tell people that. That is Bull Shit.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raccoon</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/09/independence-and-its-consequences/#comment-12524</link>
		<dc:creator>The Raccoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perp - bloody sad, this is. And the Lebanese are well and truly buggered.

The only thing this particular arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has in common with pre-1948 Zionism is the illegal arms.
Perhaps you might find solace in knowing that in exile, you can at least retain the good parts of the Lebanese culture and pass them on. Who knows, maybe 2000 years from now your offspring will return to the desert that was Lebanon and make it bloom again.

Oh, and if you must compare Hizballeh to Jews, compare them to the Sicarii: murderous thugs high on religious fervor and power, killing anyone not them, destroying anything they cannot own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perp &#8211; bloody sad, this is. And the Lebanese are well and truly buggered.</p>
<p>The only thing this particular arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has in common with pre-1948 Zionism is the illegal arms.<br />
Perhaps you might find solace in knowing that in exile, you can at least retain the good parts of the Lebanese culture and pass them on. Who knows, maybe 2000 years from now your offspring will return to the desert that was Lebanon and make it bloom again.</p>
<p>Oh, and if you must compare Hizballeh to Jews, compare them to the Sicarii: murderous thugs high on religious fervor and power, killing anyone not them, destroying anything they cannot own.</p>
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		<title>By: doodad</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/09/independence-and-its-consequences/#comment-12523</link>
		<dc:creator>doodad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It must be hard to be a rationalist in Lebanon these days. You look at Egypt and Jordan and surmise that peace if the way to go yet your national identity is &quot;resistance.&quot;

And it must be tough, even dangerous to be a dissident against resistance and de facto perpetual war.

How could a movement to move to peace even get started?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must be hard to be a rationalist in Lebanon these days. You look at Egypt and Jordan and surmise that peace if the way to go yet your national identity is &#8220;resistance.&#8221;</p>
<p>And it must be tough, even dangerous to be a dissident against resistance and de facto perpetual war.</p>
<p>How could a movement to move to peace even get started?</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/09/independence-and-its-consequences/#comment-12522</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We are forever doomed to live in exile -&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe.  The conflict expressed on this blog is that between a tribal grab-it-all-for-my-group mentality and one based on rule-of-law.  The solution to the Lebanese dilemma thus seems obvious to me - but it requires a change in thinking by Lebanese themselves, especially by exiles like PR and AK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We are forever doomed to live in exile -</i></p>
<p>Maybe.  The conflict expressed on this blog is that between a tribal grab-it-all-for-my-group mentality and one based on rule-of-law.  The solution to the Lebanese dilemma thus seems obvious to me &#8211; but it requires a change in thinking by Lebanese themselves, especially by exiles like PR and AK.</p>
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		<title>By: The Perpetual Refugee</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/09/independence-and-its-consequences/#comment-12521</link>
		<dc:creator>The Perpetual Refugee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...LNH said it all, bang on. (like usual).

Israel has overflights precisely because of Hizballah.

You talk about Israel being irrational. Let us not forget, the last war was due to irrational actions from our side, not theirs.

If Hizballah really wants to mess around with them, well, all is fair in love and war. We made Hizballah, whether we like to admit it or not. And our creation will be our downfall unless we dismantle them. Unfortunately, we can&#039;t. They are the only group in Lebanon with a movement, a core belief. To me they resemble the Zionist movement pre-1948. Funny how we are our own worst enemy. We are forever doomed to live in exile in Ghana, UAE, USA, Canada, France because that is how we shaped our own destiny. All the while, Iranian influence moves to shores of the Mediterranean. And we sit here, writing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;LNH said it all, bang on. (like usual).</p>
<p>Israel has overflights precisely because of Hizballah.</p>
<p>You talk about Israel being irrational. Let us not forget, the last war was due to irrational actions from our side, not theirs.</p>
<p>If Hizballah really wants to mess around with them, well, all is fair in love and war. We made Hizballah, whether we like to admit it or not. And our creation will be our downfall unless we dismantle them. Unfortunately, we can&#8217;t. They are the only group in Lebanon with a movement, a core belief. To me they resemble the Zionist movement pre-1948. Funny how we are our own worst enemy. We are forever doomed to live in exile in Ghana, UAE, USA, Canada, France because that is how we shaped our own destiny. All the while, Iranian influence moves to shores of the Mediterranean. And we sit here, writing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/09/independence-and-its-consequences/#comment-12520</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To illustrate my point, let’s talk about Israeli overflights over Lebanese territories. By all measures, they are internationally illegal,&lt;/i&gt;

Although the U.N. currently disagrees (it has not yet justified its position), paragraph 15 of UNSC 1701 can be interpreted as authorizing Israeli overflights.  Israel certainly has seen it that way since day one.  It is one of the few parts of 1701 that explicitly goes beyond Chapter 6 limitations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>To illustrate my point, let’s talk about Israeli overflights over Lebanese territories. By all measures, they are internationally illegal,</i></p>
<p>Although the U.N. currently disagrees (it has not yet justified its position), paragraph 15 of UNSC 1701 can be interpreted as authorizing Israeli overflights.  Israel certainly has seen it that way since day one.  It is one of the few parts of 1701 that explicitly goes beyond Chapter 6 limitations.</p>
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		<title>By: whywesteppin</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/08/09/independence-and-its-consequences/#comment-12519</link>
		<dc:creator>whywesteppin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no dignity in allowing a party to operate outside your control while being willing to accept the consequences of their actions. There is no dignity in fighting wars outside the people&#039;s authority but doing it knowing full well that the people will pay for your actions. These are the things that threaten our pride and dignity -- not a plane in the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no dignity in allowing a party to operate outside your control while being willing to accept the consequences of their actions. There is no dignity in fighting wars outside the people&#8217;s authority but doing it knowing full well that the people will pay for your actions. These are the things that threaten our pride and dignity &#8212; not a plane in the sky.</p>
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