Comments on: Coexisting With Hebollah http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/ Blogging Lebanon since 2005 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:02:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Last Week Recap | The Beirut Spring, a Lebanese Blog http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12297 Last Week Recap | The Beirut Spring, a Lebanese Blog Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:39:28 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12297 [...] Coexisting With Hebollah [...] [...] Coexisting With Hebollah [...]

]]> By: mr wonderful http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12296 mr wonderful Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:21:30 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12296 None of you armchair quarterbacks, nor your mafia bosses in the government, who are masterfully adept at stealing the country's resources, have outsmarted Hizbullah yet, on any level and in any arena. You have lost all you bets that you placed on the Saudis, the U.S. and Israel. I hope you keep pushing and straining in the same direction, with no gain. None of you armchair quarterbacks, nor your mafia bosses in the government, who are masterfully adept at stealing the country’s resources, have outsmarted Hizbullah yet, on any level and in any arena. You have lost all you bets that you placed on the Saudis, the U.S. and Israel. I hope you keep pushing and straining in the same direction, with no gain.

]]> By: Guy http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12295 Guy Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:54:38 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12295 It's precisely because Israel is sadly capable of deals with a dictatorship like Syria that an offer of an alliance from the Sunni-Christian majority would make such a deal impossible - there would be a viable and far more attractive alternative of real peace with the Lebanese majority. It’s precisely because Israel is sadly capable of deals with a dictatorship like Syria that an offer of an alliance from the Sunni-Christian majority would make such a deal impossible – there would be a viable and far more attractive alternative of real peace with the Lebanese majority.

]]> By: Bronx-man http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12294 Bronx-man Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:40:28 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12294 Sol 2 - I agree that Israel wouldn't look at an armed exercise in liberation terms. It would be more of a case of of not wanting to let the neighborhood deteriorate further. As for signing any kind of a ceasefire allowing Lebanon to slip further under the grip of the bad guys, Syria would be a better signing prospect than Hezbullah. They would have more to barter with that would be of interest to the Israelis. Sol 2 -

I agree that Israel wouldn’t look at an armed exercise in liberation terms. It would be more of a case of of not wanting to let the neighborhood deteriorate further. As for signing any kind of a ceasefire allowing Lebanon to slip further under the grip of the bad guys, Syria would be a better signing prospect than Hezbullah. They would have more to barter with that would be of interest to the Israelis.

]]> By: Solomon2 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12293 Solomon2 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:16:49 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12293 <i>Israel, for one, won’t sit and do nothing</i> True, Israel might do what it did for Hamas: sign a cease-fire allowing Hezbollah to consolidate its grip upon the population. America engages in liberation games, but Israel currently won't. Israel, for one, won’t sit and do nothing

True, Israel might do what it did for Hamas: sign a cease-fire allowing Hezbollah to consolidate its grip upon the population. America engages in liberation games, but Israel currently won’t.

]]> By: Bronx-man http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12292 Bronx-man Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:01:43 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12292 The consequences of a Hezbullah effort to take over Lebanon will spread quickly. Israel, for one, won't sit and do nothing. That means Syria and Iran will be brought in for support. Then there are the U.S., France and England who will come to the aid of the anti Hezbullah forces. The Saudi's wiil find a spot to occupy also. Basically, it will truly be a case of the shit hitting the fan. Iran, which calls all of the shots on the Hezbullah side, is unlikely to willingly allow the whole process to get off the ground. The real unknown - my idea - is a President Obama. The consequences of a Hezbullah effort to take over Lebanon will spread quickly. Israel, for one, won’t sit and do nothing. That means Syria and Iran will be brought in for support. Then there are the U.S., France and England who will come to the aid of the anti Hezbullah forces. The Saudi’s wiil find a spot to occupy also. Basically, it will truly be a case of the shit hitting the fan. Iran, which calls all of the shots on the Hezbullah side, is unlikely to willingly allow the whole process to get off the ground. The real unknown – my idea – is a President Obama.

]]> By: Solomon2 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12291 Solomon2 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:44:54 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12291 <i>What is better? War or living under the will of Hezbollah?</i> Unless you develop some spine, you'll probably get both. What is better? War or living under the will of Hezbollah?

Unless you develop some spine, you’ll probably get both.

]]> By: Dania http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12290 Dania Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:51:26 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12290 In the 80s hizzis kidnapped a "soviet" diplomat in the same line as they did with any other foreigner... The soviets responded by kidnapping and killing several hizzis in return. Their bodies were sent chopped and mutilated. The diplomat was released shortly after. Hizzis understand one thing: force. They used it against Israel and it worked, and the same should be applied to them. They left no room for compromise or understanding of any kind. In the 80s hizzis kidnapped a “soviet” diplomat in the same line as they did with any other foreigner… The soviets responded by kidnapping and killing several hizzis in return. Their bodies were sent chopped and mutilated. The diplomat was released shortly after. Hizzis understand one thing: force. They used it against Israel and it worked, and the same should be applied to them. They left no room for compromise or understanding of any kind.

]]> By: Guy http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12289 Guy Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:14:31 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12289 Why not to consider an open alliance with Israel? Yes, it's an anaphema in today's Lebanon as far as I understand but it's certainly not a new concept for any of the groups and it is likely to lead to a geopolitical balance that will leave Hizballahstan unable to rule the rest of Lebanon. Also, since for Israel that would be a godsend politically, one can be assured if not of good Israeli intentions then of a desire to not screw up a chance to have a friendly country nearby. It also means that Israeli support would be a card to trade: you'd be able to tell HA "give up your Iranian support if you want us to give up the Israeli one" - a card you currently don't have (Saudis don't like direct confrontations). Finally, it means that no matter what HA does to Israel, the war would be between these two, with the rest of Lebanon not having to be a pawn in Israeli-Iranian games. Is there some aspect (other than the emotional one) that prevents this scenario (assuming that partition is the way to go of which I'm not sure)? Why not to consider an open alliance with Israel? Yes, it’s an anaphema in today’s Lebanon as far as I understand but it’s certainly not a new concept for any of the groups and it is likely to lead to a geopolitical balance that will leave Hizballahstan unable to rule the rest of Lebanon.

Also, since for Israel that would be a godsend politically, one can be assured if not of good Israeli intentions then of a desire to not screw up a chance to have a friendly country nearby.

It also means that Israeli support would be a card to trade: you’d be able to tell HA “give up your Iranian support if you want us to give up the Israeli one” – a card you currently don’t have (Saudis don’t like direct confrontations).

Finally, it means that no matter what HA does to Israel, the war would be between these two, with the rest of Lebanon not having to be a pawn in Israeli-Iranian games.

Is there some aspect (other than the emotional one) that prevents this scenario (assuming that partition is the way to go of which I’m not sure)?

]]> By: Louis-Noel Harfouche http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12288 Louis-Noel Harfouche Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:06:48 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/07/21/coexisting-with-hebollah/#comment-12288 yah, "labnanet", right! Heard that one a long time ago! Wasn't that the whole idea behind the 1920-Lebanon project? We saw where that went. Let's be honest folks. Lebanon in its current configuration (political and territorial, i.e, a unitary state with its 10,452Km2) is no longer realistically sustainable. I'm hoping for an amicable divorce, but I don't think that's even possible anymore. yah, “labnanet”, right! Heard that one a long time ago! Wasn’t that the whole idea behind the 1920-Lebanon project? We saw where that went. Let’s be honest folks. Lebanon in its current configuration (political and territorial, i.e, a unitary state with its 10,452Km2) is no longer realistically sustainable. I’m hoping for an amicable divorce, but I don’t think that’s even possible anymore.

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