Zaghloul was shot by members of the berri parliamentary mini militia not by mobs. Harriri’s too little too late action wont do anything to reassure or put a stop to these criminal provocations. Their purpose is to drive the “sunnis” to either clash with the eerily idle security forces or to resort to violence themselves.

If the sunni street does not get protected by the authorities, it will protect itself and will turn against the Future Movement for not protecting them. The only option is to “organize” a controlled Sunni militia to protect their areas.

That’s the whole point of the operation isn’t it? Turn the Sunni against FM.

Divide and Conquer is a proven method in war …. and there can be no doubt that this is a “war” against Lebanon.

perceived? PERCEIVED??

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Mustapha, your “jounalism” is sounding more and more like the good ol standard semi-official propaganda journalism that serves and worships at the feet of any given arab regime. Good JOB! I REALLY want you to keep it up. The most important thing is to keep your readership ignorant. Not for the benefit of Mr. Hariri & Co., mind you. Please, just say “perceived” one more time, out loud!

One suggestion on improving your ultra-hip, super-neat, graphical designy right side column: Daily news headlines that begin with news of the royal family: whom Mr. Hariri welcomed today, what awards he was given, what medals he gave and to which foreign dignitary, which piece of kleenex was used to wipe his nose, which sports did his niece play after school the day before, etc.. Then you will be a real bona fide Saudi “journalist”!

puce porcupine,
Chill out dude. Take your meds in case you forgot to.

I supose the journalists in Mr. Porcupine’s excellent treatise would also be very keen to censor his words of wisdom, lest they poison the minds of impressionable readers who have no other source of information but this individual’s blog.

puce porcupine,
your not getting it. This is not a political demagogy. do not ignore the big white elephant in the room, the sunni’s in lebanon are increasigly concerned about there safety, they’re cornered and forced to a wall (well at least they feel that way), and judging from the same scenarios that accured in the med-east (palestine, iraq ect..), this secular (compared to the rest) sunni community will start turning to a radical group(s) promising them security. Believe you me, the sunni’s will not let this blow over without any insurance of there safety and place in lebanon. you’ve got two faces to the sunni coin, to choose from; a secular capitalistic sunni movement that rejects violence and promotes education like FM or more radical armed ideology that flourish on ignorance and sect-cleansing like al-qaida or fatih-l-islam.
lebanon needs more rogerian talks rather than a sectarian polarization of sunni’s and shia’a. I am just sick of the political homilies and the bullshit that the “leaders” spew. Nip this in the bud, casuistic solution will not work.

chears

Sunni my ass people…..lets stop the sunni,orthodoxe,deuze,shia,maronite bullshit,and start for once to talk about LEBANON.a countryyyyyyyyyyyyy you morons…….

Its hard to when you have guns pointed at you for the only reason bieng,the faith you were born into.So,when scumbags like the rabid militiamen of Hizb and co,go back to their ratholes,im sure we can continue building Lebanon…..you moron.

morons, morons, in the swimming pool
some days are hot, some days are cold,
in the swimming pool!

Did you all watch kalem el ness today ? For about two hours, it was Marcel asking a question, Hezbollah guy bringing up a completely different topic, and future movement guy telling him he didn’t answer the question.

the whooooooooooooooole time he did that?
wow.

What Sunni shia are you talking about, this is a pure political dispute , unless you are listening to the saudis and their little kid Saad Hariri ( I am not shia ) .
The opposition has leaders from all sects and the previous government supporters have leaders from all sects , therefore no one is attacking the sunnies or the Druze or the christians because of their faith believe.

lets say I am Druze , with the opposition, with Areslan, that means I am against Junblatt not against the druze , Or Lets say I am Christian with JaaJaa that means I am against Aoun not against the christians , one last example because it sounds like you are not getting guys:

Lets say I am SUNNI with Omar Karami and Alhoss that means I am agains the little Saudi kid Hariri not against the Sunnis…. CLEAR , so stop the bullshit .

Habeen,

I’ll assume you’re right, and there’s a good chance you are, but you’re missing the point.

The point is not whether or not there is a real threat against Sunnis, the point is whether or not there exists such a “perception” among large swathes of people.

Whether it’s the product of “Saudi propaganda”as you say, Ill discipline from Hezbollah and Amal members who brought up anti-sunni historic grievances as they dragged their sunni captives, or the shouts of shiaa triumphalism from the little educated in mixed neighborhoods, such a perception widely exists, and whether or not it’s a fair perception is beside the point.

Unfortunately, it’s a perception of weakness and humiliation that drives radicalism, not the reality of it. This is why this shouldn’t be taken lightly, let alone denied altogether, as it’s becoming the norm in opposition circles.

Habeen USA

“The opposition has leaders from all sects and the previous government supporters have leaders from all sects , therefore no one is attacking the sunnies or the Druze or the christians because of their faith believe.”

You’re not getting the lebanese demographic red lines and there mentality.

lebanon-101;
lesson-1 every thing in lebanon is sectarian.
lesson-2 there is demographic red/green lines carving lebanon to small sectarian territories, dont cross them if your not from that faith/belief/sect

i know thats insane and even moronic, but thats the sad truth about lebanon, there are certain unwritten rules everyone needs to abide with to prevent another civil war.

lets say I am Druze , with the opposition, with Areslan, that means I am against Junblatt not against the druze , Or Lets say I am Christian with JaaJaa that means I am against Aoun not against the christians , one last example because it sounds like you are not getting guys:
Lets say I am SUNNI with Omar Karami and Alhoss that means I am agains the little Saudi kid Hariri not against the Sunnis…

Karami said that he will stick with his sect if the clashed turned to a full scale civil war, even he new the potential outcomes. and some rumors where going around (i cant validate this), that erslan supporters joined the psp’s when hizbollah was pounding there villages with artillery shells. You dont know whats going on till you listen to the people on the ground, every one from the sunni’s and druze are getting marginlized to someone that can give them security.

Now how did it turn sectarian, if they where attacking the only the FM offices? well simple, FM offices are located in there territorial strongholds aka sunni area’s so when armed shia’a groupls come in and start burning “2il 2a7′dar wel yabis” the locals will take it as an attack on the sunni’s in beirut.

Hezbollah lost most of his sunni supporters (i know because ALOT of my neutral and m8ers friends shifted there support away from h.a), and they are getting less popular in the middle east, the public is perceiving them as another hamas with an iranian dress. in a nut shell hezbollah gave the m14 the opportunity to play the victim and gain the world sympathy.

/rant off
cheers

Hizbollah arrogance is supported by their “educated, civilized, cultured” people and this is a very bad signs it means: the drift is huge and We “Moderate” either dont have place in this struggle or will shift to extremism.

rollen, you’re right when you say: “they gave the m14 the opportunity to play the victim and gain sympathy”, but why did they do that? they knew what they were doing. they risked this scenario of giving m14 the opportunity to play the victim in order to pull off what they pulled off. what did they pull off? class?

red bananan,

well what h.a did is a short term strategic victory with the cost of the whole political war with m14, that reflects his lack of strategic analysis and political eyesight.

what h.a/amal did is pretty smart, shock the m14 then try to brake a deal with them as fast as possible, that gives m8 as much leverage as they can get, but that comes of the cost of losings peoples faith in the “resistance” and specially on the sunni and druzi side. the real outcome of what happened a month ago will be reflected in the 2008 election.

it doesnt matter what was the intension of h.a when he invaded west beirut, maybe he wanted to liberiate the sunni’s from a dictator, that doesnt really matter, what matters is what the sunni’s understood from h.a action in tre2-jdideh and other area’s (again reflects his lack of strategic analysis and political eyesight) they saw an invasion of shia’a armed men to there community (no offense).
when you hear people saying “we gave you shelter when you where fleeing the israeli bombardments, and that kind of thanking we get?” this statement alone mirrors the peoples prospective. what i am afraid of (a guy comes from a sunni community) is the reaction of the sunni’s, what will they do? if that continues “fal 2ati 2a3zam”.

“…what matters is what the sunni’s understood from h.a action…”

no, that is not what matters.

for a typist on mustapha’s blog who is so sure that they lack “strategic analysis and political eyesight”, you seem to have a very narrow perspective of the factors and players.

again, class, what did they pull off?

“no, that is not what matters”.

yes r.b that matters, don’t try to down play what happened, sunni’s in lebanon feel vulnerable and oppressed (even if they real aren’t), and that scenario transpired all over the m.e and it led to the same extreme road.

“for a typist on mustapha’s blog who is so sure that they lack “strategic analysis and political eyesight”, you seem to have a very narrow perspective of the factors and players.”

if you don’t agree with me that’s fine, i am just basing my illation on what i saw from h.a in the past 8 years and of his “most consequential decisions” which failed or ended up as a devastating outcomes (the kidnapping of the 2 soldiers, the downtown tents, last coup d’etat, the unconditional support for syria).
and one last thing, do you think what h.a did in beirut last month was a sapient decision?

“again, class, what did they pull off?”

apologies im failing to understand what do you want me to say exactly

if you don’t know what they pulled off, then you can keep guessing, and repeating the same media lines. class? anyone?

im wasting my time, stick your fingers in your ears and go tinga-linga-loo.. thats what you people are good at.

“you people”! i like that! you are so enlightened.
eh, if you haven’t noticed, i’m not a people, i’m a banana.

Sunni are persecuted by Persian Shiaa in the streets of Beirut: Barbour, Korneish El Mazra’a, Mar Elias and even Aramoun and Bshamoun in Mount Lebanon.

This shall stop!!!! Sunni and the Future Movement should impose in equilibrium of power. Look how Druze did in Niha and Barouk. As Sunni we should do the same. We have all the money from KSA to support us (and yes Aounites: get jealous we have the money, you don’t). Plus we have One Billion Muslim Sunni and potential Djihadist to support us!!!!

Is this the way for Iran to Liberate Jerusalem by killing innocent Sunni children and women in the streets of Beirut!!!!

God knows that khoumeini was the devil himself.

“you people”! i like that! you are so enlightened.
eh, if you haven’t noticed, i’m not a people, i’m a banana.

get a life fruitcake and stop spamming

spamming? i do not think that expressing opinions that rollen doesn’t like is a correct definition of spamming.

but i do like the new name you gave me: “fruitcake!” i will add this to “you people” and will be waiting for a new name for you to call me.

i will try to get a life as you suggest. i guess you are bothered by the amount of comments i spend time posting here, judging from the amount of time you spend following up on what i say.

sam (above) expressed his opinion. do you consider that spamming too? see, he knows how to call people names, and he is very honest in expressing his opinion. of course he is full of mloukiyeh.

i promised my self to not feed the troll (add that to your list), but what the heck, i don’t agree with sam as much i don’t agree with you, i ignored him because he wasn’t trying to be such an attention whore (Oow another, write it down!) and trying to piss the others and i off, thats why i called you a spammer, every time i open a comment box i see you trying to harass some bloke. my mistake was replying to you in the first place, thinking (naively) that you will act like an adult.

Regards

rollen, you really don’t realize that you are not better than me do you? in fact, i am your mirror.

you think your political opinions are “right on”, and so do i!

you think that you are trying to rectify the way the comments are going, because somehow what others are saying does not apply, and i think i am doing the same thing!

you belittle people who you are annoyed with, and i do too!

you try to be witty, and so dot i!

rollen, will you marry me?

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@ Sam:
People like you discust me…..is this the what the 14 of march revolution brought us too……is this the country we dreamed off after we kicked the Syrian ass out of lebanon…..a country that is filled with people like Sam,and the leaders that encourage such assholes…..but i don’t blame Sam he thinks from his ass rather than his brain…..it’s his mafia radicalist leaders who brainwash him……
F**k your sunni wahabist KSA…And the syrian dictator criminal regime…..and all the arabs…..
When r we gonna think as loyalists to a country named lebanon????????

ado, you ask when? i’ll tell you when: after you admit that you also have, to use you your words, “mafia radicalist leaders” who “brainwashed” you. therefore, to use your words: “f*** your ….. (insert your sect here) & … (insert foreign supporting country here)…”

note: this was all done in the interest of journalistic integrity and fair & balanced reporting.

Ado

you’re such a loser, no energy to waist on you:
- When Aoun stop greeting Al Assad who killed the best Lebanese leaders, then I’ll respect you.
- You’re racist and full of hatred towards 30% of Lebanese who are sunni.

The point is how to counter Iran efforts aiming to:
- Humiliate and persecute Lebanese,
- Buying their lands,
- Causing their massive immigration outside their country
- Playing with their fate in the name of that bullshit resistance for the sake of regional hegemony.

@ Sam and Red Banana
I’m Sunni but my country comes first….R.B you’re totally right,but fanatic people,and people who talk religion and sects instead of their country,piss me off….sorry for any foul language i used,sorry for being for a moment just like them……

ado, say it with me: long live syria!

Reb B:
DREAM ON DUDE….DREAM ON…..

well, neither your dreaming on nor my dreaming on has any affect on it anyway… it will outlive the both of us, and will remain adamant and unyielding.

israel, on the other hand, will bend and break.

عنا هالأرزة يا ماشالله
نشالله ما يضربها الله
وفي عنا حريري ونصرالله
وجوقة كل الشراميط والمنايك
وعنا مواسم طائفية
بتغيب، بترجع قوية

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