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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 02:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure I share this view.  If you look at what America is doing and the way it is being done, it is something that is probably designed to unfold over decades rather than to be a reactionary response to any specific event.

I would say that within the next 5 to 10 years, the Shiites will have alternatives to Iran for leadership.  If Najaf can remain independent of Qom, there could be some interesting possibilities.  But none of this is going to play out over the course of days or weeks or even months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure I share this view.  If you look at what America is doing and the way it is being done, it is something that is probably designed to unfold over decades rather than to be a reactionary response to any specific event.</p>
<p>I would say that within the next 5 to 10 years, the Shiites will have alternatives to Iran for leadership.  If Najaf can remain independent of Qom, there could be some interesting possibilities.  But none of this is going to play out over the course of days or weeks or even months.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronx-man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronx-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 10:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JAS (May 15) -

&quot;Iranian benevolence for a limited few will eventually dry up, then what?&quot;

Payback time, that&#039;s what.  The &quot;owner&quot; wanting to recoup his investment.  People better start to think about what&#039;s waiting over the horizon after Hezbullah completes a total infiltration of the political scene.  You can get a feel for it just by seeing how Iran is run.  And you can add to the mix Lebanon acting as a springboard for military adventures with Israel. That&#039;s what &quot;buffer states&quot; are used for.

&quot;yet the population fails to act as a unified independent nation&quot;

Amen! That&#039;s the key.  It&#039;s the &quot;how&quot; that&#039;s constantly out of grasp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JAS (May 15) -</p>
<p>&#8220;Iranian benevolence for a limited few will eventually dry up, then what?&#8221;</p>
<p>Payback time, that&#8217;s what.  The &#8220;owner&#8221; wanting to recoup his investment.  People better start to think about what&#8217;s waiting over the horizon after Hezbullah completes a total infiltration of the political scene.  You can get a feel for it just by seeing how Iran is run.  And you can add to the mix Lebanon acting as a springboard for military adventures with Israel. That&#8217;s what &#8220;buffer states&#8221; are used for.</p>
<p>&#8220;yet the population fails to act as a unified independent nation&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen! That&#8217;s the key.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;how&#8221; that&#8217;s constantly out of grasp.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran w/ nukes seems dangerous to me, Iran with hezbollah and hamas and syria seems only modestly dangerous to people who aren&#039;t me.  I still hate saudi arabia more than Iran in terms of detrimental international influence if you discount nukes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran w/ nukes seems dangerous to me, Iran with hezbollah and hamas and syria seems only modestly dangerous to people who aren&#8217;t me.  I still hate saudi arabia more than Iran in terms of detrimental international influence if you discount nukes.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Vilbel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad Vilbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for the record. If there is anyone who is &quot;dumb&quot; in all this, it&#039;s got to be the Lebanese people as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for the record. If there is anyone who is &#8220;dumb&#8221; in all this, it&#8217;s got to be the Lebanese people as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More like &quot;Friedman shallow, Ignatius, dumb?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More like &#8220;Friedman shallow, Ignatius, dumb?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ramsis</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramsis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdul
once again you figured it all out. you&#039;ve cracked the Zionist code!! it wont be long now until you find out how we Americans and Jew&#039;s are secretly hunting down Lebanese children and grinding their bones into bread.
   Gimme a break, your rhetoric is tired and is a obvious reflection of your 6th century way of thought. I feel that the Lebanese are finally growing weary of this way of thinking.
Bad vilbel:
   I agree! the liberals can&#039;t seem to decide wether bush is some evil genious or dumb as a sack of hammers, so they play both sides of that argument whenever it serves their argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdul<br />
once again you figured it all out. you&#8217;ve cracked the Zionist code!! it wont be long now until you find out how we Americans and Jew&#8217;s are secretly hunting down Lebanese children and grinding their bones into bread.<br />
   Gimme a break, your rhetoric is tired and is a obvious reflection of your 6th century way of thought. I feel that the Lebanese are finally growing weary of this way of thinking.<br />
Bad vilbel:<br />
   I agree! the liberals can&#8217;t seem to decide wether bush is some evil genious or dumb as a sack of hammers, so they play both sides of that argument whenever it serves their argument.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lebanon has no oil. Lebanon imprts most of its food and most of its technology. Realy what does Lebanon have to sell? Tourism? Lebanon will pay the highest price in the world for oil, the highest price for food, the highest price for inported technology. What did the Hizb. contribute to the conomic future of Lebanon? The other day a person was telling you on this blog that his computer was made not in USA or Europe but in Asia, yes it has INTEL parts which were made in Israel and Israel is in Asia. Look at the economy of Jordan and Leb. in 1970 and now and cry. The people of Leb. were and are no less than any body in Israel and Jordan, probably better. It is the time for Lebanon to declare, like Switzerland, total nutrality in this nightmare world of Iran versus the USA and stop fighting the wars of others. What good have ever come to Lebanon or the Arab people from forcing Lebanon to play this game that is far above its capabilities?
Could not the people of Lebanon unite in this call?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lebanon has no oil. Lebanon imprts most of its food and most of its technology. Realy what does Lebanon have to sell? Tourism? Lebanon will pay the highest price in the world for oil, the highest price for food, the highest price for inported technology. What did the Hizb. contribute to the conomic future of Lebanon? The other day a person was telling you on this blog that his computer was made not in USA or Europe but in Asia, yes it has INTEL parts which were made in Israel and Israel is in Asia. Look at the economy of Jordan and Leb. in 1970 and now and cry. The people of Leb. were and are no less than any body in Israel and Jordan, probably better. It is the time for Lebanon to declare, like Switzerland, total nutrality in this nightmare world of Iran versus the USA and stop fighting the wars of others. What good have ever come to Lebanon or the Arab people from forcing Lebanon to play this game that is far above its capabilities?<br />
Could not the people of Lebanon unite in this call?</p>
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		<title>By: JAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran smart??? With eyes on the small Lebanese population and current conditions, perhaps.  One may suppose nothing more important to Lebanese than Lebanon, yet the population fails to act as a unified independent nation, repeatedly manages to destroy or bring about the destruction of all that leads to some semblance of economic independence and thereby make themselves beggars dependent on other nations. Projecting stupidity elsewhere is a Lebanese habit. Stupid is as stupid does. Dependence on other nations does not favor independence. Iranian benevolence for a limited few will eventually dry up, then what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran smart??? With eyes on the small Lebanese population and current conditions, perhaps.  One may suppose nothing more important to Lebanese than Lebanon, yet the population fails to act as a unified independent nation, repeatedly manages to destroy or bring about the destruction of all that leads to some semblance of economic independence and thereby make themselves beggars dependent on other nations. Projecting stupidity elsewhere is a Lebanese habit. Stupid is as stupid does. Dependence on other nations does not favor independence. Iranian benevolence for a limited few will eventually dry up, then what?</p>
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		<title>By: Snippet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snippet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think America is notoriously bad at this sort of game.

We&#039;re not very wily. We deal with the local dictator until he makes us regret it, and then we go ballistic and decide it&#039;s democracy time.

Sometimes it works beautifully.

Other times....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think America is notoriously bad at this sort of game.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not very wily. We deal with the local dictator until he makes us regret it, and then we go ballistic and decide it&#8217;s democracy time.</p>
<p>Sometimes it works beautifully.</p>
<p>Other times&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark-In-Chi-Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark-In-Chi-Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mustapha:

Prices can only go so high before alternatives to oil become economically attractive on a commercial scale.  Canada is already experiencing an &quot;oil sands&quot; boom. See http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9231894 .  This because there is a perception that long term price over time will remain high enough (above $40 per barrel) to make the expensive process of mining and refining it profitable.  The U.S. is likely to follow suit with oil shale projects, if prices remain elevated for an extended period.  

From an economic perspective, oil producing countries best strategy is to keep average oil prices over time just below the level at which oil sands (about $45 dolars per barrel) and oil shale (about $60-70 per barrel) become commercially viable.  This is because the U.S. and Canadian reserves of those hydrocarbon sources are massive, that is, they vastly exceed the oil reserves of the middle east countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mustapha:</p>
<p>Prices can only go so high before alternatives to oil become economically attractive on a commercial scale.  Canada is already experiencing an &#8220;oil sands&#8221; boom. See <a href="http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9231894" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9231894</a> .  This because there is a perception that long term price over time will remain high enough (above $40 per barrel) to make the expensive process of mining and refining it profitable.  The U.S. is likely to follow suit with oil shale projects, if prices remain elevated for an extended period.  </p>
<p>From an economic perspective, oil producing countries best strategy is to keep average oil prices over time just below the level at which oil sands (about $45 dolars per barrel) and oil shale (about $60-70 per barrel) become commercially viable.  This is because the U.S. and Canadian reserves of those hydrocarbon sources are massive, that is, they vastly exceed the oil reserves of the middle east countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Vilbel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad Vilbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno if I buy into the narrative of Mr. Friedman a whole lot these days.

While there are some valid points on the surface, about apparently advances by the Iranian axis, none of it has really amounted to much.

And one has to wonder, on the other hand, if America is so dumb, and the Iranians so damn smart, then howcome Arabs keep blaming everything on some omnipotent &quot;American project&quot; for the region.
I mean, those &quot;dumb Americans&quot; can barely tie their shoes, let alone put together some kind of masterplan for the region. With such stupidity, it&#039;s amazing Israel hasn&#039;t been wiped off the planet already, but these uber-smart Iranians, right?

(That was sarcasm btw)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno if I buy into the narrative of Mr. Friedman a whole lot these days.</p>
<p>While there are some valid points on the surface, about apparently advances by the Iranian axis, none of it has really amounted to much.</p>
<p>And one has to wonder, on the other hand, if America is so dumb, and the Iranians so damn smart, then howcome Arabs keep blaming everything on some omnipotent &#8220;American project&#8221; for the region.<br />
I mean, those &#8220;dumb Americans&#8221; can barely tie their shoes, let alone put together some kind of masterplan for the region. With such stupidity, it&#8217;s amazing Israel hasn&#8217;t been wiped off the planet already, but these uber-smart Iranians, right?</p>
<p>(That was sarcasm btw)</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely US-centric thinking... but I think the objections have been covered so I won&#039;t add much. Just that America may not be ruthless, but they are certainly not weak. There is a difference.

Abdul, you must think the US is obsessed with Lebanon. Makes you feel important?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely US-centric thinking&#8230; but I think the objections have been covered so I won&#8217;t add much. Just that America may not be ruthless, but they are certainly not weak. There is a difference.</p>
<p>Abdul, you must think the US is obsessed with Lebanon. Makes you feel important?</p>
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		<title>By: Kolya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kolya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that the majority of the American people want to spend the minimum amount of blood and treasure dealing with the various pathologies of the middle east (at least the ones that are most threatening to our and our allies interests). Most Americans wish to avoid another war. Iran knows this so it will push harder figuring it can get away with more since the threshold for incuring any significant response is higher.

There is a value in letting Iran and it&#039;s allies overplay their hand. The rest of the world will be forced to choose which future looks more appealing to them. 

I wonder what kind of world Abdul and his buddies want to create - I think their self identity depends so much on conflict with others that their world would end up pretty radioactive - kind of like a global vitrification project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that the majority of the American people want to spend the minimum amount of blood and treasure dealing with the various pathologies of the middle east (at least the ones that are most threatening to our and our allies interests). Most Americans wish to avoid another war. Iran knows this so it will push harder figuring it can get away with more since the threshold for incuring any significant response is higher.</p>
<p>There is a value in letting Iran and it&#8217;s allies overplay their hand. The rest of the world will be forced to choose which future looks more appealing to them. </p>
<p>I wonder what kind of world Abdul and his buddies want to create &#8211; I think their self identity depends so much on conflict with others that their world would end up pretty radioactive &#8211; kind of like a global vitrification project.</p>
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		<title>By: A-Kara</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-Kara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected: he is describing &quot;Telematch.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected: he is describing &#8220;Telematch.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Amir in Tel Aviv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir in Tel Aviv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, the Arabs want Iran, and don&#039;t want Am&#039;rica.
Accept it Mus, you and your kind are an endangered species (unfortunately). 

The problem with you (your kind, I mean) is that you&#039;re not willing to fight for your beliefs. You are mentally weak, and you don&#039;t have a guiding leadership, and a source of inspiration.

Your opponents are ready to die for their cause. You are not ready.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, the Arabs want Iran, and don&#8217;t want Am&#8217;rica.<br />
Accept it Mus, you and your kind are an endangered species (unfortunately). </p>
<p>The problem with you (your kind, I mean) is that you&#8217;re not willing to fight for your beliefs. You are mentally weak, and you don&#8217;t have a guiding leadership, and a source of inspiration.</p>
<p>Your opponents are ready to die for their cause. You are not ready.<br />
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