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		<title>By: Moe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antoine,
it&#039;s all about demagogy. i don&#039;t know how you look like really, but you seem to be one of those &#039;manar-otv&#039; glued guys since most of your arguments merely represent 10% of the reality. let me clarify some things to you
 - 600 000 beiruti family holds a gun : i live in tareek el jdideh and i know what i&#039;m talking about, you can&#039;t convince me that i DO hold a riffle (or RPG) with a sustained firing capacity (say to keep up a front for a day, 500 bullets) without my knowledge. Even worse, don&#039;t tell me that the guys who &#039;guard&#039; our building with 3asayit ashata are the ones you say have RPGs. Do you know what&#039;s an RPG déjà? Seen it only once during the military service and i can assure you it&#039;s bloody scary, and handling it is not a piece of cake. bref.

 - FM (although i agree they do not represent me personally) was a relief of the beirutis in a moment of crisis. As i read on some blog of yours at a 400$ salary, FM was capable of creating an economical breathing for those jobless guys in our areas, most likely jobless cuz of 15 years of heavy Syrian economical drain, 3 years of opposition anti-democratic and blocking demands, and an unjustified war waged by HA while still on the negotiations table (tell me who are the liars please)

 - as i always say in my blogs, i personally hate very &#039;certain&#039; persons. You MAY have CONVICTIONS, but NEVER, EVER be CERTAIN of anything. Your speech is very &#039;CERTAIN&#039;, i can&#039;t but &#039;categorize&#039;(sorry) you as a demagogically controlled individual. Demagogy is a cancer that genetically hits the arab countries (that&#039;s why they always have totalitarian regimes ruling them).

 - what happened in the past few days proves one thing. A party has been preparing for this for a long time now. I feel, like Ms Khatib said on LBC, that i have been betrayed by my stupidity. Someone, somewhere took us for fools for 15 years, then that someone tought his successors how to take us as fools for 3 more years. It&#039;s ok, i think most Lebanese - 9 million abroad and shi 2 millions in Lebanon - got the message and see things more clearly and less naively now.

 - I think you still have 10% of reason in your sole. Please print the following argument, read it, breath, THINK, re-read it, breath, ...

    Israeli got 2 soldiers captured, they felt oppressed, they retaliated. Someone somewhere managed to demagogically turn the retaliation as a violation (?!) and turned 1000 civilian casualities, 15 billion dollars of infrastructure and income loss into a victory. Let&#039;s assume this is true (facing demagogy, there is no remedy man sorry), tayibe. Now look at this from the other side. ASSUME we kidnapped (actually moved) one Officier from the LEBANESE ARMY Institution, investigated into the communication network and all the fuss that was used to wage your rebellion. You retaliated, with lots of agressivity, the same one used by israelis back in 2006. In one case you were the &#039;agressed&#039;(duuh) and in another case you were the oppressor. Even the most Hypnosed person out there should see a contradiction. If support the oppressed and the oppressed in both situations, there is a bug somewhere in you and you personally need an Alt-Control-Delete.

why the hell am i trying to convince people, khalas lost is lost. let&#039;s find a way to live with this. but remember one thing Antoine, Lebanon is based on diversity and democracy is always the word of 50+1 over the others, you should at least accept this.
The options you&#039;re suggesting will isolate lebanon from its surrounding, from the Petro$ and from its expatriates who will -sorry- be disgusted to return to lebanon if they no longer recognize it. Syria is merely concerned about the FPM because it&#039;s bringing a 49.9999 50.0001 balance into the equation, thus helping IT avoid the international tribual. They&#039;re not bringing in a cent into lebanon. Iran is concerned about its nuclear program and see the &#039;yom el kiyemeh&#039; as an eventuality near the end of the mandate of najad. what they&#039;re paying on HA and its infrastructure (real $) come directly out from its Defense Ministry&#039;s Budget. These are not people we can count on in building our country.

You may disagree with LF&#039;s approach for historical reasons, but hey! i managed to forget about all that even though sabra&amp;shatila took place 1 km away from my house and I escaped 3 150mm of kasf 3ashwe2eh back when they were holding the &#039;cancellation war&#039; with the Lebanese Army.

I also forgot about Berri&#039;s amal movement who did all the atrocities to tarik el jdideh in the late 80s.
Most people don&#039;t want to hear about this, and using these things as arguments can be seen as desperate attempts to attack your political opponent.

Aoun before 2003 (3 not 5) is not the Aoun we know right now. I hope that most average Aounists do not agree with what happened in the last few days.

Take care man, Panadol won&#039;t do it if you keep biased, use the remote control and move on to something other than OTV or Manar, or even better control Tab in your browser and point to other blogs.

regards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antoine,<br />
it&#8217;s all about demagogy. i don&#8217;t know how you look like really, but you seem to be one of those &#8216;manar-otv&#8217; glued guys since most of your arguments merely represent 10% of the reality. let me clarify some things to you<br />
 &#8211; 600 000 beiruti family holds a gun : i live in tareek el jdideh and i know what i&#8217;m talking about, you can&#8217;t convince me that i DO hold a riffle (or RPG) with a sustained firing capacity (say to keep up a front for a day, 500 bullets) without my knowledge. Even worse, don&#8217;t tell me that the guys who &#8216;guard&#8217; our building with 3asayit ashata are the ones you say have RPGs. Do you know what&#8217;s an RPG déjà? Seen it only once during the military service and i can assure you it&#8217;s bloody scary, and handling it is not a piece of cake. bref.</p>
<p> &#8211; FM (although i agree they do not represent me personally) was a relief of the beirutis in a moment of crisis. As i read on some blog of yours at a 400$ salary, FM was capable of creating an economical breathing for those jobless guys in our areas, most likely jobless cuz of 15 years of heavy Syrian economical drain, 3 years of opposition anti-democratic and blocking demands, and an unjustified war waged by HA while still on the negotiations table (tell me who are the liars please)</p>
<p> &#8211; as i always say in my blogs, i personally hate very &#8216;certain&#8217; persons. You MAY have CONVICTIONS, but NEVER, EVER be CERTAIN of anything. Your speech is very &#8216;CERTAIN&#8217;, i can&#8217;t but &#8216;categorize&#8217;(sorry) you as a demagogically controlled individual. Demagogy is a cancer that genetically hits the arab countries (that&#8217;s why they always have totalitarian regimes ruling them).</p>
<p> &#8211; what happened in the past few days proves one thing. A party has been preparing for this for a long time now. I feel, like Ms Khatib said on LBC, that i have been betrayed by my stupidity. Someone, somewhere took us for fools for 15 years, then that someone tought his successors how to take us as fools for 3 more years. It&#8217;s ok, i think most Lebanese &#8211; 9 million abroad and shi 2 millions in Lebanon &#8211; got the message and see things more clearly and less naively now.</p>
<p> &#8211; I think you still have 10% of reason in your sole. Please print the following argument, read it, breath, THINK, re-read it, breath, &#8230;</p>
<p>    Israeli got 2 soldiers captured, they felt oppressed, they retaliated. Someone somewhere managed to demagogically turn the retaliation as a violation (?!) and turned 1000 civilian casualities, 15 billion dollars of infrastructure and income loss into a victory. Let&#8217;s assume this is true (facing demagogy, there is no remedy man sorry), tayibe. Now look at this from the other side. ASSUME we kidnapped (actually moved) one Officier from the LEBANESE ARMY Institution, investigated into the communication network and all the fuss that was used to wage your rebellion. You retaliated, with lots of agressivity, the same one used by israelis back in 2006. In one case you were the &#8216;agressed&#8217;(duuh) and in another case you were the oppressor. Even the most Hypnosed person out there should see a contradiction. If support the oppressed and the oppressed in both situations, there is a bug somewhere in you and you personally need an Alt-Control-Delete.</p>
<p>why the hell am i trying to convince people, khalas lost is lost. let&#8217;s find a way to live with this. but remember one thing Antoine, Lebanon is based on diversity and democracy is always the word of 50+1 over the others, you should at least accept this.<br />
The options you&#8217;re suggesting will isolate lebanon from its surrounding, from the Petro$ and from its expatriates who will -sorry- be disgusted to return to lebanon if they no longer recognize it. Syria is merely concerned about the FPM because it&#8217;s bringing a 49.9999 50.0001 balance into the equation, thus helping IT avoid the international tribual. They&#8217;re not bringing in a cent into lebanon. Iran is concerned about its nuclear program and see the &#8216;yom el kiyemeh&#8217; as an eventuality near the end of the mandate of najad. what they&#8217;re paying on HA and its infrastructure (real $) come directly out from its Defense Ministry&#8217;s Budget. These are not people we can count on in building our country.</p>
<p>You may disagree with LF&#8217;s approach for historical reasons, but hey! i managed to forget about all that even though sabra&amp;shatila took place 1 km away from my house and I escaped 3 150mm of kasf 3ashwe2eh back when they were holding the &#8216;cancellation war&#8217; with the Lebanese Army.</p>
<p>I also forgot about Berri&#8217;s amal movement who did all the atrocities to tarik el jdideh in the late 80s.<br />
Most people don&#8217;t want to hear about this, and using these things as arguments can be seen as desperate attempts to attack your political opponent.</p>
<p>Aoun before 2003 (3 not 5) is not the Aoun we know right now. I hope that most average Aounists do not agree with what happened in the last few days.</p>
<p>Take care man, Panadol won&#8217;t do it if you keep biased, use the remote control and move on to something other than OTV or Manar, or even better control Tab in your browser and point to other blogs.</p>
<p>regards!</p>
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		<title>By: Aontoine HIndi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aontoine HIndi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Anonymous, I don&#039;t want to see a Hizballah armed in the future, the trouble is I don&#039;t want a PSP or any other group armed either. For so long you guys have been at Hizballah labelling them a militia(rightfully so), but failing to acknowledge that the 14th March are simply a bunch of militia&#039;s too!!. This government in the Bayen Wizari actually makes Hizballah&#039;s arms legal, but no where does it mention the machine guns, rpg&#039;s, artillery,canon etc of the PSP.  Let&#039;s build a true state -- 14th March is not that state, but rather a gathering of militia&#039;s claiming legitimacy, porforming pathitically and trampling on the rights of half of Lebanon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Anonymous, I don&#8217;t want to see a Hizballah armed in the future, the trouble is I don&#8217;t want a PSP or any other group armed either. For so long you guys have been at Hizballah labelling them a militia(rightfully so), but failing to acknowledge that the 14th March are simply a bunch of militia&#8217;s too!!. This government in the Bayen Wizari actually makes Hizballah&#8217;s arms legal, but no where does it mention the machine guns, rpg&#8217;s, artillery,canon etc of the PSP.  Let&#8217;s build a true state &#8212; 14th March is not that state, but rather a gathering of militia&#8217;s claiming legitimacy, porforming pathitically and trampling on the rights of half of Lebanon.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antoine,
Since it appears that my previous post was not allowed due to its colorful language, I will keep it clean.  As someone else pointed out on this blog, HA CAME TO ALEY FIRST.  How would you react if HA came to your hometown and tried to invade it?  You expect the people of the Chouf to be cowards and allow these murdering, armed bullies shoot at them, kill their families, and burn their homes?  I hope to God that HA comes to your hometown soon, Antoine... let&#039;s see how you feel when they direct - and shoot - their weapons at your family, your homes, and march arrogantly down your streets...while the &#039;unbiased&#039; army watches.  What would you do then? Did the Chouf people come down to Sour?...and if they were to do that, wouldn&#039;t you expect HA to defend themselves?  As Lebanese, we should be running to the aid of our Druze and Sunni brothers during this invasion, just as we would if the Druze were attacking HA in their homes.  HA will attack the Maronites soon and don&#039;t expect us to take it lying down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antoine,<br />
Since it appears that my previous post was not allowed due to its colorful language, I will keep it clean.  As someone else pointed out on this blog, HA CAME TO ALEY FIRST.  How would you react if HA came to your hometown and tried to invade it?  You expect the people of the Chouf to be cowards and allow these murdering, armed bullies shoot at them, kill their families, and burn their homes?  I hope to God that HA comes to your hometown soon, Antoine&#8230; let&#8217;s see how you feel when they direct &#8211; and shoot &#8211; their weapons at your family, your homes, and march arrogantly down your streets&#8230;while the &#8216;unbiased&#8217; army watches.  What would you do then? Did the Chouf people come down to Sour?&#8230;and if they were to do that, wouldn&#8217;t you expect HA to defend themselves?  As Lebanese, we should be running to the aid of our Druze and Sunni brothers during this invasion, just as we would if the Druze were attacking HA in their homes.  HA will attack the Maronites soon and don&#8217;t expect us to take it lying down.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 03:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antoine,

As someone already posted here, HA CAME TO ALEY FIRST.  If the had come to your home to attack you, would you let them kill your family and take over your home?  What is happening in the Chouf is an invasion of the Druze people&#039;s homes and you make excuses for HA.  They are murdering, armed robbers...and you are an accomplice, you son of a bitch coward.  I hope to God that they come and bomb your fucking hometown and kill your fucking family.  Let&#039;s see how you will react, you piece of shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antoine,</p>
<p>As someone already posted here, HA CAME TO ALEY FIRST.  If the had come to your home to attack you, would you let them kill your family and take over your home?  What is happening in the Chouf is an invasion of the Druze people&#8217;s homes and you make excuses for HA.  They are murdering, armed robbers&#8230;and you are an accomplice, you son of a bitch coward.  I hope to God that they come and bomb your fucking hometown and kill your fucking family.  Let&#8217;s see how you will react, you piece of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/05/11/the-fpms-point-of-view/#comment-11342</link>
		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam .... the whole &quot;trap&quot; thing is that most all the Mid East analysts have been saying for a while now that which ever side started the conflict was going to be the &quot;loser&quot; because the people of Lebanon do NOT want another war and support would go to the other side.   It was a giant game of &quot;blink&quot; ..... Nasrallah lost - and showed his true face.  The HA &amp; FPMers  on their forum are now saying that Aoun was not just a supporter but a planner in the whole action.  I don&#039;t think any of them thought that Nasrallah would go after the Sunni so openly and taking out media that does not support the opposition has shocked even a few of the Orangettes ... although not the hard core.  They think suppression of the press is just hunky dory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam &#8230;. the whole &#8220;trap&#8221; thing is that most all the Mid East analysts have been saying for a while now that which ever side started the conflict was going to be the &#8220;loser&#8221; because the people of Lebanon do NOT want another war and support would go to the other side.   It was a giant game of &#8220;blink&#8221; &#8230;.. Nasrallah lost &#8211; and showed his true face.  The HA &amp; FPMers  on their forum are now saying that Aoun was not just a supporter but a planner in the whole action.  I don&#8217;t think any of them thought that Nasrallah would go after the Sunni so openly and taking out media that does not support the opposition has shocked even a few of the Orangettes &#8230; although not the hard core.  They think suppression of the press is just hunky dory.</p>
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		<title>By: beiruti ussly</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/05/11/the-fpms-point-of-view/#comment-11341</link>
		<dc:creator>beiruti ussly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 01:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They will be seen as savages because that is their true nature. Finally revealed. Wake up Lebanon and smell the coffee.</description>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/05/11/the-fpms-point-of-view/#comment-11340</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ive been hearing this a bit , that this was some sort of trap that the government planned ,,, dunno if that makes much sense,

think about it, with elections inevitable and in less than a years time, hizbullah and their allies image has been wrecked..

by labelling the HA cablenetwork illegal, the govn had pressed the right button, and hizbullah fell into the trap . yes , things have gotten out of hand, and No side wanted this, not even the opposition, but in the end, HIzbullahs credibility has been lost, and they will now, more than ever, be seen as savages,,,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ive been hearing this a bit , that this was some sort of trap that the government planned ,,, dunno if that makes much sense,</p>
<p>think about it, with elections inevitable and in less than a years time, hizbullah and their allies image has been wrecked..</p>
<p>by labelling the HA cablenetwork illegal, the govn had pressed the right button, and hizbullah fell into the trap . yes , things have gotten out of hand, and No side wanted this, not even the opposition, but in the end, HIzbullahs credibility has been lost, and they will now, more than ever, be seen as savages,,,</p>
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		<title>By: beiruti ussly</title>
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		<dc:creator>beiruti ussly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antoine Hindi,

It appears from your comment that you believe that ” might is right”. The rule of the jungle prevails. That is precisely what is wrong with HA and the its oppressive bosses of the Syrian and Iranian regimes. If you aspire to live in a police state like Syria or Iran, then what is going on in Lebanon should please you. A Lebanon dominated by HA will be even worse to live in, than Syria or Iran. Good luck with your brainless aspirations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antoine Hindi,</p>
<p>It appears from your comment that you believe that ” might is right”. The rule of the jungle prevails. That is precisely what is wrong with HA and the its oppressive bosses of the Syrian and Iranian regimes. If you aspire to live in a police state like Syria or Iran, then what is going on in Lebanon should please you. A Lebanon dominated by HA will be even worse to live in, than Syria or Iran. Good luck with your brainless aspirations.</p>
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		<title>By: Darko</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 20:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atrocities are being committed by both sides, and the FM cant claim that they dont have weapons, because they do and its not a couple of privatly owned ak47, they have all kind of weaponary and they used it in akkar.
read this
http://darkoysm.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/is-it-lebanon-or-rwanda-details-of-the-halba-massacre/
 and the articles that follow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atrocities are being committed by both sides, and the FM cant claim that they dont have weapons, because they do and its not a couple of privatly owned ak47, they have all kind of weaponary and they used it in akkar.<br />
read this<br />
<a href="http://darkoysm.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/is-it-lebanon-or-rwanda-details-of-the-halba-massacre/" rel="nofollow">http://darkoysm.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/is-it-lebanon-or-rwanda-details-of-the-halba-massacre/</a><br />
 and the articles that follow</p>
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		<title>By: theCourtFool</title>
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		<dc:creator>theCourtFool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Koullounaaaa... lil watan...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt; la la laaa la la laaa&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Koullounaaaa&#8230; lil watan&#8230;</b><i> la la laaa la la laaa</i></p>
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