Comments on: The Destroyers Are Coming http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/ Blogging Lebanese politics, business and society since 2005 Wed, 23 May 2012 14:09:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Stupid_American http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10496 Stupid_American Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:14:48 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10496 Craig, You are such an idiot. Folks here are crying to get out of Iraq and you are still talking war. Hey the Marijuana smoke has cleared, only a hang-over from the war party is left. But you are such a moron still high and buzzed thinking the US will go to war anywhere. Did you see what the economy is doing lately bozo, or where the deficit is? Craig, You are such an idiot. Folks here are crying to get out of Iraq and you are still talking war. Hey the Marijuana smoke has cleared, only a hang-over from the war party is left. But you are such a moron still high and buzzed thinking the US will go to war anywhere. Did you see what the economy is doing lately bozo, or where the deficit is?

]]> By: ali http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10495 ali Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:58:06 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10495 the region with the most unpaid electricity is northern lebanon. quit bandying around these urban legends. the region with the most unpaid electricity is northern lebanon. quit bandying around these urban legends.

]]> By: Craig http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10494 Craig Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:49:02 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10494 <i>There is nothing more painful than a perpetual civil war. Honestly how do you suggest eliminating a cause for a people by force instead of by conviction ?</i> I wasn't really talking about a Civil War, Blastercbi. I would object to the US (or any other outside power) getting involved in a Civil War in Lebanon. It wouldn't really be a civil war, then. But Civil Wars historically DO end. The situation in Lebanon is an historical anomaly. I don't know what the answer to that is. What I was talking about is the restraint being shown by western powers. Hezbollah seems to think the west is afraid to intervene in Lebanon - afraid of HA. I don't believe that's the case at all. I believe the west (the US in particular) would relish a chance to go balls to the wall against Hezbollah. I think the only thing stopping it is fear of the consequences for the rest of Lebanon. A lot of people still have some hope that Lebanon can emerge a prosperous democracy at some point in the future. There is nothing more painful than a perpetual civil war. Honestly how do you suggest eliminating a cause for a people by force instead of by conviction ?

I wasn’t really talking about a Civil War, Blastercbi. I would object to the US (or any other outside power) getting involved in a Civil War in Lebanon. It wouldn’t really be a civil war, then. But Civil Wars historically DO end. The situation in Lebanon is an historical anomaly. I don’t know what the answer to that is.

What I was talking about is the restraint being shown by western powers. Hezbollah seems to think the west is afraid to intervene in Lebanon – afraid of HA. I don’t believe that’s the case at all. I believe the west (the US in particular) would relish a chance to go balls to the wall against Hezbollah. I think the only thing stopping it is fear of the consequences for the rest of Lebanon. A lot of people still have some hope that Lebanon can emerge a prosperous democracy at some point in the future.

]]> By: Blastercbi http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10493 Blastercbi Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:09:35 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10493 Happy Arab: "Maybe in the past the Shiites were treated like second class citizens. But today they are asking to be treated above and beyond first class. They don’t want to pay any electricity bills and they want electricity 24 hours 7 days a week." That's my point. Today they are treated better than before because of Hizbollah. Without guaranteeing their status in some form of constitutional change or amendment they are afraid that once Hizbollah is gone, it's back to the good old days. So understanding what they really are afraid of is the key. Craig: "I thought Hezbollah already destroyed Lebanon a long time ago? What harm could a little more destruction do, if some good comes from it… like the elimination of Hezbollah? Isn’t that was Hezbollah deserves? As a Hezbollah supporter..." The destruction that could happen to Lebanon is nothing compared to what already happened. What do you mean by elimination of Hizbollah ? There is nothing more painful than a perpetual civil war. Honestly how do you suggest eliminating a cause for a people by force instead of by conviction ? Why are you assuming that I am a Hezbollah supporter! Is it just because I am trying to understand and elaborate their point of view ? The real problem in Lebanon is that each Lebanese has a different identity of Lebanon. And unless they all sit down and openly try to define and agree on what Lebanon is or should be, Lebanon will always be a place that could easily be interfered with by outside players. Happy Arab:
“Maybe in the past the Shiites were treated like second class citizens. But today they are asking to be treated above and beyond first class. They don’t want to pay any electricity bills and they want electricity 24 hours 7 days a week.”

That’s my point. Today they are treated better than before because of Hizbollah. Without guaranteeing their status in some form of constitutional change or amendment they are afraid that once Hizbollah is gone, it’s back to the good old days. So understanding what they really are afraid of is the key.

Craig:
“I thought Hezbollah already destroyed Lebanon a long time ago? What harm could a little more destruction do, if some good comes from it… like the elimination of Hezbollah? Isn’t that was Hezbollah deserves? As a Hezbollah supporter…”

The destruction that could happen to Lebanon is nothing compared to what already happened. What do you mean by elimination of Hizbollah ? There is nothing more painful than a perpetual civil war. Honestly how do you suggest eliminating a cause for a people by force instead of by conviction ?
Why are you assuming that I am a Hezbollah supporter! Is it just because I am trying to understand and elaborate their point of view ?

The real problem in Lebanon is that each Lebanese has a different identity of Lebanon. And unless they all sit down and openly try to define and agree on what Lebanon is or should be, Lebanon will always be a place that could easily be interfered with by outside players.

]]> By: Craig http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10492 Craig Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:48:32 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10492 <i>Nobody can destroy Hizbollah without destoying Lebanon.</i> I thought Hezbollah already destroyed Lebanon a long time ago? What harm could a little more destruction do, if some good comes from it... like the elimination of Hezbollah? Isn't that was Hezbollah deserves? As a Hezbollah supporter, you should be happy that the rest of the world wants to give the rest of Lebanon (the non-HA part) another chance. Because that is ALL that is saving your ass, right now. Those lies you tell yourself about people being afraid of Hezbollah's "arms" are just that - lies. The Israelis have to be careful, because they have to be your neighbors for the forseeable future. Most of the rest of teh world doesn't have any such concern, and Hezbollah really is a very small (but yappy) dog, in the big picture. Nobody can destroy Hizbollah without destoying Lebanon.

I thought Hezbollah already destroyed Lebanon a long time ago? What harm could a little more destruction do, if some good comes from it… like the elimination of Hezbollah? Isn’t that was Hezbollah deserves?

As a Hezbollah supporter, you should be happy that the rest of the world wants to give the rest of Lebanon (the non-HA part) another chance. Because that is ALL that is saving your ass, right now. Those lies you tell yourself about people being afraid of Hezbollah’s “arms” are just that – lies. The Israelis have to be careful, because they have to be your neighbors for the forseeable future. Most of the rest of teh world doesn’t have any such concern, and Hezbollah really is a very small (but yappy) dog, in the big picture.

]]> By: handala http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10491 handala Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:01:30 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10491 Ya mustapha, Allah yo7shrak ma3 George W. Bush, and with the gunners of the american warships. Ya mustapha, Allah yo7shrak ma3 George W. Bush, and with the gunners of the american warships.

]]> By: Happy Arab http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10490 Happy Arab Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:00:41 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10490 Maybe in the past the Shiites were treated like second class citizens. But today they are asking to be treated above and beyond first class. They don't want to pay any electricity bills and they want electricity 24 hours 7 days a week. They don't want to disarm and they want to occupy the center of Beirut, just for fun... Maybe it's time they consider moving down to first class. Maybe in the past the Shiites were treated like second class citizens. But today they are asking to be treated above and beyond first class. They don’t want to pay any electricity bills and they want electricity 24 hours 7 days a week. They don’t want to disarm and they want to occupy the center of Beirut, just for fun…
Maybe it’s time they consider moving down to first class.

]]> By: Blastercbi http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10489 Blastercbi Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:19:27 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10489 Nobody can destroy Hizbollah without destoying Lebanon. Hizbollah is more than a party, it is a population. Bringing US warships here will make Hizbollah stronger (its strength is propotional to the resolve of its supporters not to how much its member are being paid). The Shiites (including poor and uneducated) of Lebanon have to be accomodated by their Government (not by Hizbollah) and assured that they will no longer be treated as second class citizens which was historically the case. Only then will Hizbollah be a redundant entity. Any sane person will know that a US warship will not scare Hizbollah but give them more Arab support (by Arab I don't mean Arab governments). The sooner Lebanese realize this the less pain they have to go through. Nobody can destroy Hizbollah without destoying Lebanon. Hizbollah is more than a party, it is a population. Bringing US warships here will make Hizbollah stronger (its strength is propotional to the resolve of its supporters not to how much its member are being paid). The Shiites (including poor and uneducated) of Lebanon have to be accomodated by their Government (not by Hizbollah) and assured that they will no longer be treated as second class citizens which was historically the case. Only then will Hizbollah be a redundant entity. Any sane person will know that a US warship will not scare Hizbollah but give them more Arab support (by Arab I don’t mean Arab governments). The sooner Lebanese realize this the less pain they have to go through.

]]> By: karlos http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10488 karlos Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:08:56 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10488 The US warships are messages of peace, understanding and reconciliation. Anyone who think that they intend to destroy anything is just delusional. They will be shooting flowers into Lebanon and occasionally, pots of honey. Do not fear the US "Destroyers", they will never use their weapons against Lebanese. Never have. Never will. The US warships are messages of peace, understanding and reconciliation. Anyone who think that they intend to destroy anything is just delusional. They will be shooting flowers into Lebanon and occasionally, pots of honey.

Do not fear the US “Destroyers”, they will never use their weapons against Lebanese. Never have. Never will.

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Lebanon: USS Cole in the Neighborhood http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10487 Global Voices Online » Lebanon: USS Cole in the Neighborhood Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:37:51 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/02/29/the-destroyers-are-coming/#comment-10487 [...] Beirut Spring, on the other hand, sees that the presence of the warship may create a balance between the two conflicting sides in the Lebanese political arena, which may then lead, in the end, to resolving the current deadlock: But who said anything about the US warships invading or bombing Lebanon? The USS Cole and the other ships coming soon to our neighborhood are just going to hang around. In fact, they’ll be so far we won’t be able to see them. But that doesn’t mean they won’t make a difference. Lebanon is divided into two, roughly equal groups that are struggling for power. One is backed by Iran and Syria and the other is backed by the west and the rest of the Arab world. Hezbollah had an advantage: It possesses an Iranian arsenal that it’s using for leverage in internal politics. The pro-westerns were being outgunned, and their American allies have decided to fix the situation by lending them some deterrence of their own. […] [...] [...] Beirut Spring, on the other hand, sees that the presence of the warship may create a balance between the two conflicting sides in the Lebanese political arena, which may then lead, in the end, to resolving the current deadlock: But who said anything about the US warships invading or bombing Lebanon? The USS Cole and the other ships coming soon to our neighborhood are just going to hang around. In fact, they’ll be so far we won’t be able to see them. But that doesn’t mean they won’t make a difference. Lebanon is divided into two, roughly equal groups that are struggling for power. One is backed by Iran and Syria and the other is backed by the west and the rest of the Arab world. Hezbollah had an advantage: It possesses an Iranian arsenal that it’s using for leverage in internal politics. The pro-westerns were being outgunned, and their American allies have decided to fix the situation by lending them some deterrence of their own. […] [...]

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