Maybe they have “true partnership” (on their terms).

Did you see that f$#ing unspeakable moron Saniora’s interview today?

They want him out of office, they are trying to f$#ing kill him, and they took all his gvmnt’s prerogatives.

Yet, he is STILL defending Nasrallah by saying his “open war” comments were misinterpreted. And Saniora, of course, deplores the death of Mughniyeh and war is a bad idea cuz, you guessed it: it’s bad for the Arabs and Hezbo (Lebanon is a mere afterthought).

“True partnership” indeed, albeit one sided thanks to Saniora.

Why should anyone care that his mofo stay in office one more f$#ing day? The constitution? Vacuum? Don’t make me laugh, the vacuum is inside Saniora’s head and inside his supporters’.

Should read “this mofo” (not “his mofo”).

Also to quote Putin (on Hillary): “At a minimum a head of state should have a head”

A few observations:

- It seems that Nass has finally shown the true colors of the Hezbos. He represents a group doing the bidding of 2 foreign entities - the interests of Lebanon are not of interest for him (or them), nor have they ever been. The continuation of this state within a state will eventually destroy Lebanon if nothing is done.

- I understand that Mr. Hezbo delivered his fire and brimstone message to the true believers by video messaging. If I were a footsoldier, and my leader was giving me a pep talk on going to war, I’d kind of feel queasy that he didn’t have the balls to show up and deliver it personally.

- It’s possible that Nass might be feeling a bit on edge now seeing that the Syrian security apparatus has shown some cracks. They didn’t look too good on that Israeli air raid a few months ago either. His ass could be on the line now.

A lot of faith in the future of the country rests on the professionalism of the army in keeping the country safe. I sure hope they are up to it.

To put this in sinmple terms:

This opposition are still Lebanese? So why can’t they have the freedom to want Iran instead of the west? Why is it that I get to like the west but they cannot like Iran?? who gave me more rights then them?

Let’s be fair please.

“Report: 50,000 Hezbollah men deploy along border with Israel”
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/954644.html

Where is UNIFIL and the Lebanese government when you need them?

M14’s ironic response should be to demand a veto power on hassy’s open war… Seriously though, why has Sanioura softened the tone on this issue is beyond any logic or heck even political strategy. This should’ve been exploited to the max by the gvt and M14 to further discredit and show the true colors of hizz. This is the perfect example that hizz is not a lebanese resistance as they claim, but a global terror group. If one is to ever hope to lure a few “stray” M8ers specially the pro orangy ones, there has to be more emphasis put on this dangerous move by hassy and further isolate aoun and bring his plummetting popularity further to the ground.

@Dania, you are right stating that the government and M14s should do more and showing the real face of Hezbollah.

But when reading stories as these:
http://dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=89021
I have hardly any hope lebanon will overcome this problematic situation.

It looks like it - again - that Hezbollah is hijacking Lebanon for its own sake.

Suzanne, I don’t see how Syria and Iran can even continue pretending they aren’t sponsors of international terrorism, after they’ve made the assassination of Mughniyah such an important matter of state.

Where is the UN on this? This is an open admission of guilt. A confession.

Took you guys this long to figure out Hizb was never into “partnership” on anything?

Someone please inform Saniora though. He’s still talking about “dialogue with Hizb” and “sisterly Syria” in his interview. Seriously, that guy is the dumbest politician we’ve ever had (and that’s saying something!).

BV,
Don’t underestimate Siniora. I read his interview and it’s very wise and careful. Read between the lines; Siniora is not an idiot, nor is he naive.
While holding whole of the powers in his hands, he offers them lubricated words. Words are for free.
And yes. Syria is your older sister, whether you like it or not.
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Amir… it’s like the good ol’saying: you can choose friends, not family.

On the saniora thing, I wouldn’t mind his sugar coated words if he had been doing what he has to do in the background, but so far….

Whatever,
to be fair, perfectly fair, you’re a complete idiot.
You love Iran, love Iran! you have the right to love whoever you want, but don’t put Iran ahead of Lebanon’s interest if you say you are Lebanese.
If you are attracted to the liberal and freedom loving society model of Iran, great for you, but do not kill your Lebanese brother who wants the Syrians occupying army out of their borders for good, or who are seeking to live in peace with both their neighbours, just because Iran said so.
You want to be fair, here’s your answer!
Unless you have a different definition of fairness, like Hassouna your semi-god, I love Iran and Syria, but no Lebanese have the right to love the West!!!
Fair ‘al!!!

Whatever is an idiot.

Typical idiotic strawman argument. He turns the argument into something it’s not. No one forbade him from loving Iran. No one forbade him from loving Syria. Yet, his types forbid anyone from loving Israel or the US (under threat of execution). See the hypocrisy there?

And of course, he can love whoever he wants as long as he doesn’t break the law, run against his own state instutions, and start his own armed militia. There’s a big difference between wanting to “love” someone, and actually breaking the law, starting wars, and getting people killed.

Freedom of speech, worship, etc. (notions that idiots like Whatever would do well to read about) are protected in places like the USA, AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT IMPEDE SOMEONE ELSE’S FREEDOM.
People like Whatever prove by their acts that they don’t even respect our freedom of speech (they accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with them of being Israeli agents, remember?), then they turn it around and accuse us of being against freedom of choice? Hah!

Seriously, I have yet to meet one of these idiots who’s not a resounding hypocrite. The hypocrisy is in everything they write in these comments. Not a single rational, thought-out, argument. Nothing but slogans, accusations that are never backed up with any facts, and a complete refusal to look at their own actions.

Whatever???….

Can you think on your own or do you and yours’ brains are operated on a pre programmed dimwit card??

I can not add to the eloquent answer that BV has…That is if you can cmprehend it!!

partnership as defined by HA is nothing but an empty slogan to cover their TERROR!!

After all these years the “Veil” or the “chador” has dropped completly. As AK has said so perfectly on his blog…”Nasrallah, keep barking”

No one forbade you from loving Israel nor the US, as your action already speaks loud. I am just saying that they have the right to love and want Iran to be Lebanon’s Mom and not USA and Israel. You are the ones forcing US and Israel down their throats. They should have same freedom like you do to love another country, to be muslims and do it the way they wish to, and not the way I or you tell them to. Else it is not freedom.

Thanks for all the name calling, that shows your levels of intellect. You talk about freedom but cannot handle it when I talk and think freely. Who is the hypcrite here ???

BTW hypos, I am not a HA guy, nor am I a muslim; and Mr. Hassan N. is not my semi-god nor anything close to it. To me, him Hariri, Jumblat, Aoun, geagea, and the rest of terrorists in Lebanon are one and the same distance from me.

I am just fair to all. And you are not. that’s our diference hypos.

actually I take one thing I said back. Hariri is not a terrorsit yet but he is working on it.

Why not asking Hassouna to make the War in his Motherland Iran?! Why he chose Lebanon and acting on behalf Lebanese while his logistic, money and training is iranian.

To all the Persian-Safavid on earth: take all the HA supporters to Iran.
Lebanese offer you all of them with one way ticket!!!

I find Lebanese in general to be very ignorant.

I hope my statement unites all you ignorant folks out there in Lebanon. Maybe you will not follow your terrorist leaders and kill each other.

How about we give the 1/3 veto right to the opposition if Hezbollah starts disarming?

Watherve,
Don’t waist your time on them,they are a bunch of ignorants,that brag about the freedom of speach,democracy,and peace….but if you talk your free oppinion and have different point of view from them or critisize their masters,you become either syrian,or iranian,or hizbo,or orangette to them….they don’t believe in independant opinions then 14 or 8 march….
They talk about democracy and say the oppsition is holding the parlament captive,and occupiying the downtown,and dissabeling the goverment….and if you tell them that they dissabeled the constitutional court,and the president role in Lahoud era,and their masters are occupiying manny places from Koraytem,to big areas near their mps houses…..If someone from the opposition says lets amend the consititution to vote for this or that,they fall on him like mad dogs as a traitor but then they are allowed to talk about amending the constitution to vote for Soleiman……
If some opposzition supporters burn tires then we see them offeneded and treat them as thugs and crooks….but if their men began shooting bullets in tripoli and beyrouth,and cut the streets to dance with their dancing and cheering,and close the country for the memorial of hariri but not the other martyrs,then they are freedom seekers….
Lebanses are becoming more stupid narrow headed….all lebanses…..now you’re either sunni chia or maronite druze….14 or 8….that s sick….

ohhhhhhh and i forgot to add that if somoene rejoyced the death of

ohhhhhhh and i forgot to add that if somoene rejoyced the death of Walid Eido and calls him a crook and thieve and a bad guy then they call him amoral and inhuman for talking bad about the dead….but them they are free to rejoice to cheer and enjoy the death of mughanniyeh….

Ado go mourn in Karbala

Hehehe see what i mean,
Amer i don’t give two flying f**cks about Mughannieyh’s death ,neither to 3eido’s death….they both may rott in hell as far as i’m concerned….

Ado

Get a life man! Chill, find a girlfriend!

Whatever

If you think we are so ignorant, why are you waisting your time? Are you the Messiah?

“…I am just saying that they have the right to love and want Iran to be Lebanon’s Mom and not USA and Israel…”

Right on Mr. Whatever. Nobody can deny that Iran is a real Mother (f*****r)

About Nas threats, I think western and Israeli media do not understand Arab “leaders”.
Arab “leaders” tend to make hollow threats. This time Nas makes threats he can’t follow since any action on his part will be a devastating boomerang for him.
He made this threat hoping to deter, he can’t launch a war.

Whatever and Ado, what a couple!!!
reading you guys is just like reading the Book of Justice! Your words should not be on a green, white and orange blogg, but written and published in a holly book.
What a lesson you tought us!!!
I feel ashamed!
Ashamed of having eyes to read your stupidities. Teach yourselves the lessons you are preaching and then you will earn the respect that you are asking for. You come from a backgroung of anti-freedom (speech or other freedoms) you are supporting totalitarian regimes or authocracies against liberal societies. You are justifying hezbollahs love to Iran by saying that the counterpart loves the US, maybe you got it a little upside down in here, Iran has a militia in Lebanon that is deciding things solo regardless of the freedom of other lebanese to choose war or peace. When asked to share these decisions, comes the threat of turning these weapons on the inside. The US does not have any militia in lebanon and after 3 years of political support, not once did the pro-liberals threatened the pro-darkness forces with US backed military actions.
Stop playing the devils advocate, and most importantly stop writing beautiful superficial sentences like “they’re free to choose, or they have the right to …” Digg deeper, don’t be naive, the rules of freedom apply only to free men, not to people who publicaly sold themselves body and soul to a publicly anti-freedom regime.
Your arguments are nice and taken textually they make perfect sense but you definitly need some guidance on how to support your arguments with solid sub-arguments. And that my friend is freedom of speech.

Ado,
on death penalty kid:
Death penalty is a very controversial issue, but all the countries that apply it (besides the arabs and Iran)agree to sentence it to murderers and/or rapists.
For the crooks, thiefs and “bad guys” in general (yes, like Eido) you send them to jail for a maximum of a lifetime.
Now Imad your friend, murdered people, weither he’s a terrorist or not lets give it the benefit of the doubt (times of war, soldier…), but he sure killed people and many of them were not his main target unless his target was to kill civilians in general. This guy is a MURDERER, and when he is sentenced to death, he freekin deserves DEATH!!!
I would have cheared if Eido went to jail, he is surely as corrupt as all the others and they deserve a couple of years at least in a cell to think about what they did. But to chear for the death of Eido, his son, and a couple of random guys passing next to Eido’s car, I do not see any joyful occasion.
Unless i am so brainwashed by the arab-irani sense of justice. He’s gay, hang him publicly, she lost her virginity before marriage, cut her head, she’s not wearing the chador lapidate her, she got gang raped, throw her in a cell…
And that my friend is a quick lesson about death sentence.

HA militia in Lebanon is a reaction to Israel’s terrorism. I am not saying it is right or wrong but it had a cause.

Yes I said in general Lebanese are very ignorant not all. I am not wasting my time I am trying to open your blind eyes and having fun doing it :).

I am neither 8 nor 11. But I am fair to both and since you guys are the defenders of freedom then give the muslims the right to be what they want to be. Why cannot the palestinians vote for hammas? What happened when they did? That’s not freedom anymore? You are the hypocrites. Freedom is your cover, and you are the real totalitarians. At least HA and Iran are honest and they don’t use cover, so I have little more respect for them.

You are like bashar but just do it in cover of freedom. Look what happened in the USA to the people that dared have the freedom to oppose the war on Iraq? See what happened to that CIA woman and her husband. also check out what happened to Scott Ritter. Freedom my butt.

whatever(what a perfect afterthought)

you said:

‘I am neither 8 nor 11. But I am fair to both and since you guys are the defenders of freedom then give the muslims the right to be what they want to be”…

You are stupid and clueless idiot. I am not using these randomly. Of course you have the village joker Ado agreeing with his dimwitted comments…

Do you for one moment think March 14 is 100% or even half Christian?? As I said you are nothing but a moron. You want freedom a la Persian and Bashar then go there! As for Ritter and others, did anyone killl them or carbaomb them. On contraire my useful nitwit, Ritter made thousands of appearance fees by going on USA TV stations opposing the US assertioans of WMD…Wow what a convincing argument that you had made!!!

Get lost!! and pleaaaaaase…spare us your fairness!!

Those who come and support Hezbollah are always very careful to claim NOT to be a member or even a supporter.

It’s always so funny. The same with all of them. I think Hezbollah/Iran/Syria should do anything they want. If they want to declare war on Israel and the USA - do it.

Just do it from Syria or Iran and not from Lebanon. Lebanon has no interest in a perpetual war of annihilation - not against Israel and certainly not against the USA where many family members live. Lebanon also has no interest in a war they can’t start/stop/direct/control.

Have the war - do it from Syria. Hezbollah will force themselves from Lebanon with actions like this.

Hahaha, Khaliss hayda whatever!!!
What is he talking about???
Hizb reaction to Israeli terror?
You sure mean israeli unbalanced warfare, coz there is a difference, when your ennemy is stronger than you, you don’t call him terrorist, you just don’t fukin go to war against him!!!!
The ignorants lebanese you are talking about are so ignorants to follow idiots like nasrallah and aoun, and yes many m14 are ignorant too, but at least they are trying to get out of their ignorance while the idiots you are defending are promoting ignorance!
“Give the right to the muslims to be what tehy want to be????” they are who they want to be and they are suffering the consequences. You want to help Ben Laden, you will get your countries invaded. You want to vote for terrorist hammas, you are going to have economical sanctions… nobody told them not to vote for hammas, or not to help ben laden, their are consequences to every action.
Syria and Iran honnest ???? thats the best joke in a long long time!!! honnest about what, spreading terror first in their own societies and then exporting it to other countries? you respect them for that? great models!!!
And finaly, and to prove how unaware you are in what is happening in the world ans especially inside the borders of the chaytanou-l-akbar: the people who opposed the war on Iraq are being elected president, and the trial in the CIA agent was about to get vice-prez Cheney’s head. Go learn about democracy you pitiful looser, i’m surprised you can read and write.

This debate itself is pittyful. Hezbollah is run by thugs and is a state within a state, a terrorist organization, Lebanon’s worst nightmare, and doesn’t deserve a dialogue. They only understand the language of force and war.

They still should have the right and freedom to not like your masters USA and Israel.

Do you have the freedom to say anything about israel doing anythng wrong? You get labeled as anti-semite and perscuted for rest of your life in the great old USA. They are little more civilized then Bashar but only because they can be. Look what they did in Iraq? What do you call that war? Was that civilized or was it just like Bashar does? PULEEZE.

Terrorists begets terrorists and Israel was first terrorist on the block. And now you are their buddies.

You cannot stand my free thinking and you take cover under that freedom banner.

I told you ignorant people that I am not HA nor muslim nor do I care who and what religions makes up 14th alliance. I find you to be very ignorant.

Thanks for the name calling again it shows your level of intellect.

Ask your Siniora guy if he has a plan where I can donate my rusted Lebanese nationality. Because I would like to donate it to a poor palestinian boy in one of the camps around there.

You are totalitarian just like Bashar but he at least does not hide under the freedom banner.

At last stand I will be the only one with my hands free and clear from the BLOOD of OTHER LEBANESE. You all sure are marching toward killing each other and I want no part in that.

Krach, Then don’t call it freedom. Call it civilized terror.

hahaha .. HA run by thugs. Again I am fair. So if HA are thugs then what does that make of Mr Jumblatt and Mr. GeaGea? I find it very humerous that you are the ones calling them thugs.

Reality is: You are both thugs (especially GeaGea and Jumblatt) and will be killing each other soon and I will not take part in any of it.

What religion has the most blood on it’s hands? Can you guess Danny Boy? I am ashamed that I was born in it.

What civilization has most blood on it’s hand? Can you guess again Danny Boy? You should be ashamed to be with it.

Wow. The level of discourse around here has been pretty bad lately.

Hey Whatever,
i’m not done with you yet!!!
You have no clue what the american society is composed of, all you know is what you read in a couple of magazines that you think are written by prophets.
Yes we do have the freedom to say whatever we want, to criticize the israelis, the jews, to criticize christianity, and by far the americans are the ones who criticizes the most american politics, national and international. You can say whatever you want, you can publicly and on TV call the president names, talk shit about his family, you can draw cartoons of the most respectable people, of religious figures… whatever you want!!!
You can be the biggest ignorant and call the others ignorant, you can call them idiots, thugs… whatever whatever wants!
Now from the other side, these people that you have the right to insult, have the right to insult you back and call you idiot, retarded, illiterate or even lebanese (which seems to be a big insult for you!)
Stop talking crap about freedom, you don’t seem to be aware of anything about it.
Your models have all the right to hate the US and the West, and the US and the West have all the right to hate them back. And when it comes to that level of hatred (car bombings, suicidal attacks, invasions…) the stronger takes it all, and most importantly the stronger write History.
I think you haven’t wrote an argument that was not countered by a stronger couter argument, and all through these 42 - 43 posts you were unable to re-use or defend any of the stupid things you have said. you kept repeating those magical titles: free to… have the right to… All nice words that everybody agrees on but you never went deeper in your analysis because you know deep inside that you are defending those people without any conviction but because america and the west refused the presidency to your locco semi-god, and you are so disgusted of them now that you can’t even wear publicly your orange shirt and ready to burn your passport because yes, you know you have lost and your general lost too his crazy bet.
Don’t be a sore-looser just like him. you lost because there was something wrong with your thinking (obviously!!!), like an alliance with hezballah for instance, don’t hate the US for it, break the alliance, change the head of the FPM and start at new with new bases, with good arguments, sub arguments, and counter-arguments, build yourself a logic disillusioned christians around the world! The general is not Jesus Christ, far from it, it is big time to hold him accountable and to take a different path and stop blaming your defeat on the world. You got defeated because you were wrong!!! Recognize your mistakes, thats the door to the right path!

Krach, You have lost the right of a response from me. Get lost or get another alias and try again.

You have the freedom to sin, but not to be muslim and not get persecuted.

You have the right to love israel, but you will be called anti-semite for rest of your life if you dare be free and say anything they do is wrong.

You have the right to love justice, as long as it is not for the palestinians.

heeheehee, again freeom my butt!

Clearly, whatever hasn’t actually EXPERIENCED any of these things he talks about.

Go spend a year in the US and see what kind of freedoms you really have, before making up stories and fantasies.

I’m guessing you’re a kid who hasn’t seen much of life outside of your little corner of the world. Sad for you.

I have been living in USA for long long time. The differnce is I think objectively.

I like Abe Lincoln. Was very objective man too from what I know.

Hah! Nice try. I don’t believe that for a second. Your comments betray you for NOT being objective and not knowing anything about freedom of speech/choice/worship/etc.

And for the record, I don’t know why you keep accusing everyone of not being as objective as you, considering many of us keep criticizing both sides (see my repeated criticisms of Saniora and M14, as well as Hizb). Whereas you seem more interested in slogans and rhetoric than actual facts.