also throughout history, the spread in balance of weapons power has never been greater; it went on an exponetianl curve. People used to always have some hope to get back their lost dignities, land, etc. through “normal” means of war.

Yes I believe when a human being is subjected to total humilaiation, loses their dignity, and made live in pain on a daily basis, then they can become beasts. It has been shown time and again throughiut human history. What happened to goodwill? To all except the palestinains?

What would I or you do if mexican tanks rolled into our neighborhoods here? displaced us to Canada, etc. etc. Please let’s be fair.

I hope you so not see me as “them”. I see myself as “guilty us”.

It doesn’t really matter what you believe, in your hypothetical world. Some people resort to savagery and terrorism and find excuses to justify it, and other people don’t.

BTW did not the kamikazees do some suicide operations too in WW2?

Only against combatants. Not against the innocent.

Those palestinians have no hope, and too much pain, etc. I think they find it better to be dead to be honest.

Then let them die. But you don’t really believe that, do you? No, they intend to win. You still haven’t answered why so many Muslims all over the world use the same tactics Palestinians use, even though they don’t have Jews oppressing them. It would always be something. If Israel didn’t exist, it would be something else. The problem is with the mentality, not with the conditions.

Doesn’t that mean you just disproved the argument you made earlier, that I disputed? “”

No Craig I still stand by my original point. I used what Pape said to show that nationalistic christians,sunnis, and Shias could as well do the same thing when they feel that their dignity is taken away and have no other means of fighting a superrior foe. So I believe if we give them F-16s and other stuff then they would go to normal “war” .. whatever was ever normal about war.

BTW did not the kamikazees do some suicide operations too in WW2?

Those palestinians have no hope, and too much pain, etc. I think they find it better to be dead to be honest.

Another thing, Israel historically and religously is in the middleeast but more percise around jerusalem. So if your going to make a nation based upon the religion wouldn’t it make sense to create the nation where it religon says it is located? Jews don’t believe that israel was created in the NA continent or USA for that matter.

Also why doesn’t jordan give up some of its land to palestine considering if you look at the british mandate maps you would see that basically the entire nation of jordan is considered palestine yet you don’t see many middleasterners bitching at joranians that they are occupying palestianian land now do you?

But I was talking about Syria: why is Syria always managing to stay out of trouble and let Lebanon pay the price? It’s time for Syria to do its own work and leave Lebanon alone!

I am also appalled at the dictatorship in Syria.

So you have equal love for HA and for Israel?

Yet, it seems to me that Syria fights Israel only via the proxy Lebanon! So Lebanon pays the price of revenge!

Unfair!

The 1st suicide bombing in the whole world was directed at US Marine peacekeepers, and the second (a few minutes later) at French peacekeepers. Not Israelis. And most people think this very man we are talking about believe he was behind those two attacks.

Actually and it was not HA that started it, but it was another nationalistic secular party.

No, it was Hezbollah. Those are the attacks that made Hezbollah famous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

On your other comment, this is from your link:

Pape distinguishes between two types of suicides: egotistical (killing oneself to escape pain) and altruistic. Suicide bombers view their acts as altruistic, he explains, based on the premise that killing occupiers eventually will lead to a decline in popular support for the occupation, eventual withdrawal and, for the occupied, liberation. According to Pape, this is why occupied communities call their suicide bombers “martyrs.”

So if you believe your own evidence, then suffering (whether of Palestinians or of anyone else) has nothing to do with suicide bombings.

Doesn’t that mean you just disproved the argument you made earlier, that I disputed?

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Hezbollah, for example, did not even exist, much less resort to suicide bombings, until Israel occupied south Lebanon in the 1980s. Pape’s data on Lebanese suicide bombers, moreover, show that while most were Sunni and Shi’i, they were not Islamists—and three were Christian. The last photographs that all female suicide bombers wanted to be remembered by showed them unveiled, wearing stylish Western clothes and hairstyles. A high school teacher wore a cross prominently displayed on her neck—hardly the stereotyped images of Islamic fundamentalists. Pape’s data further show that most suicide bombers are well-educated, walk-in volunteers who are driven by nationalistic reasons. Prior to their attacks, they mostly received tactical training, rather than religious indoctrination.