Check out this:
New footage shows the explosion that killed Commander of the Islamic Resistance Imad Mughniyeh.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7240000/newsid_7246700?redirect=7246765.stm&news=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&asb=1

BTW, you can see Al Alam TV Logo on it!
How did they get it first before the Syrians??

I am just wondering how can a regular 21 years old Joe from Lebanon goes to Iran and establish Hezbullah?

How can he be trusted by the Iranian intelligence?

If he was trained by the Iranian intelligence, it is possible for him to establish an entity like Hezbullah. But he was not! He was just a PLO ex fighter.

So he left PLO and he went straight to Iran and establish Hezbullah! There is a missing link in here.

Do not misunderstand me guys. I am not with this terrorist in any way or form and I am sure that Syria killed him.

Min FAJJARO WLAK. 2IRRR WLAK 7AYWAAAN!

He did not go straight to Iran. Fadlallah recruited him and actually began Hizbullah. This guy shares “fatherhood” of Hiz with Fadlallah. Read “The Oracle of Hizbullah” by Martin Kramer - long, but very interesting.

The Most Hideous Of Them All?

Yes. The most hideous of them all. He was (is?) the worst terrorist in modern history.

LebanesePatriot,

If he was trained by the Iranian intelligence, it is possible for him to establish an entity like Hezbullah. But he was not! He was just a PLO ex fighter.

Iran had IRGC officers in Lebanon in the early 1980s, who were sent there fro the express purpose of establishing Hezbollah and recruiting, training and supporting members for the new organization. I’m surprised you don’t(?) know that? It was common knowledge in Lebanon at the time.

So he left PLO and he went straight to Iran and establish Hezbullah!

He wasn’t actually “in” teh PLO, he just attached himself to Yassir Arafat’s because that was his best opportunity to have cover to kill his enemies - mostly Lebanese Christians at that time.

Yassir Arafat and the PLO were evacuated to Tunisia in the same year that Hezbollah was formed. Obviously, when the PLO was no longer in Lebanon, it became impossible for Mughniyeh to continue his relationship with the PLO. And lo and behold, here comes Iran wanting to sponsor a new group made up of Lebanese Shia (which he happened to be) at the very same time that he found himself “homeless”.

There is a missing link in here.

If it seems like there is a missing link, it’s because you have been looking to the wrong sources.

Imad Mughnyeh is a resistance fighter like it or not. His attack on the french and American embassy’s were acts against occupation, doesnt anybody even bothers to ask why the hell was there foreign “intelligence” officers on Lebanese soil. As for his acts, they’re nothing but accusations.
If you mustapha were writing in 80s you and alot of other people that comment on ur blog would have considered this man a martyr. But it’s only because we are in this day and age were the Ideas of resistance are being constantly attacked and rediculed that you would call this man a terrorist.
Please define the word terrorist for me.
Can you do it in a way that can’t include the US?

Imad Mughnyeh is a resistance fighter like it or not. His attack on the french and American embassy’s were acts against occupation, doesnt anybody even bothers to ask why the hell was there foreign “intelligence” officers on Lebanese soil. As for his acts, they’re nothing but accusations.
If you mustapha were writing in 80s you and alot of other people that comment on ur blog would have considered this man a martyr. But it’s only because we are in this day and age were the Ideas of resistance are being constantly attacked and ridiculed that you would call this man a terrorist.
Please define the word terrorist for me.
Can you do it in a way that can’t include the US?

terrorists begets terrorists. Israel might have been first terrorist around here. Now Israel is rich and civlized terrorist and they get to define what terrorism means. All the people they displaced and opressed for 60 years are terrorists. Very humerous.

Ok so if Imad M. was a terrorist then so is almost every government. How many innocent peope died in Iraq by an occuping force that thought or claimed that saddam had WMDs? .. how about saddam himself?

PULEEZE, if you call Imad a terroist then also call everyone Else a terrorist including the Jewish state and all Lebanese leaders.

I guess displacing 10 million palastinians, occupying their land and opressing them for 60 years does not count as terrorism. I find this very humerous. What did they do to make those poor palistinians want to blow up?

Terrorism, in the modern sense,is violence against civilians to achieve political or ideological objectives by creating fear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

What did they do to make those poor palistinians want to blow up?

There are plenty of Libyans, Saudis, Lebanese, Egyptians, etc blowing themselves up in Iraq. Nothing was “done” to them, at least by outsiders. Why don’t you try answering your own question, instead of asking other people to do it for you? Use your head, the answer is there for all to see, if you really want to know the truth. If you don’t want to know, it doesn’t matter how many times people try to explain it to you. You won’t believe them.

Whatever, look at Darko here:

His attack on the french and American embassy’s were acts against occupation

He thinks diplomatic missions are an “occupation” and he thinks murdering diplomatic staff sent to another country in accordance with the Vienna Conventions on international relations, is an act of resistance.

When there is somebody that unhinged on this blog, how can you ask where suicide bombers come from?

Whatever (again)

Have you heard of this story from yesterday?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080216/ap_on_re_us/niu_shooting

That’s not terrorism. It’s mass murder. Suppose, though, that somebody like Pat Robertson was running a ministry for “troubled youths” and encountered this guy. And instead of doing what any good Christian should do, and try to ease his mind and heal his soul, he says:

“Hey, son, I understand why you feel the way you do. But I urge you not to waste your life killing random students, some of whom may be innocent and some may even be Christians. No, sonny, you will go to hell for that. What I want you to do, is go down to that Islamic center and shoot as many of those Muslim kids as you can. Those kids are all going to hell anyway, and they are followers of the false prophet. Their souls are forfeit. You will earn your place in the Army of God if you do this, and the afterlife will have none of the misery you are experiencing today.”

That would be terrorism.

So:

a) criminal

b) violent

c) politically (or religiously) motivated

d) organized (a lone actor is not serving a cause)

That would be a start of a decent definition for me.

craig, why are you so interested in Lebanon?

Is this freedom fighting too ??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6085768.stm
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Mughniyeh was the inventor of the suicide bomb in the Mid East, and it is a poetic justice that he should have died this way. Let me remind everyone about the “occupation” and what Darko said. Yes, Hezbo considered the French & the American UN peace keeping forces an “occupation”. Embassies, commercial airplanes, journalists, places of worship - are a fair targets when they choose, and that has not changed a bit. Hezbollah believes that the UNIFIL forces are also an occupation. They just have not decided to kill them yet.

When someone is oppressed so much and his dignity is taken away and to top it off he has no means of fighting or his means are so inferior then he might resort to crazy ways.

I do not in anyway approve or support any of these methods just as I do not support and approve of the way occupiers occupy other people’s lands and oppress them.

I never seen any muslims blow up to kill Lebanese christians, or maybe innocent civilians in Finland? Why is that?

What did the palstinians do in support of Hitler to deserve this treatment? Why should they pay the price of what the Europeans did? Why cannot we give the Jews land for a nation in the USA? The same goes for the Saudi’s, will they give up some land in the desert to be included in a future land deal between the jews and palestinians? If you answered No then why do the palestinians have to be the only ones who should give their land to the jews?

Let’s be fair.

haha Myhgnyia dead huh? Are you believeing syrian and HA. Has HA been behind the curve for the past decade or so? where’s dna evidence?

Why would syria admit to harboring a “terrorist” if they do not stand to benefit from it???

Since when do they tell the truth???

anon,

craig, why are you so interested in Lebanon?

I’m not. I’m interested in Hezbollah. Why is it any of your business?

Whatever, do you think the civil war in Lebanon was started by the Jews?

Judging from a lot of the comments here, it’s no wonder Lebanon is so messed up now. Your current “freedom fighters,” in Hezb almost destroyed the country in 2006 and now, are amassing fighters on the border and going to war with Israel worldwide on behalf of Lebanon.

The only freedom these guys will bring is freedom from continued breathing for a lot of innocent Lebanese.

Sad sad sad.

Take your heroes and shove them up yours! They are small in the heroisme world, and you asses are big from the shit drifting from your brains.
One by one the ennemies of humanity are going to be executed. We will clean the world from them and whoever wants to associate to them.

civil war in Lebanon was not started by the jews but the Jewish state did have interests in it. Why do you care who started the civil war anyway? All Lebanese parties, PLO, and so called “religions” got the blood on their hand from it.

Whatever, this is what you said that prompted me to ask that:

I guess displacing 10 million palastinians, occupying their land and opressing them for 60 years does not count as terrorism. I find this very humerous. What did they do to make those poor palistinians want to blow up?

Hezbollah was not founded to fight Israel. Hezbollah was founded to fight in the Lebanese civil war. That was shortly after Khomeini announced his plans for a global Islamic Revolution, and Lebanon was his first target country. Your argument tying Hezbollah terrorism to the suffering of Palestinians seemed specious to me.

My point is if HA are terrorists then so is Israel. Actually Israel’s terrorism might not have been matched except by Hitler for the past 100 years. It is a shame that they are doing upon the palestinians more then what Hitler did upon them. So HA is 2nd grade terrorists compared to Israel.

What did they do to make those poor palistinians want to blow up?

One more thing on that one. I’m fairly certain that the first and second terrorist suicide bombings (ever) took place on October 23, 1983. Which would mean that Hezbollah invented the tactic, not Palestinians. What was done to those poor Shia to make them blow themselves up, Whatever?

Many suicide bombings took place in Lebanon after 1982 and most were directed at Israel’s occupation of southern Lebanon. I think people from all religions did it too some actually christians and sunnis. Actually and it was not HA that started it, but it was another nationalistic secular party.

http://www.washington-report.org/archives/Sept_Oct_2005/0509076.html

excerpt –>

Hezbollah, for example, did not even exist, much less resort to suicide bombings, until Israel occupied south Lebanon in the 1980s. Pape’s data on Lebanese suicide bombers, moreover, show that while most were Sunni and Shi’i, they were not Islamists—and three were Christian. The last photographs that all female suicide bombers wanted to be remembered by showed them unveiled, wearing stylish Western clothes and hairstyles. A high school teacher wore a cross prominently displayed on her neck—hardly the stereotyped images of Islamic fundamentalists. Pape’s data further show that most suicide bombers are well-educated, walk-in volunteers who are driven by nationalistic reasons. Prior to their attacks, they mostly received tactical training, rather than religious indoctrination.

Many suicide bombings took place in Lebanon after 1982 and most were directed at Israel’s occupation of southern Lebanon.

The 1st suicide bombing in the whole world was directed at US Marine peacekeepers, and the second (a few minutes later) at French peacekeepers. Not Israelis. And most people think this very man we are talking about believe he was behind those two attacks.

Actually and it was not HA that started it, but it was another nationalistic secular party.

No, it was Hezbollah. Those are the attacks that made Hezbollah famous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

On your other comment, this is from your link:

Pape distinguishes between two types of suicides: egotistical (killing oneself to escape pain) and altruistic. Suicide bombers view their acts as altruistic, he explains, based on the premise that killing occupiers eventually will lead to a decline in popular support for the occupation, eventual withdrawal and, for the occupied, liberation. According to Pape, this is why occupied communities call their suicide bombers “martyrs.”

So if you believe your own evidence, then suffering (whether of Palestinians or of anyone else) has nothing to do with suicide bombings.

Doesn’t that mean you just disproved the argument you made earlier, that I disputed? :)

His assassination in the Damascus, near an intelligence service facility is a humiliation for Syria. And a few months ago, Israel bombed some mysterious site in Syria, another humiliation. And Israel continues to occupy the Golan Heights.

Yet, it seems to me that Syria fights Israel only via the proxy Lebanon! So Lebanon pays the price of revenge!

Unfair!

His assassination in the Damascus, near an intelligence service facilityMy point is if HA are terrorists then so is Israel

So you have equal love for HA and for Israel?

I am equally appalled at Israel and HA.
Both are criminal entities.

But I was talking about Syria: why is Syria always managing to stay out of trouble and let Lebanon pay the price? It’s time for Syria to do its own work and leave Lebanon alone!

I am also appalled at the dictatorship in Syria.

Whatever, the idea that USA should give some of its land for jews is just downright stupid. First off USA didn’t really support Israel until 1967. Also israel is a euro creation so why should a north american country have to give land up for a european creation, if anything by your argument it should be a country in europe that makes room for israel not USA.

Another thing, Israel historically and religously is in the middleeast but more percise around jerusalem. So if your going to make a nation based upon the religion wouldn’t it make sense to create the nation where it religon says it is located? Jews don’t believe that israel was created in the NA continent or USA for that matter.

Also why doesn’t jordan give up some of its land to palestine considering if you look at the british mandate maps you would see that basically the entire nation of jordan is considered palestine yet you don’t see many middleasterners bitching at joranians that they are occupying palestianian land now do you?

Craig –>”"So if you believe your own evidence, then suffering (whether of Palestinians or of anyone else) has nothing to do with suicide bombings.

Doesn’t that mean you just disproved the argument you made earlier, that I disputed? :) “”

No Craig I still stand by my original point. I used what Pape said to show that nationalistic christians,sunnis, and Shias could as well do the same thing when they feel that their dignity is taken away and have no other means of fighting a superrior foe. So I believe if we give them F-16s and other stuff then they would go to normal “war” .. whatever was ever normal about war.

BTW did not the kamikazees do some suicide operations too in WW2?

Those palestinians have no hope, and too much pain, etc. I think they find it better to be dead to be honest.

So I believe if we give them F-16s and other stuff then they would go to normal “war” ..

It doesn’t really matter what you believe, in your hypothetical world. Some people resort to savagery and terrorism and find excuses to justify it, and other people don’t.

BTW did not the kamikazees do some suicide operations too in WW2?

Only against combatants. Not against the innocent.

Those palestinians have no hope, and too much pain, etc. I think they find it better to be dead to be honest.

Then let them die. But you don’t really believe that, do you? No, they intend to win. You still haven’t answered why so many Muslims all over the world use the same tactics Palestinians use, even though they don’t have Jews oppressing them. It would always be something. If Israel didn’t exist, it would be something else. The problem is with the mentality, not with the conditions.

Hey Craig, we bombed the crap away during WW2 killing and most times on purpose the most amount of civilians. How about that Nuke on Japan to end the war? The excuse there was it ended the war but we still are terrorists then since we did kill civilians and in the 1000s. How about the war on Iraq? We replaced Saddam as the new terrorist masters in Iraq. I am not proud of that especially with all the lies that ware clear to anyeone who thinks objectively.

Yes I believe when a human being is subjected to total humilaiation, loses their dignity, and made live in pain on a daily basis, then they can become beasts. It has been shown time and again throughiut human history. What happened to goodwill? To all except the palestinains?

What would I or you do if mexican tanks rolled into our neighborhoods here? displaced us to Canada, etc. etc. Please let’s be fair.

I hope you so not see me as “them”. I see myself as “guilty us”.

Your next logical question: is throughout human history no else resorted to suicide bombing. and my answer is:

also throughout history, the spread in balance of weapons power has never been greater; it went on an exponetianl curve. People used to always have some hope to get back their lost dignities, land, etc. through “normal” means of war.