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		<title>By: Bad Vilbel</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/31/seniora-sleiman-react-differently-to-winograd-report/#comment-9768</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Vilbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s news reports the Army arrested a bunch of army troops, as part of the investigation, as well as a bunch of civilians. Hezbollah and Amal were of course quick to applaud the arrest of the army troops (but said nothing about the arrest of the rioters who started this whole thing).

The more I read about this, the more it is clear that the army was provoked:

+&quot;The reports quoted unidentified informed sources as saying Ahmed Hamzi, an AMAL official who was the first victim of the Jan. 27 riots, was shot in the back with an AK-47 Kalashnikov rifle bullet, a weapon that is not used by the Lebanese Army force deployed in the area.&quot;

So that was an assassination, basically.

+&quot;The reports said victims, other than Hamzi, were hit after escalation of the protests into a confrontation with the Army, which included attacking soldiers and attempting to strip them of their weapons.&quot;

I dunno about you, but i think when rioters start targeting the army and attempting to strip them of their weapons, I&#039;d expect the Army to fight back and fire at the aggressors.

+&quot;The reports quoted sources as saying the investigation dropped the probability of targeting army troops and rioters with sniper fire by a third party, especially from the adjacent Christian district of Ein Rummaneh.

No snipers were positioned on rooftops during the confrontation, the reports said, noting that army troops had deployed on the roofs of two to three buildings overlooking the confrontation grounds.&quot;

All this makes it pretty damn clear who started this whole incident. And I sure hope that the investigation does more than punish a bunch of troops for defending themselves.
You wanna name names? Call out the agitators, call out their masters in Dahieh, and have them arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. And let&#039;s not blame Israel for this one, eh chums?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s news reports the Army arrested a bunch of army troops, as part of the investigation, as well as a bunch of civilians. Hezbollah and Amal were of course quick to applaud the arrest of the army troops (but said nothing about the arrest of the rioters who started this whole thing).</p>
<p>The more I read about this, the more it is clear that the army was provoked:</p>
<p>+&#8221;The reports quoted unidentified informed sources as saying Ahmed Hamzi, an AMAL official who was the first victim of the Jan. 27 riots, was shot in the back with an AK-47 Kalashnikov rifle bullet, a weapon that is not used by the Lebanese Army force deployed in the area.&#8221;</p>
<p>So that was an assassination, basically.</p>
<p>+&#8221;The reports said victims, other than Hamzi, were hit after escalation of the protests into a confrontation with the Army, which included attacking soldiers and attempting to strip them of their weapons.&#8221;</p>
<p>I dunno about you, but i think when rioters start targeting the army and attempting to strip them of their weapons, I&#8217;d expect the Army to fight back and fire at the aggressors.</p>
<p>+&#8221;The reports quoted sources as saying the investigation dropped the probability of targeting army troops and rioters with sniper fire by a third party, especially from the adjacent Christian district of Ein Rummaneh.</p>
<p>No snipers were positioned on rooftops during the confrontation, the reports said, noting that army troops had deployed on the roofs of two to three buildings overlooking the confrontation grounds.&#8221;</p>
<p>All this makes it pretty damn clear who started this whole incident. And I sure hope that the investigation does more than punish a bunch of troops for defending themselves.<br />
You wanna name names? Call out the agitators, call out their masters in Dahieh, and have them arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. And let&#8217;s not blame Israel for this one, eh chums?</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Arab</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/31/seniora-sleiman-react-differently-to-winograd-report/#comment-9767</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy Arab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siniora is a very smart man.

Suleiman probably too, but he is perhaps trying to cool down the latest tensions between the shiite community and the army.

We don&#039;t know how this community will react to the murder of some demonstrators. They seems to have been shot by soldiers (who probably were highly provoked... but oh well...)

Hezbollah is suggesting to jail Samir Geagea because some shiites and soldiers clashed on black Sunday. Very funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siniora is a very smart man.</p>
<p>Suleiman probably too, but he is perhaps trying to cool down the latest tensions between the shiite community and the army.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know how this community will react to the murder of some demonstrators. They seems to have been shot by soldiers (who probably were highly provoked&#8230; but oh well&#8230;)</p>
<p>Hezbollah is suggesting to jail Samir Geagea because some shiites and soldiers clashed on black Sunday. Very funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseywales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseywales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re BV and the recent army warning idiocy,

Thats&#039; exactly what I am talking about in comment #1 above:

Yelling Israel/Zionism is sheer stupidity and will NOT solve your economic nor political problems, nor will it solve your numerous investigations you bums.

Maybe, just maybe, while our idiot leaders are (supposedly) watching the Zionists someone else is killing them and fomenting trouble (DUH).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re BV and the recent army warning idiocy,</p>
<p>Thats&#8217; exactly what I am talking about in comment #1 above:</p>
<p>Yelling Israel/Zionism is sheer stupidity and will NOT solve your economic nor political problems, nor will it solve your numerous investigations you bums.</p>
<p>Maybe, just maybe, while our idiot leaders are (supposedly) watching the Zionists someone else is killing them and fomenting trouble (DUH).</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Vilbel</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/31/seniora-sleiman-react-differently-to-winograd-report/#comment-9765</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Vilbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for naming names....Courtesy of Naharnet:
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Army Warns: Attacking Soldiers Serves Israel&#039;s Interests, Confuses Investigation
The Army Command on Saturday cautioned that attacks targeting soldiers in Beirut and its suburbs deal a blow to security and stability and serve interests of the Israeli enemy.&lt;/i&gt;

Still hiding behind the dumb &quot;Zionist enemy&quot; nonesense. These people are never going to grow up, and never going to shed that monkey of their back. As long as we insist on blaming every damn thing on the Israelis, there simply is no hope for this godforsaken country.

Would it have been so hard to actually call Syria an enemy too? Or say attacking the army serves Syria&#039;s interests? Or the interests of Hezbollah? Why are we SO freaking afraid to name LEBANESE names or Arab names? Are people that far in denial that they can&#039;t recognize that the Arab world and Lebanon have their own failings? To hear these idiots speak, we are bloody perfect. We&#039;ve NEVER done anything wrong. It&#039;s ALWAYS the Israelis. I&#039;m tired of it. Israel has done it&#039;s fair share of damage and destruction in Lebanon, but SO HAVE THE LEBANESE, SO HAVE THE SYRIANS, SO HAVE THE PALESTINIANS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for naming names&#8230;.Courtesy of Naharnet:<br />
<i><br />
Army Warns: Attacking Soldiers Serves Israel&#8217;s Interests, Confuses Investigation<br />
The Army Command on Saturday cautioned that attacks targeting soldiers in Beirut and its suburbs deal a blow to security and stability and serve interests of the Israeli enemy.</i></p>
<p>Still hiding behind the dumb &#8220;Zionist enemy&#8221; nonesense. These people are never going to grow up, and never going to shed that monkey of their back. As long as we insist on blaming every damn thing on the Israelis, there simply is no hope for this godforsaken country.</p>
<p>Would it have been so hard to actually call Syria an enemy too? Or say attacking the army serves Syria&#8217;s interests? Or the interests of Hezbollah? Why are we SO freaking afraid to name LEBANESE names or Arab names? Are people that far in denial that they can&#8217;t recognize that the Arab world and Lebanon have their own failings? To hear these idiots speak, we are bloody perfect. We&#8217;ve NEVER done anything wrong. It&#8217;s ALWAYS the Israelis. I&#8217;m tired of it. Israel has done it&#8217;s fair share of damage and destruction in Lebanon, but SO HAVE THE LEBANESE, SO HAVE THE SYRIANS, SO HAVE THE PALESTINIANS.</p>
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		<title>By: Libanius</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/31/seniora-sleiman-react-differently-to-winograd-report/#comment-9764</link>
		<dc:creator>Libanius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed with Josey and Bad V.

Sleiman is sucking, but for what? And Siniora forgot that during the early days of the war, he sided with Hezb, which gave Israel cause to bomb the rest of Lebanon in order to teach us.

The reality is that Hezb&#039;s cause is a lost one. Peace in Lebanon is more important than belligerance with Israel.

Hezb&#039;s days are numbered. Israel will not make the same mistake again if they strike them. This time, they&#039;ll be really on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed with Josey and Bad V.</p>
<p>Sleiman is sucking, but for what? And Siniora forgot that during the early days of the war, he sided with Hezb, which gave Israel cause to bomb the rest of Lebanon in order to teach us.</p>
<p>The reality is that Hezb&#8217;s cause is a lost one. Peace in Lebanon is more important than belligerance with Israel.</p>
<p>Hezb&#8217;s days are numbered. Israel will not make the same mistake again if they strike them. This time, they&#8217;ll be really on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Vilbel</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/31/seniora-sleiman-react-differently-to-winograd-report/#comment-9763</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Vilbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yallah.....Nice to see you used some sort of logic and rational thinking to your comment. Oh no, wait, you didn&#039;t. Idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yallah&#8230;..Nice to see you used some sort of logic and rational thinking to your comment. Oh no, wait, you didn&#8217;t. Idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny K</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/31/seniora-sleiman-react-differently-to-winograd-report/#comment-9762</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seniora: &quot;The report did not include anything on the cluster bombs used by the Israeli army&quot;

Winograd: &quot;Israel must consider whether it wants to consider using cluster bombs in the future, because its current manner of employing them does not conform to international law... The cluster bomb is inaccurate, it consists of bomblets that are dispersed over a large area, and some of the bomblets do not explode [on impact] and can cause damage for a long period afterward&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seniora: &#8220;The report did not include anything on the cluster bombs used by the Israeli army&#8221;</p>
<p>Winograd: &#8220;Israel must consider whether it wants to consider using cluster bombs in the future, because its current manner of employing them does not conform to international law&#8230; The cluster bomb is inaccurate, it consists of bomblets that are dispersed over a large area, and some of the bomblets do not explode [on impact] and can cause damage for a long period afterward&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: A Purple Monkey</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/31/seniora-sleiman-react-differently-to-winograd-report/#comment-9761</link>
		<dc:creator>A Purple Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading reports like this just forces you to respect Hizballah. I really wish the other Lebanese parties were half as dedicated to their cause as these people are. Its sad that those who believe in the wrong cause are willing to die and destroy everything for it, and those who believe in the right ones are not willing to do anything about it beyond empty words. They have empty slogans that they fiercely pursue, we have &quot;filled-up&quot; slogans, that we will never pursue.

Sleiman will always suck up to everyone, I really hope this guy doesn&#039;t get elected; I want to smash some &quot;innocent Syrians&quot; in that fucking traitor&#039;s face. Siniora, will always try to give the impression of being an all-nice loving father of Arab children. (As if these children haven&#039;t always been sons of gypsy whores that would sell their families for a rifle).

We on the other hand, i.e. the normal people, are by far the worst. We blog, and comment, and read, and blog, and then we blog again, but more angrily this time around.
Come on! Like Siniora or Sleiman or anyone else for that matter, we all know the source of the problem, and we&#039;re all not doing anything about it. Let&#039;s come down from the comfy chair we&#039;re sitting on, and for once admit that we&#039;re not much better than those who rule. The &quot;moderate politicians&quot; think they have no power to face Hizbistan, and we think we have no power to face these politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading reports like this just forces you to respect Hizballah. I really wish the other Lebanese parties were half as dedicated to their cause as these people are. Its sad that those who believe in the wrong cause are willing to die and destroy everything for it, and those who believe in the right ones are not willing to do anything about it beyond empty words. They have empty slogans that they fiercely pursue, we have &#8220;filled-up&#8221; slogans, that we will never pursue.</p>
<p>Sleiman will always suck up to everyone, I really hope this guy doesn&#8217;t get elected; I want to smash some &#8220;innocent Syrians&#8221; in that fucking traitor&#8217;s face. Siniora, will always try to give the impression of being an all-nice loving father of Arab children. (As if these children haven&#8217;t always been sons of gypsy whores that would sell their families for a rifle).</p>
<p>We on the other hand, i.e. the normal people, are by far the worst. We blog, and comment, and read, and blog, and then we blog again, but more angrily this time around.<br />
Come on! Like Siniora or Sleiman or anyone else for that matter, we all know the source of the problem, and we&#8217;re all not doing anything about it. Let&#8217;s come down from the comfy chair we&#8217;re sitting on, and for once admit that we&#8217;re not much better than those who rule. The &#8220;moderate politicians&#8221; think they have no power to face Hizbistan, and we think we have no power to face these politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact of the matter is, there was no winner.

The Israelis were stupid, arrogant and plain wrong.

Hizballah were stupid, arrogant and plain wrong.

1200 Lebanese died. Many more could have. Our infrastructure was destroyed. And the sectarian aftermath couldn&#039;t be any more dire.

169 Israelis died, not to count the countless injured, who happened to be a largely disproportionate Israeli-Arab demographic....or perhaps we forgot that Hassan&#039;s missiles could only reach the mainly Israeli-Arab population centres.

When will we realize, once and for all, WE ALL LOST. The Israelis just lost less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact of the matter is, there was no winner.</p>
<p>The Israelis were stupid, arrogant and plain wrong.</p>
<p>Hizballah were stupid, arrogant and plain wrong.</p>
<p>1200 Lebanese died. Many more could have. Our infrastructure was destroyed. And the sectarian aftermath couldn&#8217;t be any more dire.</p>
<p>169 Israelis died, not to count the countless injured, who happened to be a largely disproportionate Israeli-Arab demographic&#8230;.or perhaps we forgot that Hassan&#8217;s missiles could only reach the mainly Israeli-Arab population centres.</p>
<p>When will we realize, once and for all, WE ALL LOST. The Israelis just lost less.</p>
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		<title>By: leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don Cox @ 2,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Is there a similar report from Hezb’allah, analysing mistakes made and lessons learned?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

There may be no report but I hope they learned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Cox @ 2,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Is there a similar report from Hezb’allah, analysing mistakes made and lessons learned?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>There may be no report but I hope they learned.</p>
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