Comments on: An Investigation Like No Other http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/ Blogging Lebanese politics, business and society since 2005 Wed, 23 May 2012 14:09:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Lemon http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9726 Lemon Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:13:02 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9726 Hezbollah is calling for an investigation, but on the other hand they have made it clear that their support for Suleiman is going to pend on the findings of that investigation. In other words, if Suleiman wants to have any chance at all at the chair, he better make sure that Hezbollah is not in any way implicated. Which quite convenient, considering that it 5 HA and Amal activists just accidentally happened to be in the line of fire between unidentified shooters and the army. Hezbollah is calling for an investigation, but on the other hand they have made it clear that their support for Suleiman is going to pend on the findings of that investigation. In other words, if Suleiman wants to have any chance at all at the chair, he better make sure that Hezbollah is not in any way implicated.

Which quite convenient, considering that it 5 HA and Amal activists just accidentally happened to be in the line of fire between unidentified shooters and the army.

]]> By: Bronx-man http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9725 Bronx-man Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:38:25 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9725 In order to have a thorough investigation which leads to real convictions (don't forget it's convictions that count) you need more than transparency and evidence. You need a real force to back up any actions that are based on the findings. Lebanon is missing such an uncorruptable, unified organization whose sole objective is true justice - and has the balls and backup to enforce the findings. I sure hope that something comes from the exercise but, based on history, I doubt it. I hope I'm proved wrong. In order to have a thorough investigation which leads to real convictions (don’t forget it’s convictions that count) you need more than transparency and evidence. You need a real force to back up any actions that are based on the findings. Lebanon is missing such an uncorruptable, unified organization whose sole objective is true justice – and has the balls and backup to enforce the findings. I sure hope that something comes from the exercise but, based on history, I doubt it. I hope I’m proved wrong.

]]> By: Bad Vilbel http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9724 Bad Vilbel Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:12:28 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9724 By the looks of it, JAT has it right. By the looks of it, JAT has it right.

]]> By: Craig http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9723 Craig Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:45:20 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9723 It's nice to see that so many people are still optimistic about Lebanon :) This has still not been "solved": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847 Even though Mohammed Ali Hammadi was convicted for it and imprisoned in Germany. I can't recall a single "political" crime that's happened in Lebanon in the last 30 years that has ever been resolved with a formal investigation. They always result in people blaming whoever they think is responsible (like, the Jews!) (it was Hezbollah!) instead of resulting in actual justice being done. Who needs justice? It's Lebanon. It’s nice to see that so many people are still optimistic about Lebanon :)

This has still not been “solved”:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847

Even though Mohammed Ali Hammadi was convicted for it and imprisoned in Germany.

I can’t recall a single “political” crime that’s happened in Lebanon in the last 30 years that has ever been resolved with a formal investigation. They always result in people blaming whoever they think is responsible (like, the Jews!) (it was Hezbollah!) instead of resulting in actual justice being done. Who needs justice? It’s Lebanon.

]]> By: JAT http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9722 JAT Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:29:32 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9722 It's obvious from the "initial" findings what happened here. The rioters themselves were told to go and make as much noise as possible, burn tires and when the army would show up as expected, just throw stones at them in order to get a reaction...the army tried to contain the whole thing but had to defend itself which brought upon the shooting causing casualties among the hooligans. In the midst of the chaos that followed, someone shot at the rioters in the hope of creating a major chain reaction of events culminating in more shootings and forcing the army to appear as it is acting against these thugs in the streets and taking sides in the conflict. If Suleiman is to prove himself, he needs to point the finger at the guilty party and haul their asses to jail for damaging public property and engaging in unlawful acts designed to stir trouble. As of today, Suleiman is the head of the army and must show that the army is not a punching bag to be used by anyone! It’s obvious from the “initial” findings what happened here. The rioters themselves were told to go and make as much noise as possible, burn tires and when the army would show up as expected, just throw stones at them in order to get a reaction…the army tried to contain the whole thing but had to defend itself which brought upon the shooting causing casualties among the hooligans. In the midst of the chaos that followed, someone shot at the rioters in the hope of creating a major chain reaction of events culminating in more shootings and forcing the army to appear as it is acting against these thugs in the streets and taking sides in the conflict. If Suleiman is to prove himself, he needs to point the finger at the guilty party and haul their asses to jail for damaging public property and engaging in unlawful acts designed to stir trouble. As of today, Suleiman is the head of the army and must show that the army is not a punching bag to be used by anyone!

]]> By: Ibn Bint Jbeil http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9721 Ibn Bint Jbeil Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:21:53 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9721 oops, a typing error: *SEE the normalized relations, not SAY! anyway, lots of luck. oops, a typing error:
*SEE the normalized relations,
not SAY!

anyway, lots of luck.

]]> By: Ibn Bint Jbeil http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9720 Ibn Bint Jbeil Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:20:23 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9720 transparency, ha!! i think the only way we're going to have transparency is if mustapha heads the investigation. good luck with all that. i love the steady flow of zionist commentators here and the loving, brotherly banter that ensues with the phoenician locals, such good friends! i can just say the normalized relations on the horizon. good luck with that one too. transparency, ha!! i think the only way we’re going to have transparency is if mustapha heads the investigation. good luck with all that.

i love the steady flow of zionist commentators here and the loving, brotherly banter that ensues with the phoenician locals, such good friends! i can just say the normalized relations on the horizon. good luck with that one too.

]]> By: Joseywales http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9719 Joseywales Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:20:10 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9719 Stef, Ron et al, I see that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus came early this year. PS The authori-teez also caught three guys in the Eid assassination and identified the car. Wild guess: the car was stolen and the 3 guys' identities will be better protected than the Facebook flap clowns. Stef, Ron et al,

I see that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus came early this year.

PS The authori-teez also caught three guys in the Eid assassination and identified the car. Wild guess: the car was stolen and the 3 guys’ identities will be better protected than the Facebook flap clowns.

]]> By: Sasa http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9718 Sasa Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:33:05 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9718 Because Sleiman's presidency is at stake is precisely the reason he can not afford the truth. As you imply, no matter what the result, someone will be unhappy. In every single killing over the past two years, the army and the police have destroyed vital evidence (probably quite innocently), in their attempts to clear up the site, and pretend nothing happened. There has never been transparency - there can't be - and in this case, there certainly won't be. Because Sleiman’s presidency is at stake is precisely the reason he can not afford the truth. As you imply, no matter what the result, someone will be unhappy.

In every single killing over the past two years, the army and the police have destroyed vital evidence (probably quite innocently), in their attempts to clear up the site, and pretend nothing happened.

There has never been transparency – there can’t be – and in this case, there certainly won’t be.

]]> By: Bad Vilbel http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9717 Bad Vilbel Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:11 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/30/an-investigation-like-no-other/#comment-9717 You people are on crack! I've been clamoring for accountability and transparency for a long time now. I have yet to see any. You expect me to believe this investigation will turn out any different than the one in the murder of the two Ziads? I'm not counting on it. On this topic, Naharnet is reporting today that the investigations' initial findings indicate the gunfire came towards the army, from somewhere in Shiah. So, now I have to wonder, how long will it be before the same asshats demanding an investigation, start accusing the investigators of being Israeli agents and blame the government for some cover up? I can smell that setup coming from a mile away. And to the folks who were bemoaning the lack of sympathy for the dead, in yesterday's comments, I say this: Where was the sympathy for the civilians who died in various car bombs? I didn't hear Nassrallah and Amal demanding investigations back then. It seems to me like the same people who pushed the youths to burn tires, and throw rocks at the army, are the same folks who then fired at the army, hoping the army would have to fire back and hurt someone in the process. And that's exactly what seems to have happened. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for these folks? I think not. You people are on crack!

I’ve been clamoring for accountability and transparency for a long time now. I have yet to see any. You expect me to believe this investigation will turn out any different than the one in the murder of the two Ziads? I’m not counting on it.

On this topic, Naharnet is reporting today that the investigations’ initial findings indicate the gunfire came towards the army, from somewhere in Shiah. So, now I have to wonder, how long will it be before the same asshats demanding an investigation, start accusing the investigators of being Israeli agents and blame the government for some cover up? I can smell that setup coming from a mile away.

And to the folks who were bemoaning the lack of sympathy for the dead, in yesterday’s comments, I say this: Where was the sympathy for the civilians who died in various car bombs? I didn’t hear Nassrallah and Amal demanding investigations back then. It seems to me like the same people who pushed the youths to burn tires, and throw rocks at the army, are the same folks who then fired at the army, hoping the army would have to fire back and hurt someone in the process. And that’s exactly what seems to have happened. And I’m supposed to feel sorry for these folks? I think not.

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