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		<title>By: Bad Vilbel</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/28/hezbollah-channeling-anger-towards-army/#comment-9685</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Vilbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cayman, EXACTLY!

Ace: Indeed. M14 is afraid or incompetent or both. A state of emergency should&#039;ve been declared a couple of years ago. After the first string of assassinations. And failing that, it should&#039;ve been called when Nahr Al Bared happened.

Let me give you an example: When 9/11 happened in the US, within HOURS, all sorts of emergency plans were in action. The entire United States became a no-fly zone. Planes were grounded everywhere, and measures were taken. Based on ONE attack.

Don&#039;t you think that having a terrorist group in Nahr Al Bared slaughtering our soldiers and barricading themselves in a camp be enough reason to declare some  kinda of emergency????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cayman, EXACTLY!</p>
<p>Ace: Indeed. M14 is afraid or incompetent or both. A state of emergency should&#8217;ve been declared a couple of years ago. After the first string of assassinations. And failing that, it should&#8217;ve been called when Nahr Al Bared happened.</p>
<p>Let me give you an example: When 9/11 happened in the US, within HOURS, all sorts of emergency plans were in action. The entire United States became a no-fly zone. Planes were grounded everywhere, and measures were taken. Based on ONE attack.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that having a terrorist group in Nahr Al Bared slaughtering our soldiers and barricading themselves in a camp be enough reason to declare some  kinda of emergency????</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/28/hezbollah-channeling-anger-towards-army/#comment-9684</link>
		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;State of Emergency&quot; and Martial Law should have been called long ago, and it is the Cabinet of Ministers that calls it - not an Army General.  Why didn&#039;t they?  Same reason they are not doing it now.  They are afraid of what Nasrallah will do ... Hello?  He&#039;s doing it - he has begun his war against Lebanon while the rest are still running in circles (including the Arab League) hoping he won&#039;t.

Is it really a &quot;civil war&quot; when it comes from a guerrilla force that is armed, financed, and run by a foreign country?  I said all along - Nasrallah can&#039;t afford to lose on this deal and he NEEDS a war to escape the corner he is in.  He will bring that war because it&#039;s his only choice if M14 does not give in to his VETO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;State of Emergency&#8221; and Martial Law should have been called long ago, and it is the Cabinet of Ministers that calls it &#8211; not an Army General.  Why didn&#8217;t they?  Same reason they are not doing it now.  They are afraid of what Nasrallah will do &#8230; Hello?  He&#8217;s doing it &#8211; he has begun his war against Lebanon while the rest are still running in circles (including the Arab League) hoping he won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Is it really a &#8220;civil war&#8221; when it comes from a guerrilla force that is armed, financed, and run by a foreign country?  I said all along &#8211; Nasrallah can&#8217;t afford to lose on this deal and he NEEDS a war to escape the corner he is in.  He will bring that war because it&#8217;s his only choice if M14 does not give in to his VETO.</p>
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		<title>By: Cayman</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/28/hezbollah-channeling-anger-towards-army/#comment-9683</link>
		<dc:creator>Cayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One prime minister killed, 5 M.Ps, 1 army general, 170 army soldiors, 1 police capt,100&#039;s civilian also killed i didn&#039;t hear march8 asking for a quick investigation. Mind u those i mentioned were not burning tires and rioting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One prime minister killed, 5 M.Ps, 1 army general, 170 army soldiors, 1 police capt,100&#8242;s civilian also killed i didn&#8217;t hear march8 asking for a quick investigation. Mind u those i mentioned were not burning tires and rioting.</p>
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		<title>By: A Purple Monkey</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/28/hezbollah-channeling-anger-towards-army/#comment-9682</link>
		<dc:creator>A Purple Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that&#039;s exactly why these events are nothing to be frustrated about from our side. As time passed, they have managed to REALLY fuck with everyone (mostly recently the army, Sfeir, the Arabs, the French, and all those who were trying to keep an &quot;unfair yet balanced&quot; position).
Soon enough, I would really hope all those will realize that the 50+1 is  the only way to elect a President.

To elect Suleiman with a 50+1 vote, you need him to get on board. That&#039;s all I&#039;m trying to say...

Oh and martial law does smell like a fresh cup of coffee...but I&#039;m not sure we have neither the army, nor the General capable of undertaking such a mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that&#8217;s exactly why these events are nothing to be frustrated about from our side. As time passed, they have managed to REALLY fuck with everyone (mostly recently the army, Sfeir, the Arabs, the French, and all those who were trying to keep an &#8220;unfair yet balanced&#8221; position).<br />
Soon enough, I would really hope all those will realize that the 50+1 is  the only way to elect a President.</p>
<p>To elect Suleiman with a 50+1 vote, you need him to get on board. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m trying to say&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh and martial law does smell like a fresh cup of coffee&#8230;but I&#8217;m not sure we have neither the army, nor the General capable of undertaking such a mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Vilbel</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/28/hezbollah-channeling-anger-towards-army/#comment-9681</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Vilbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been clamoring for Martial Law for a long time now. If our neighbour to the East can be under a &quot;state of emergency&quot; for 30 years, without a single bomb going off there, or a single shot being fired on the Golan, surely the current situation in Lebanon warrants SOME sort of state of emergency...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been clamoring for Martial Law for a long time now. If our neighbour to the East can be under a &#8220;state of emergency&#8221; for 30 years, without a single bomb going off there, or a single shot being fired on the Golan, surely the current situation in Lebanon warrants SOME sort of state of emergency&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Vilbel</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/28/hezbollah-channeling-anger-towards-army/#comment-9680</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Vilbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Purple Monkey says &quot;. Meanwhile, the majority should keep its focus on how to elect a President&quot;

It&#039;s not that complicated, you know. How to elect a president: Go to parliament and elect a prez with 50+1. Done.

Not sure what the hold up is.

Happy Arab,

Another investigation? Let me laugh for a minute here. There&#039;s a stack of about 30 investigations that are currently open. 12 or so assassinations, the murder of the two Ziad&#039;s (remember that one?), the investigation into Fath Al Islam, and countless others....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Purple Monkey says &#8220;. Meanwhile, the majority should keep its focus on how to elect a President&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that complicated, you know. How to elect a president: Go to parliament and elect a prez with 50+1. Done.</p>
<p>Not sure what the hold up is.</p>
<p>Happy Arab,</p>
<p>Another investigation? Let me laugh for a minute here. There&#8217;s a stack of about 30 investigations that are currently open. 12 or so assassinations, the murder of the two Ziad&#8217;s (remember that one?), the investigation into Fath Al Islam, and countless others&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Arab</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/28/hezbollah-channeling-anger-towards-army/#comment-9679</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy Arab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nasrallah and Berri want an immediate and decisive investigation into the shooting of Shiite demonstrators last Sunday.

I think this is a reasonable and fair request.

However, before we start this investigation, I think it is also reasonable and fair that their ministers return to the government and sign the International Tribunal paperwork. They had resigned because they didn’t want to sign.

Because not only Shiites have been murdered lately!
Many more Christians and Sunnites have been murdered by terrorist bombs for the past two years. And someone needs to investigate those murders too. Nasrallah and Berri don’t seem at all in a hurry to investigate those murders!

Double standards?

If there are no double standards, then please Nasrallah and Berri, send back your ministers to the government, sign the International Tribunal documents and let’s start investigating all crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nasrallah and Berri want an immediate and decisive investigation into the shooting of Shiite demonstrators last Sunday.</p>
<p>I think this is a reasonable and fair request.</p>
<p>However, before we start this investigation, I think it is also reasonable and fair that their ministers return to the government and sign the International Tribunal paperwork. They had resigned because they didn’t want to sign.</p>
<p>Because not only Shiites have been murdered lately!<br />
Many more Christians and Sunnites have been murdered by terrorist bombs for the past two years. And someone needs to investigate those murders too. Nasrallah and Berri don’t seem at all in a hurry to investigate those murders!</p>
<p>Double standards?</p>
<p>If there are no double standards, then please Nasrallah and Berri, send back your ministers to the government, sign the International Tribunal documents and let’s start investigating all crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: A Purple Monkey</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/28/hezbollah-channeling-anger-towards-army/#comment-9678</link>
		<dc:creator>A Purple Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banning protests by the government is not the most reasonable thing to do. It&#039;ll just give Aoun more excuses to bark on how the government is abusing power. It will also not stop the riots, nor will it remove the tents.

I&#039;m really not sure what all the frustration is about? They rioted and wrecked havoc,so they got beaten up by the army. That&#039;s something we should be happy about no? (Of course, I&#039;m not referring to the deaths, but to the strict army response). Compare this to last year; at least it was the army that protected Ain el Remmeneh, not Fohood Tareek Jdeedi and Soqoor Jounieh.

Now, they&#039;re accusing the army of being responsible. Let them have their clash with the army. Let them have as many clashes as they want. Instead of having the government(or the majority) deal head-on with them, let the army deal with them and diffuse any sectarian strife that could result. Meanwhile, the majority should keep its focus on how to elect a President.

The only other option available if we don&#039;t like the -wait till everyone&#039;s patience runs out- plan, would have to be a decisive measure on all levels.
Sleiman declares martial law, starts a real cleaning campaign from the roots, and crushes all those that stand in his way. To put a halt to the bombings and the illegal weapons, he shuts down the borders with Syria no-matter what that would implicate on the economy, and implements a secular state by force. To replace Syria, he also initiates the project for Lebanon&#039;s energy resources by approving the underwater gas pipeline between the South and Egypt, and makes arrangements for our imports/exports to go through Jordan/Turkey. He then sends all the Palestinians to Europe since the Brits and the French are the source of the problem, and withdraws Lebanon from the Arab and Muslim Leagues. Finally after all thats been done, he resigns presenting the platform for the next  secular, democratically elected government to come and negotiate what it would take to have normal relations with either Syria or Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banning protests by the government is not the most reasonable thing to do. It&#8217;ll just give Aoun more excuses to bark on how the government is abusing power. It will also not stop the riots, nor will it remove the tents.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not sure what all the frustration is about? They rioted and wrecked havoc,so they got beaten up by the army. That&#8217;s something we should be happy about no? (Of course, I&#8217;m not referring to the deaths, but to the strict army response). Compare this to last year; at least it was the army that protected Ain el Remmeneh, not Fohood Tareek Jdeedi and Soqoor Jounieh.</p>
<p>Now, they&#8217;re accusing the army of being responsible. Let them have their clash with the army. Let them have as many clashes as they want. Instead of having the government(or the majority) deal head-on with them, let the army deal with them and diffuse any sectarian strife that could result. Meanwhile, the majority should keep its focus on how to elect a President.</p>
<p>The only other option available if we don&#8217;t like the -wait till everyone&#8217;s patience runs out- plan, would have to be a decisive measure on all levels.<br />
Sleiman declares martial law, starts a real cleaning campaign from the roots, and crushes all those that stand in his way. To put a halt to the bombings and the illegal weapons, he shuts down the borders with Syria no-matter what that would implicate on the economy, and implements a secular state by force. To replace Syria, he also initiates the project for Lebanon&#8217;s energy resources by approving the underwater gas pipeline between the South and Egypt, and makes arrangements for our imports/exports to go through Jordan/Turkey. He then sends all the Palestinians to Europe since the Brits and the French are the source of the problem, and withdraws Lebanon from the Arab and Muslim Leagues. Finally after all thats been done, he resigns presenting the platform for the next  secular, democratically elected government to come and negotiate what it would take to have normal relations with either Syria or Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseywales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseywales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Protests should have been banned a long time ago in this tinder box environment.

And the army should have clearly announced, a year ago, that protests and road blocks would be met by first-bullet in the air, second-bullet on the fucks protesting.  Whether they are M14, M8 or M-tizi.

Instead Saniora is closing schools in mourning, might as well tattoo: I AM FUCKING SCARED on his forehead.

Ans I forgot, he condemns what&#039;s going on in Gaza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Protests should have been banned a long time ago in this tinder box environment.</p>
<p>And the army should have clearly announced, a year ago, that protests and road blocks would be met by first-bullet in the air, second-bullet on the fucks protesting.  Whether they are M14, M8 or M-tizi.</p>
<p>Instead Saniora is closing schools in mourning, might as well tattoo: I AM FUCKING SCARED on his forehead.</p>
<p>Ans I forgot, he condemns what&#8217;s going on in Gaza.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said BV.

What we are seeing here is very careful brinksmanship. The question is: is it careful enough to avoid civil war? And also: is civil war unavoidable? Are people angry enough to want it? &quot;Offended&quot; enough?

Amir: Lebanon does not seem to work like that. The army is the most credible and appropriate force available for moderating civil disorder, as well as containing possible militia brouhaha (Hizbollah notwithstanding). If Lebanon was a place where police could effectively keep the peace, then a lot of bad things would not have happened anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said BV.</p>
<p>What we are seeing here is very careful brinksmanship. The question is: is it careful enough to avoid civil war? And also: is civil war unavoidable? Are people angry enough to want it? &#8220;Offended&#8221; enough?</p>
<p>Amir: Lebanon does not seem to work like that. The army is the most credible and appropriate force available for moderating civil disorder, as well as containing possible militia brouhaha (Hizbollah notwithstanding). If Lebanon was a place where police could effectively keep the peace, then a lot of bad things would not have happened anyways.</p>
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