Comments on: President Bush Shouldn’t Come To Lebanon http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/ Blogging Lebanon since 2005 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:42:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ali http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9304 ali Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:09:16 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9304 ps, ladies and gents, we may disagree on many things, but i always separate business and personal. if any of you are involved in the wireless phone industry, let me know. i am a wholesaler/retailer in the US, but lately have been getting many orders for wireless phones and PDAs for the middle east. our prices are phenominal. ps, ladies and gents, we may disagree on many things, but i always separate business and personal. if any of you are involved in the wireless phone industry, let me know. i am a wholesaler/retailer in the US, but lately have been getting many orders for wireless phones and PDAs for the middle east. our prices are phenominal.

]]> By: ali http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9303 ali Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:02:31 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9303 wallah ya Joe it ain't the nasrallah crap that makes me forgetful or dumbs me down. it's that detroit chronic. gotta give my mind a break. sharing a world with such small-minded individuals is mentally taxing. we all need a break. maybe if we passed you the dutchy you'd mellow out a bit? take off a bit of that edge? just say the word. wallah ya Joe it ain’t the nasrallah crap that makes me forgetful or dumbs me down. it’s that detroit chronic. gotta give my mind a break. sharing a world with such small-minded individuals is mentally taxing. we all need a break. maybe if we passed you the dutchy you’d mellow out a bit? take off a bit of that edge? just say the word.

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]]> By: Louis-Noel Harfouche http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9301 Louis-Noel Harfouche Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:20:42 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9301 your position was as clear then as it is now, Mustapha! my comment wasn't in anyway meant to impugn your integrity and/or your engagements; i was simply musing on a word choice that i found remiss (especially when framed in the context of the post as a whole, id est the whole idea of whether or not we should yet again abdicate and cave in to the bullying and thuggery and blackmail and the silly "tekhween" rhetoric of the crackpot Nasrallah and his puppet masters in Damascus and Teheran...) Resolve is ALL that's needed in this case... and resolve is the ONLY thing we've been missing since April 2007, 2005... M14 had momentum, intenational (AND REGIONAL, not to mention NATIONAL) consensus, and vision... Yet they still found a way to squander it all and falter. And now they've been reduced to the Lebanon of yore: "whose ass must I kiss first before I am permitted to exercise my LEGITIMATE NATIONAL PREROGATIVES???" That's bull, Mustapha! Those who keep walking on eggshells will ALWAYS end up with eggs on their face. your position was as clear then as it is now, Mustapha! my comment wasn’t in anyway meant to impugn your integrity and/or your engagements; i was simply musing on a word choice that i found remiss (especially when framed in the context of the post as a whole, id est the whole idea of whether or not we should yet again abdicate and cave in to the bullying and thuggery and blackmail and the silly “tekhween” rhetoric of the crackpot Nasrallah and his puppet masters in Damascus and Teheran…)

Resolve is ALL that’s needed in this case… and resolve is the ONLY thing we’ve been missing since April 2007, 2005…
M14 had momentum, intenational (AND REGIONAL, not to mention NATIONAL) consensus, and vision… Yet they still found a way to squander it all and falter. And now they’ve been reduced to the Lebanon of yore: “whose ass must I kiss first before I am permitted to exercise my LEGITIMATE NATIONAL PREROGATIVES???”

That’s bull, Mustapha! Those who keep walking on eggshells will ALWAYS end up with eggs on their face.

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Lebanon: Bush Not Welcome http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9300 Global Voices Online » Lebanon: Bush Not Welcome Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:11:42 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9300 [...] Lebanese blogger Mustapha explains why US president George W Bush is not welcome in Lebanon in this post. Share This [...] [...] Lebanese blogger Mustapha explains why US president George W Bush is not welcome in Lebanon in this post. Share This [...]

]]> By: Mustapha http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9299 Mustapha Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:51:40 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9299 LNH, I know that you did read my blog during the war, and I think my position back then was pretty obvious. I thought Hezbollah was to blame for starting the war, but I also felt hate and inhumanity in the sheer randomness of the Israeli attacks on all parts of Lebanon, including those with no Hezbollah presence whatsoever. LNH,

I know that you did read my blog during the war, and I think my position back then was pretty obvious.

I thought Hezbollah was to blame for starting the war, but I also felt hate and inhumanity in the sheer randomness of the Israeli attacks on all parts of Lebanon, including those with no Hezbollah presence whatsoever.

]]> By: Louis-Noel Harfouche http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9298 Louis-Noel Harfouche Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:41:06 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9298 Really Steph? was this a serious post, or you're playing devil's advocate? I'm confused! "The average Lebanese won’t forget Mr. Bush’s stance during the War on Lebanon in 2006"?? "The War on Lebanon" Steph? What is that? Is that what we're calling it now? Tell me something Steve, have the Lebanese forgotten already how the venerable Sayyid GOT them into "The War on Lebanon?" He's okay then? He's 3daam el-ra2bé as we say? That stinking Iranian dirt-bag? So, it's okay to keep on lying supine for his whoriness (sorry, Chinese accent) and his hordes; keep letting him let his foreign mediaeval puppeteers turn the country, its laws and institutions into their pigstye, but it's NOT okay to let Bush lend support to Lebanese sovereignty and independence? Till when are we supposed to keep paying lip service to the mediaeval louts (ahem, the Arabs) of our neighborhood? The same ones who have long since relinquished silly Arabness and all its accoutrements. Gvive me a freagin' break Mustapha, will ya? Really Steph? was this a serious post, or you’re playing devil’s advocate?
I’m confused!
“The average Lebanese won’t forget Mr. Bush’s stance during the War on Lebanon in 2006″?? “The War on Lebanon” Steph?
What is that?
Is that what we’re calling it now?
Tell me something Steve, have the Lebanese forgotten already how the venerable Sayyid GOT them into “The War on Lebanon?” He’s okay then? He’s 3daam el-ra2bé as we say? That stinking Iranian dirt-bag?
So, it’s okay to keep on lying supine for his whoriness (sorry, Chinese accent) and his hordes; keep letting him let his foreign mediaeval puppeteers turn the country, its laws and institutions into their pigstye, but it’s NOT okay to let Bush lend support to Lebanese sovereignty and independence?
Till when are we supposed to keep paying lip service to the mediaeval louts (ahem, the Arabs) of our neighborhood? The same ones who have long since relinquished silly Arabness and all its accoutrements.
Gvive me a freagin’ break Mustapha, will ya?

]]> By: Craig http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9297 Craig Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:10:35 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9297 I agree Bush shouldn't visit Lebanon, but not for the reasons you state. I'm not sure why he'd want to, either. I don't think Lebanon can be portrayed as a "bright spot" in the middle-east, any longer, for one thing. And for another, the US Administration stopped trying to portray any of it's efforts in the ME as success stories quite some time ago, as far as I can tell. They've been in "damage-control" mode for over a year. Even with the recent VERY GOOD news in Iraq, I don't hear the Bush Admin trying to take credit for it. The credit has all gone to the Iraqis themselves in all the reporting I've seen. I believe the US currently wants to salvage what can be salvaged in Lebanon. I think if there was something for the US to gain by Bush visiting Lebanon, he should (and probably would) do it. But, as far as a PR move, it makes no sense at all. Not only would it not generate the good PR for the US that is desired, as you say, but I don't think the US is currently even trying to improve it's public image in the Arab world. Which I think is a good idea. The US has never been well liked in the ME, despite what some pundits like to say about how much better things USED TO BE - it isn't so, and I know that from first hand experience. It's time to try for a more mature relationship between the US and the Arab middle-east. One that doesn't rely so much on public relations. Mutually beneficial relationships are more reliable than emotional ones. I would suggest the same for US relations with Israel. For several decades now, the US has had a relationship with Israel that was based far too much on emotional attachments, instead of practicalities. The unwavering support for Israel by American Christians in particular bothers me a lot, and I say that as a Christian. It'd be OK if Israel was at peace with it's neighbors, but that's not the case, and it may never be. And any religion (even my own) makes me more than a bit nervous, when there's bloodshed involved. I agree Bush shouldn’t visit Lebanon, but not for the reasons you state. I’m not sure why he’d want to, either. I don’t think Lebanon can be portrayed as a “bright spot” in the middle-east, any longer, for one thing. And for another, the US Administration stopped trying to portray any of it’s efforts in the ME as success stories quite some time ago, as far as I can tell. They’ve been in “damage-control” mode for over a year. Even with the recent VERY GOOD news in Iraq, I don’t hear the Bush Admin trying to take credit for it. The credit has all gone to the Iraqis themselves in all the reporting I’ve seen.

I believe the US currently wants to salvage what can be salvaged in Lebanon. I think if there was something for the US to gain by Bush visiting Lebanon, he should (and probably would) do it. But, as far as a PR move, it makes no sense at all. Not only would it not generate the good PR for the US that is desired, as you say, but I don’t think the US is currently even trying to improve it’s public image in the Arab world. Which I think is a good idea. The US has never been well liked in the ME, despite what some pundits like to say about how much better things USED TO BE – it isn’t so, and I know that from first hand experience. It’s time to try for a more mature relationship between the US and the Arab middle-east. One that doesn’t rely so much on public relations. Mutually beneficial relationships are more reliable than emotional ones.

I would suggest the same for US relations with Israel. For several decades now, the US has had a relationship with Israel that was based far too much on emotional attachments, instead of practicalities. The unwavering support for Israel by American Christians in particular bothers me a lot, and I say that as a Christian. It’d be OK if Israel was at peace with it’s neighbors, but that’s not the case, and it may never be. And any religion (even my own) makes me more than a bit nervous, when there’s bloodshed involved.

]]> By: Suzanne http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9296 Suzanne Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:54:29 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9296 I believe Hezbollah saw this cartoon as well and decided to change its picture by sending another two kathushas towards israel. Now.. Lebanon... what are you going to do about this terror group? :) I believe Hezbollah saw this cartoon as well and decided to change its picture by sending another two kathushas towards israel.

Now.. Lebanon… what are you going to do about this terror group? :)

]]> By: Ace http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9295 Ace Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:56:21 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/07/president-bush-shouldn%e2%80%99t-come-to-lebanon/#comment-9295 Well, I hope Bush does not come to Lebanon. Why would he? According to the 'oppostition', Bush is an enemy of Lebanon, and I actually think it's time to make this official. Hezbollah should declare official War on the USA, and they should also make it clear that this is their demand for Lebanon. They should just add it to the "Basket", I'm not sure they have done any additions this week and War against the USA would be a dandy addition. Lebanon can make history here - they can be the smallest and weakest country to ever declare WAR on the USA. With any luck at all ..... the USA will pull completely out of Lebanon. All business interest, all funding, all aid, all NGO's, all Visas, all immigration, all Embassy personel, all diplomatic ties ...... all everything. Who can complain about that? It is the smartest thing from all perpectives. Well, I hope Bush does not come to Lebanon. Why would he? According to the ‘oppostition’, Bush is an enemy of Lebanon, and I actually think it’s time to make this official.

Hezbollah should declare official War on the USA, and they should also make it clear that this is their demand for Lebanon. They should just add it to the “Basket”, I’m not sure they have done any additions this week and War against the USA would be a dandy addition.

Lebanon can make history here – they can be the smallest and weakest country to ever declare WAR on the USA. With any luck at all ….. the USA will pull completely out of Lebanon. All business interest, all funding, all aid, all NGO’s, all Visas, all immigration, all Embassy personel, all diplomatic ties …… all everything.

Who can complain about that?
It is the smartest thing from all perpectives.

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