Comments on: Aoun's Enemy Switching http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/ Blogging Lebanon since 2005 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:02:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: joseph http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9243 joseph Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:55:14 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9243 fadi, very cruel indeed. Its tragic and i hope to God you never experience what me and my family went through. Anyway, talk about theft, seems GMA got off with some loot and flew the coup to france. We all knew that and im certain you knew that as well. There are no angels in war nor politics so lets take aoun off the white horse and stop the nonsense. I have a question for you, if Syria's so innocent why did we push so hard for the Syrian accountability act just a few short years ago? fadi, very cruel indeed. Its tragic and i hope to God you never experience what me and my family went through. Anyway, talk about theft, seems GMA got off with some loot and flew the coup to france. We all knew that and im certain you knew that as well. There are no angels in war nor politics so lets take aoun off the white horse and stop the nonsense. I have a question for you, if Syria’s so innocent why did we push so hard for the Syrian accountability act just a few short years ago?

]]> By: sam http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9242 sam Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:26:07 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9242 Hatred is never justified, that's why I am opposed to HA policy: If you do not obey HA policy, Imad Moughanié will prepare you a Gift Bomb! That's pure hatred and horrible! Thank you Joseph for the explanation. Hatred is never justified, that’s why I am opposed to HA policy:

If you do not obey HA policy, Imad Moughanié will prepare you a Gift Bomb! That’s pure hatred and horrible!

Thank you Joseph for the explanation.

]]> By: Ace http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9241 Ace Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:31:49 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9241 <i>Sam, let’s face it, the ill feelings towards the shiaa is justified to some extent.</I> Sorry Joseph .... it's never "justified". Why? just because most Shia are Hezbollah? What about the Shia who are not HA? What about the Shia who have no choice? There are many of them. NGO studies show that about 30% of the Shia feel trapped by HA and the Shia are the second largest group trying to get out of Lebanon. Hezbollah is not a Lebanese party. They are an Iranian funded party with an extremist ideology. It so happens that HA is also a Shia group .... that no reason to assume all Shia are Hezbollah ..... just as there is no reason to assume all Sunni are Qaeda. The Aounists never "despised" the Shia and if you think so, then you have no concept of what FPM used to be. Granted, they are now firmly anti-Sunni but that is due to politics and to Hezbollah infiltration and influence. In the old days ... FPM was totally non-sectarian but the new mantra is that "The ends justify the means" and if the ends can assure Aoun of the chair, then "anti-Sunni" means are justified. Sam, let’s face it, the ill feelings towards the shiaa is justified to some extent.
Sorry Joseph …. it’s never “justified”. Why? just because most Shia are Hezbollah? What about the Shia who are not HA? What about the Shia who have no choice? There are many of them. NGO studies show that about 30% of the Shia feel trapped by HA and the Shia are the second largest group trying to get out of Lebanon.

Hezbollah is not a Lebanese party. They are an Iranian funded party with an extremist ideology. It so happens that HA is also a Shia group …. that no reason to assume all Shia are Hezbollah ….. just as there is no reason to assume all Sunni are Qaeda.

The Aounists never “despised” the Shia and if you think so, then you have no concept of what FPM used to be. Granted, they are now firmly anti-Sunni but that is due to politics and to Hezbollah infiltration and influence. In the old days … FPM was totally non-sectarian but the new mantra is that “The ends justify the means” and if the ends can assure Aoun of the chair, then “anti-Sunni” means are justified.

]]> By: Joseph http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9240 Joseph Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:26:58 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9240 Sorry, above post meant for TAC not Sam. Cheers Sorry, above post meant for TAC not Sam.

Cheers

]]> By: Joseph http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9239 Joseph Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:23:47 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9239 Sam, let's face it, the ill feelings towards the shiaa is justified to some extent. A self inflicting war crippling the economy and tarnishing the image of Lebanese worldwide, then taking us to the brink of civil war shortly after, yes I'd say we have valid reasons to dislike them. Also, the Aounist despised the Shiaa until their agreement. Believe me, i was one of them and there was nothing we hated more than Nassy and his smoke and mirrors resistance along with his thievery of utilities. Sam, let’s face it, the ill feelings towards the shiaa is justified to some extent. A self inflicting war crippling the economy and tarnishing the image of Lebanese worldwide, then taking us to the brink of civil war shortly after, yes I’d say we have valid reasons to dislike them.

Also, the Aounist despised the Shiaa until their agreement. Believe me, i was one of them and there was nothing we hated more than Nassy and his smoke and mirrors resistance along with his thievery of utilities.

]]> By: TAC http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9238 TAC Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:37:43 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9238 sam, "Sad to see that amount of hatred against Lebanese Sunni among the Aounite! " Of course this statement of yours is 100% correct. But can I add that it is also as sad to see the amount of hatred towards shiaa among the non Aounite? Would I be way off if I sensed such hatred in your post (specifically Q 1,2)? Do you agree that hatred is also a sad thing or do you think it is ok and justified? sam,

“Sad to see that amount of hatred against Lebanese Sunni among the Aounite! ”

Of course this statement of yours is 100% correct.

But can I add that it is also as sad to see the amount of hatred towards shiaa among the non Aounite?
Would I be way off if I sensed such hatred in your post (specifically Q 1,2)?

Do you agree that hatred is also a sad thing or do you think it is ok and justified?

]]> By: sam http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9237 sam Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:42:15 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9237 To all those who fear the Sunni, ask yourself: 1) who is growing demographically in a fast way that will change the face of Lebanon? Not Sunnis. 2) Who is buying lands in Jbeil and the South to install military basis and colonies of inhabitants. Not Sunnis. 3) Who hold arms and refuse the rule of law and pretend that they're always victims and right. Not Sunnis. 4) Who killed Pierre and Bashir Gemail. Not Sunnis. 5) And if by any chance you are afraid of Khaleigi wealthy Arabs buying villas in Lebanon. These people could easily go to any top notch destination. From Switzerland to Cayman Islands etc. 6) If you prefer rather Katiosha gifts that will destroy Lebanon, Sunnis are not responsible. Sad to see that amount of hatred against Lebanese Sunni among the Aounite! To all those who fear the Sunni, ask yourself:

1) who is growing demographically in a fast way that will change the face of Lebanon? Not Sunnis.
2) Who is buying lands in Jbeil and the South to install military basis and colonies of inhabitants. Not Sunnis.
3) Who hold arms and refuse the rule of law and pretend that they’re always victims and right. Not Sunnis.
4) Who killed Pierre and Bashir Gemail. Not Sunnis.
5) And if by any chance you are afraid of Khaleigi wealthy Arabs buying villas in Lebanon. These people could easily go to any top notch destination. From Switzerland to Cayman Islands etc.
6) If you prefer rather Katiosha gifts that will destroy Lebanon, Sunnis are not responsible.

Sad to see that amount of hatred against Lebanese Sunni among the Aounite!

]]> By: Joseph http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9236 Joseph Sat, 05 Jan 2008 06:58:45 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9236 Fadi, you must be kidding right or do you have a good case of amnesia, or is it possible you don't live in Lebanon? I have cousins who still to this day sit in Syrian prisons for no good reason other than speaking out against the Syrian occupation. Do you think I'll ever see their smiling faces again? I've had two girl cousins raped and one murdered. Why do you think I was such an big Aounist at one time. Because he believe in ridding Lebanon of these murderous thugs and fought with such tenacity and passion. And now he expects me to flip-flop because of his own political ambitions. I don't think so. Anyway, Two-thirds of Maronites voted for Gemayel during the Metn Elections and i'm sure you know this already. Since then, estimated support of Aoun has fallen even more. It is a real shame, believe me, i used to loved the guy and at one time thought he was the only honest broker left in Lebanon. So who do I fear? believe me, i don't even flinch, it's the Syrians along with HA for obvious reasons, not conspiracy theorist, far fetched imagined reasons. Are the Sunni perfect, do I fear the wahhabist, yes i do, but my fear is way down comparatively. And don't even get me started thinking about MPs going awol.... Fadi, you must be kidding right or do you have a good case of amnesia, or is it possible you don’t live in Lebanon?

I have cousins who still to this day sit in Syrian prisons for no good reason other than speaking out against the Syrian occupation. Do you think I’ll ever see their smiling faces again? I’ve had two girl cousins raped and one murdered. Why do you think I was such an big Aounist at one time. Because he believe in ridding Lebanon of these murderous thugs and fought with such tenacity and passion. And now he expects me to flip-flop because of his own political ambitions. I don’t think so.

Anyway, Two-thirds of Maronites voted for Gemayel during the Metn Elections and i’m sure you know this already. Since then, estimated support of Aoun has fallen even more. It is a real shame, believe me, i used to loved the guy and at one time thought he was the only honest broker left in Lebanon.

So who do I fear? believe me, i don’t even flinch, it’s the Syrians along with HA for obvious reasons, not conspiracy theorist, far fetched imagined reasons. Are the Sunni perfect, do I fear the wahhabist, yes i do, but my fear is way down comparatively.

And don’t even get me started thinking about MPs going awol….

]]> By: FADI (USA) http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9235 FADI (USA) Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:52:36 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9235 hehehehe.... Joseph.. Where did you get the 20 % of the Maronites follow General Aoun only? Did you get it from your crack head loser head?????? And yes be more Scare of the sunnis than the Syrians because with the Sunnis the existance of the Christians in Lebanon is in grate dangerous(thas only if you a Christian of course).Long Live General "AOUN" . God Bless Him. Amen hehehehe…. Joseph..

Where did you get the 20 % of the Maronites follow General Aoun only? Did you get it from your crack head loser head?????? And yes be more Scare of the sunnis than the Syrians because with the Sunnis the existance of the Christians in Lebanon is in grate dangerous(thas only if you a Christian of course).Long Live General “AOUN” . God Bless Him. Amen

]]> By: joseph http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9234 joseph Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:32:39 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2008/01/03/aouns-ennemy-switching/#comment-9234 sami,point well taken BUT, the last time we did this Syria ruled us and will do it again. Don't kid yourself, I guess you don't remember all the portraits of Assad at the airport and throughout the country,I guess you don't recall all the jailed lebanese beaten and tortured at the hands of our kind and lovely partners. This is where aoun has it wrong. Who should I be more fearful of Sunnis or syrians. He has manufactured this false sense of fear to further his own agenda. Most can see through it. Only roughly 20 percent Maronites follow him,only his hardcore supporters. Other former supporters of aoun like myself are now vapor by his own doing. sami,point well taken BUT, the last time we did this Syria ruled us and will do it again. Don’t kid yourself, I guess you don’t remember all the portraits of Assad at the airport and throughout the country,I guess you don’t recall all the jailed lebanese beaten and tortured at the hands of our kind and lovely partners. This is where aoun has it wrong. Who should I be more fearful of Sunnis or syrians. He has manufactured this false sense of fear to further his own agenda. Most can see through it. Only roughly 20 percent Maronites follow him,only his hardcore supporters. Other former supporters of aoun like myself are now vapor by his own doing.

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