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		<title>By: The Next Fight Will Be Over One Word &#124; The Beirut Spring, a Lebanese Blog</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/12/07/the-fawnfest-begins/#comment-8927</link>
		<dc:creator>The Next Fight Will Be Over One Word &#124; The Beirut Spring, a Lebanese Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 11:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as soon as next Monday. Expect a drawn out, nationwide brouhaha of fireworks, festivities and fawnfests [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as soon as next Monday. Expect a drawn out, nationwide brouhaha of fireworks, festivities and fawnfests [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raed</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/12/07/the-fawnfest-begins/#comment-8926</link>
		<dc:creator>Raed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree that this tendency of erecting banners to suck up to some politician is to say the least distasteful. I liked your previous entry and I linked to it in my new entry on Lebanon&#039;s &quot;presidentlessness&quot;! Check it out:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2007/12/no-government-n.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree that this tendency of erecting banners to suck up to some politician is to say the least distasteful. I liked your previous entry and I linked to it in my new entry on Lebanon&#8217;s &#8220;presidentlessness&#8221;! Check it out:</p>
<p><a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2007/12/no-government-n.html" rel="nofollow">http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2007/12/no-government-n.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/12/07/the-fawnfest-begins/#comment-8925</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To M Bashir,

You comment is clear and you make your point. I have nothing against you.

My problem is with Hizballah who&#039;s putting our country into deep shit and blindly obeying Iran and Welayat El Faqih. Yes it makes me very angry when I see this ongoing mascarade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To M Bashir,</p>
<p>You comment is clear and you make your point. I have nothing against you.</p>
<p>My problem is with Hizballah who&#8217;s putting our country into deep shit and blindly obeying Iran and Welayat El Faqih. Yes it makes me very angry when I see this ongoing mascarade.</p>
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		<title>By: M Bashir</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/12/07/the-fawnfest-begins/#comment-8924</link>
		<dc:creator>M Bashir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 09:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam
&lt;i&gt;With all respect to shiites, our brother in Islam, the problem is not religion or Sunnite/Shiite.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree with you.
Your other comments are out of topic.
I was just clarifying the fact that mosques and husseiniyet are two different places and that Sunnis do not call mosques husseiniyet.

I was not defending what you called &quot;Neo Safavid plan&quot;, and I really don&#039;t know how you came up with that conclusion from my comment.

Btw, Lebanese husseiniyet use Arabic, and they are not all identical. They are as diverse as the Lebanese themselves. Visit them, go to more than one, and more than once, maybe you can learn a bit about the culture of part of your people (I am assuming you are Lebanese and that you consider Shiites with Lebanese citizenship to be Lebanese).

As for the enlightening part, well it seems difficult to do, since - from the tone of your comment - you appear to be (and yes i am judging appearances) the type who misinterpret and is eager to jump to conclusions with a lot of anger.

Chill man, a lot can be won if you cool down, and there is a lot to life than a string of comments on a blog post (no offense Abu Stef)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam<br />
<i>With all respect to shiites, our brother in Islam, the problem is not religion or Sunnite/Shiite.</i></p>
<p>I agree with you.<br />
Your other comments are out of topic.<br />
I was just clarifying the fact that mosques and husseiniyet are two different places and that Sunnis do not call mosques husseiniyet.</p>
<p>I was not defending what you called &#8220;Neo Safavid plan&#8221;, and I really don&#8217;t know how you came up with that conclusion from my comment.</p>
<p>Btw, Lebanese husseiniyet use Arabic, and they are not all identical. They are as diverse as the Lebanese themselves. Visit them, go to more than one, and more than once, maybe you can learn a bit about the culture of part of your people (I am assuming you are Lebanese and that you consider Shiites with Lebanese citizenship to be Lebanese).</p>
<p>As for the enlightening part, well it seems difficult to do, since &#8211; from the tone of your comment &#8211; you appear to be (and yes i am judging appearances) the type who misinterpret and is eager to jump to conclusions with a lot of anger.</p>
<p>Chill man, a lot can be won if you cool down, and there is a lot to life than a string of comments on a blog post (no offense Abu Stef)</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/12/07/the-fawnfest-begins/#comment-8923</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To M Bashir, you seem very cultivated, enlighten me please :

- What is the language used in &#039;&#039;el Husayneyat&#039;&#039; for socializing : modern persian or old persian?

With all respect to shiites, our brother in Islam, the problem is not religion or Sunnite/Shiite. The problem is the Iranian manipulation of Arab Shiite in order to serve blindly the Neo Safavid plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To M Bashir, you seem very cultivated, enlighten me please :</p>
<p>- What is the language used in &#8221;el Husayneyat&#8221; for socializing : modern persian or old persian?</p>
<p>With all respect to shiites, our brother in Islam, the problem is not religion or Sunnite/Shiite. The problem is the Iranian manipulation of Arab Shiite in order to serve blindly the Neo Safavid plan.</p>
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		<title>By: JoseyWales</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/12/07/the-fawnfest-begins/#comment-8922</link>
		<dc:creator>JoseyWales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super D.

&lt;i&gt;Who are ‘asdika2 al jayish’ and the other one I saw was ‘Tajamou3 Shabab Beirut’.&lt;/i&gt;

Let me help, and I am just guessing here, but one &quot;group&quot; is Hikmat-the-grocer hoping the new regime will overlook his illegal use of the sidewalk.

And the other &quot;group&quot; is a couple of unemployed youths who get a few monthly liras from Syro-Leb mukhabarat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super D.</p>
<p><i>Who are ‘asdika2 al jayish’ and the other one I saw was ‘Tajamou3 Shabab Beirut’.</i></p>
<p>Let me help, and I am just guessing here, but one &#8220;group&#8221; is Hikmat-the-grocer hoping the new regime will overlook his illegal use of the sidewalk.</p>
<p>And the other &#8220;group&#8221; is a couple of unemployed youths who get a few monthly liras from Syro-Leb mukhabarat.</p>
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		<title>By: M Bashir</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/12/07/the-fawnfest-begins/#comment-8921</link>
		<dc:creator>M Bashir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sorry for not writing as often as I would like to. &lt;/i&gt;
welcome to the club :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sorry for not writing as often as I would like to. </i><br />
welcome to the club <img src='http://beirutspring.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: M Bashir</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/12/07/the-fawnfest-begins/#comment-8920</link>
		<dc:creator>M Bashir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeha:

&lt;i&gt;while they prefer to refer to their mosques as such, Sunnis prefer the term “husseiniyat”&lt;/i&gt;
&quot;husseiniyat&quot; are not mosques and are not used for worshipping, They are actually &quot;town halls&quot;, called &quot;el nadi el husseini&quot;. They do mark Lebanese Shiite villages in addition to the mosques, but whereas mosques are reserved for worshipping, &quot;husseiniyat&quot; are used as meeting places to pay condolences for lost ones, to listen to speeches by local political or religious leaders, for town meetings, to commemorate Ashura and stuff of that sort. The name &quot;el-nadi el husseini&quot; literally: the &quot;husseini club&quot;, is to honor of the revered martyr (some 1400 years ago) Immam Hussein (grandson of prophet Mohammad).

Sunnis in general know the difference between mosques and husseiniyat, but the bayyid wijj (most propably a man) who wrote the idiocy on the banner thought he was naming all sects and therefore creating some unity while in fact he is separating and segregating.
Allah - who supposedly visits all worship places - forgive him and have mercy on Lebanon...

These banners in Tripoli, and their likes in addition to photos on the walls around Beirut are reminiscence of the days before Lahoud&#039;s first election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeha:</p>
<p><i>while they prefer to refer to their mosques as such, Sunnis prefer the term “husseiniyat”</i><br />
&#8220;husseiniyat&#8221; are not mosques and are not used for worshipping, They are actually &#8220;town halls&#8221;, called &#8220;el nadi el husseini&#8221;. They do mark Lebanese Shiite villages in addition to the mosques, but whereas mosques are reserved for worshipping, &#8220;husseiniyat&#8221; are used as meeting places to pay condolences for lost ones, to listen to speeches by local political or religious leaders, for town meetings, to commemorate Ashura and stuff of that sort. The name &#8220;el-nadi el husseini&#8221; literally: the &#8220;husseini club&#8221;, is to honor of the revered martyr (some 1400 years ago) Immam Hussein (grandson of prophet Mohammad).</p>
<p>Sunnis in general know the difference between mosques and husseiniyat, but the bayyid wijj (most propably a man) who wrote the idiocy on the banner thought he was naming all sects and therefore creating some unity while in fact he is separating and segregating.<br />
Allah &#8211; who supposedly visits all worship places &#8211; forgive him and have mercy on Lebanon&#8230;</p>
<p>These banners in Tripoli, and their likes in addition to photos on the walls around Beirut are reminiscence of the days before Lahoud&#8217;s first election.</p>
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		<title>By: Super Dude</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/12/07/the-fawnfest-begins/#comment-8919</link>
		<dc:creator>Super Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although Jeha you might have a point when you say they are put up by moukhabart types.

Who are &#039;asdika2 al jayish&#039; and the other one I saw was &#039;Tajamou3 Shabab Beirut&#039;.

Very &#039;general&#039; groups in this case.

The government should issue a law against this kind of crap.

Ooops, I forgot, the government is illegal and it can&#039;t do that! :D

Mus. I hope you get well, e-mail? yes? no? maybe? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Jeha you might have a point when you say they are put up by moukhabart types.</p>
<p>Who are &#8216;asdika2 al jayish&#8217; and the other one I saw was &#8216;Tajamou3 Shabab Beirut&#8217;.</p>
<p>Very &#8216;general&#8217; groups in this case.</p>
<p>The government should issue a law against this kind of crap.</p>
<p>Ooops, I forgot, the government is illegal and it can&#8217;t do that! <img src='http://beirutspring.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mus. I hope you get well, e-mail? yes? no? maybe? <img src='http://beirutspring.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeha</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/12/07/the-fawnfest-begins/#comment-8918</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 07:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawrie;

“bayyideen wijj” litterally means &quot;those who whiten the face&quot;, but is translated simply as &quot;brow nosers&quot;.

As to translation of the posters, I choose two of the ones I see as most revealing;

1- &quot;prayer room (druze), Church(christian), husseiniyat (shiite), Mosque(sunni), Gnrl Suleiman in a Government unites all&quot;... Note here that this one rimes, but that some Shiites may not like it; while they prefer to refer to their mosques as such, Sunnis prefer the term &quot;husseiniyat&quot;... And the order shows a &quot;progression&quot; of sorts.

3- &quot;Today his (untranslatable brow nose term) General, Tomorrow his excellency the President General&quot;...

... As you see, it is painfully stupid and vapid display of fawning, and Mustapha does well to point out this lower aspect of Lebanese politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrie;</p>
<p>“bayyideen wijj” litterally means &#8220;those who whiten the face&#8221;, but is translated simply as &#8220;brow nosers&#8221;.</p>
<p>As to translation of the posters, I choose two of the ones I see as most revealing;</p>
<p>1- &#8220;prayer room (druze), Church(christian), husseiniyat (shiite), Mosque(sunni), Gnrl Suleiman in a Government unites all&#8221;&#8230; Note here that this one rimes, but that some Shiites may not like it; while they prefer to refer to their mosques as such, Sunnis prefer the term &#8220;husseiniyat&#8221;&#8230; And the order shows a &#8220;progression&#8221; of sorts.</p>
<p>3- &#8220;Today his (untranslatable brow nose term) General, Tomorrow his excellency the President General&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; As you see, it is painfully stupid and vapid display of fawning, and Mustapha does well to point out this lower aspect of Lebanese politics.</p>
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