Comments on: Compromise Compromised http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/ Blogging Lebanese politics, business and society since 2005 Wed, 23 May 2012 14:09:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: S http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8445 S Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:26:42 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8445 I find it funny that we're only good at attacking the opposition and Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah and we ignore the fact that Israel is the worst aggressor in the Middle East and that it can attack Lebanon at any time. I DO NOT WANT HEZBOLLAH TO DISARM. Because Hezbollah is the only protection we really have against the Zionists. The purpose of Hezbollah is to defend its land and the people within its border. Disarmament is not possible at this time since the Israeli army is still within the borders aiming at the people and the land. Hezbollah can only be dissolved once the Lebanese army is strong enough to protect the land and the people. Only when there will be a constitutional Lebanese government (with a strong army) that will be able to protect us against the Israeli war machine and that will represent ALL THE LEBANESE equally, and only when Israel will stop occupying parts of our land and gives us back the Lebanese prisoners it illegaly kidnapped during its illegal occupation, then maybe we can think of disarming Hezbollah. But until then, there is no way that we will disarm the Lebanese resistance, an independent organization that NEVER used its weapons inside Leb against the Lebanese civilians, unlike other political groups and leaders in Lebanon, and that is there to defend its country and its people AGAINST ISRAEL. If there is no resistance, ISRAEL WILL BE OCCUPYING ALL OF SOUTH LEBANON AND EVEN BEIRUT. WE NEED THE RESISTANCE TO STOP ISRAEL FROM KILLING OUR PEOPLE AND COMMITTING WAR CRIMES AGAINST US. We need a government to understands this and not a government that is controlled by THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA which is only there to serve the Zionists' interests. How come you never mention all of those important points in your posts? I find it funny that we’re only good at attacking the opposition and Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah and we ignore the fact that Israel is the worst aggressor in the Middle East and that it can attack Lebanon at any time.

I DO NOT WANT HEZBOLLAH TO DISARM. Because Hezbollah is the only protection we really have against the Zionists. The purpose of Hezbollah is to defend its land and the people within its border. Disarmament is not possible at this time since the Israeli army is still within the borders aiming at the people and the land. Hezbollah can only be dissolved once the Lebanese army is strong enough to protect the land and the people. Only when there will be a constitutional Lebanese government (with a strong army) that will be able to protect us against the Israeli war machine and that will represent ALL THE LEBANESE equally, and only when Israel will stop occupying parts of our land and gives us back the Lebanese prisoners it illegaly kidnapped during its illegal occupation, then maybe we can think of disarming Hezbollah. But until then, there is no way that we will disarm the Lebanese resistance, an independent organization that NEVER used its weapons inside Leb against the Lebanese civilians, unlike other political groups and leaders in Lebanon, and that is there to defend its country and its people AGAINST ISRAEL. If there is no resistance, ISRAEL WILL BE OCCUPYING ALL OF SOUTH LEBANON AND EVEN BEIRUT. WE NEED THE RESISTANCE TO STOP ISRAEL FROM KILLING OUR PEOPLE AND COMMITTING WAR CRIMES AGAINST US.

We need a government to understands this and not a government that is controlled by THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA which is only there to serve the Zionists’ interests.

How come you never mention all of those important points in your posts?

]]> By: Jay http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8444 Jay Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:20:27 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8444 Sami... Aren't you the one who comments on NowLebanon and constantly attacking M14. Here's a sample of your brilliant comments there: "This writer is a ZIONIST, his real name is most likely Taylor Eipstein.Many change their names so what they say may be accepted.Visit this sight and respond: iamthewitness.com.It is a shame that Now Lebanon allowes zionists to poison our minds." Sami…

Aren’t you the one who comments on NowLebanon and constantly attacking M14.

Here’s a sample of your brilliant comments there:
“This writer is a ZIONIST, his real name is most likely Taylor Eipstein.Many change their names so what they say may be accepted.Visit this sight and respond: iamthewitness.com.It is a shame that Now Lebanon allowes zionists to poison our minds.”

]]> By: Ace http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8443 Ace Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:48:41 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8443 There are two things I believe firmly. 1.Iran does not want a civil war and Syria does. 2. Nasrallah can't not accept a loss here. So, who is he going to follow - Iran? or Syria? My money is still on regional war + internal chaos to derail the whole process. Oh yeah .. Aoun is not even part of the equation, he is nothing but a pawn. He has been used like a tissue. There are two things I believe firmly. 1.Iran does not want a civil war and Syria does. 2. Nasrallah can’t not accept a loss here. So, who is he going to follow – Iran? or Syria?

My money is still on regional war + internal chaos to derail the whole process.

Oh yeah .. Aoun is not even part of the equation, he is nothing but a pawn. He has been used like a tissue.

]]> By: Abraham http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8442 Abraham Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:43:53 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8442 Fedup Express, you're right, it may lead to a civil war, but this war will be faught with potatos. Baked vs Fried. Which one do you think is more righteous? Fedup Express, you’re right, it may lead to a civil war, but this war will be faught with potatos. Baked vs Fried. Which one do you think is more righteous?

]]> By: Lewis http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8441 Lewis Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:42:19 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8441 Sami said <i>The opposition first asked for a national unity government, it was refused. Then they asked for early elections, and this suggestion was also refused.</i> Would you take two seconds and think about what these "solutions" really are? How can you ask for a unity government when you don't agree with the present majority government, and they don't agree with you? How can you ask for a unity government when you simply have an agenda that you want to go ahead with, and to hell with everyone else? How can you ask for early elections? Do you just want to hold new elections every time the actual elections don't give you the result you want? What is that going to accomplish? These are non-solutions. These are demands. "Give in to our demands." You actually have to work at a compromise, work at the trust, to make me think a solution is being proposed. Simply saying "agree with us and give us what we want" is no solution. Nasrallah is not interested in trust, he is only interested in keeping his weapons. Sami, do you know what the most important part of a democracy is? The ORDERLY AND REGULAR TRANSFER OF POWER. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS FOR THE SURVIVAL OF DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS. If you just have a new election right after one you didn't like, then you are in effect supporting a coup, or revolution. That is not democracy. If you refuse to hold regular elections, then you are supporting authoritarianism. Democracy doesn't mean get your party elected and then fuck democracy. ORDERLY and REGULAR. Sami said
The opposition first asked for a national unity government, it was refused. Then they asked for early elections, and this suggestion was also refused.

Would you take two seconds and think about what these “solutions” really are? How can you ask for a unity government when you don’t agree with the present majority government, and they don’t agree with you? How can you ask for a unity government when you simply have an agenda that you want to go ahead with, and to hell with everyone else?

How can you ask for early elections? Do you just want to hold new elections every time the actual elections don’t give you the result you want? What is that going to accomplish?

These are non-solutions. These are demands. “Give in to our demands.” You actually have to work at a compromise, work at the trust, to make me think a solution is being proposed. Simply saying “agree with us and give us what we want” is no solution. Nasrallah is not interested in trust, he is only interested in keeping his weapons.

Sami, do you know what the most important part of a democracy is? The ORDERLY AND REGULAR TRANSFER OF POWER. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS FOR THE SURVIVAL OF DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS.

If you just have a new election right after one you didn’t like, then you are in effect supporting a coup, or revolution. That is not democracy. If you refuse to hold regular elections, then you are supporting authoritarianism. Democracy doesn’t mean get your party elected and then fuck democracy.

ORDERLY and REGULAR.

]]> By: FED UP http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8440 FED UP Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:55:26 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8440 I have a question does this mean civil war, coz i really hope not. What do you think? I have a question does this mean civil war, coz i really hope not. What do you think?

]]> By: External Viewer http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8439 External Viewer Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:46:42 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8439 mustapha: I'm glad you are finally taking a hard stance. M14 were softening up their position as we see it. It's high time that they see the light. The opposition is too engulfed in deadly alliances to backup from serving their foreign masters. They really don't care about lebanon and have happily recruited a madman to serve their cause. We are heading to a confrontation, which will undoubtedly defuse some tensions and hopefully, bring back people to their senses. mustapha:
I’m glad you are finally taking a hard stance. M14 were softening up their position as we see it. It’s high time that they see the light. The opposition is too engulfed in deadly alliances to backup from serving their foreign masters. They really don’t care about lebanon and have happily recruited a madman to serve their cause.

We are heading to a confrontation, which will undoubtedly defuse some tensions and hopefully, bring back people to their senses.

]]> By: Traffic http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8438 Traffic Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:44:25 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8438 Sami, HHHMMM How about March 14's solution that the constitution be applied for once and we go to an election in parliament? Sami,

HHHMMM How about March 14′s solution that the constitution be applied for once and we go to an election in parliament?

]]> By: m http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8437 m Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:27:08 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8437 Sami, I'm going to make this very short. What do the 'solutions' that the opposition have presented actually solve? The opposition has always presented 'solutions' on their terms, their vision of Lebanon, and in essence Syria and Iran's idea of how Lebanon should be governed. Sami,

I’m going to make this very short.

What do the ‘solutions’ that the opposition have presented actually solve?

The opposition has always presented ‘solutions’ on their terms, their vision of Lebanon, and in essence Syria and Iran’s idea of how Lebanon should be governed.

]]> By: Sami http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8436 Sami Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:05:44 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/11/15/compromise-compromised/#comment-8436 Mus, I'm sorry but this is one of your weaker posts. If March 14 go ahead and do what they want, good for them. But how have they solved the issue with Hezbollah? How are they going to disarm them? What will they solve? Not much. The opposition has proposed many solutions and all were blatantly rejected. There was no other solution proposed by March 14!!! The opposition first asked for a national unity government, it was refused. Then they asked for early elections, and this suggestion was also refused. They suggested the reform of the Constitution to have direct elections by the people, it was refused under the pretext that the Muslims will then elect the president and this objection came from people who were themselves elected by a Muslim majority in the 2005 parliamentary elections. The issue of Hezbollah can be solved by electing a president which can build TRUST among all parties. Why are Geagea and Jumblatt so scared of Aoun? Mus, I’m sorry but this is one of your weaker posts.

If March 14 go ahead and do what they want, good for them. But how have they solved the issue with Hezbollah? How are they going to disarm them? What will they solve? Not much.

The opposition has proposed many solutions and all were blatantly rejected. There was no other solution proposed by March 14!!!
The opposition first asked for a national unity government, it was refused. Then they asked for early elections, and this suggestion was also refused. They suggested the reform of the Constitution to have direct elections by the people, it was refused under the pretext that the Muslims will then elect the president and this objection came from people who were themselves elected by a Muslim majority in the 2005 parliamentary elections.

The issue of Hezbollah can be solved by electing a president which can build TRUST among all parties. Why are Geagea and Jumblatt so scared of Aoun?

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