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	<title>Comments on: Amnesty: Lebanon Discriminating Against Palestinians</title>
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		<title>By: Kredyt hipoteczny</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/17/amnesty-lebanon-discriminating-against-palestinians/#comment-8131</link>
		<dc:creator>Kredyt hipoteczny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realy good Blog! Thaks for It!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realy good Blog! Thaks for It!</p>
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		<title>By: Dory</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/17/amnesty-lebanon-discriminating-against-palestinians/#comment-8130</link>
		<dc:creator>Dory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mustapha,
&quot;The continuing restrictions which deny Palestinian refugees access to their rights to work, education and adequate housing and health are wholly unjustified and should be lifted without further procrastination or delay.&quot;&quot;
” The continuing restrictions, which deny Lebanese authorities, access to the camps and its right to disarm the outlaw factions and terrorist organizations, which infect the camps intimidating the population and using their laundered money as incentive to take women as wives.
“They continue to be denied the right to adequate housing, due to unacceptable levels of habitability, restrictions on property ownership and, in camps in the south of Lebanon, unreasonable restrictions which have been imposed on their right to repair or improve their homes. Amnesty International has documented cases of Palestinian refugees being intimidated, fined and detained simply for seeking to build a brick wall to protect their home from the elements.”
 Well, to amnesty international, I say those outlaw camps if not permitted to build brick walls, as the report mentions to protect their home from the element, they had the available funds to build a military infrastructures i.e. underground tunnels for arms smuggling. I have a question to ask here: What type of structure needs more funding, brick walls or underground tunnels? A question that needs to be reflected upon.  Those illegal practices, wholly unjustified, should be stopped without further procrastination or delay!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mustapha,<br />
&#8220;The continuing restrictions which deny Palestinian refugees access to their rights to work, education and adequate housing and health are wholly unjustified and should be lifted without further procrastination or delay.&#8221;"<br />
” The continuing restrictions, which deny Lebanese authorities, access to the camps and its right to disarm the outlaw factions and terrorist organizations, which infect the camps intimidating the population and using their laundered money as incentive to take women as wives.<br />
“They continue to be denied the right to adequate housing, due to unacceptable levels of habitability, restrictions on property ownership and, in camps in the south of Lebanon, unreasonable restrictions which have been imposed on their right to repair or improve their homes. Amnesty International has documented cases of Palestinian refugees being intimidated, fined and detained simply for seeking to build a brick wall to protect their home from the elements.”<br />
 Well, to amnesty international, I say those outlaw camps if not permitted to build brick walls, as the report mentions to protect their home from the element, they had the available funds to build a military infrastructures i.e. underground tunnels for arms smuggling. I have a question to ask here: What type of structure needs more funding, brick walls or underground tunnels? A question that needs to be reflected upon.  Those illegal practices, wholly unjustified, should be stopped without further procrastination or delay!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Riemer Brouwer</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/17/amnesty-lebanon-discriminating-against-palestinians/#comment-8129</link>
		<dc:creator>Riemer Brouwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 06:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeha
Most likely, local labor wages will actually *drop*, not rise. It&#039;s a simple matter of supply and demand: with new employees seeking jobs, the employers will choose the cheapest labor force.

You are assuming that Palestinians will replace the Syrian workers and that the Palestinians will demand higher salaries. Both assumptions are not necessarily correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeha<br />
Most likely, local labor wages will actually *drop*, not rise. It&#8217;s a simple matter of supply and demand: with new employees seeking jobs, the employers will choose the cheapest labor force.</p>
<p>You are assuming that Palestinians will replace the Syrian workers and that the Palestinians will demand higher salaries. Both assumptions are not necessarily correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Mustapha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mustapha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guys,

I think most of you are right, Lebanon is for a large part not to blame for the Palestinian refugees&#039; plight,

but Dory, how is watching a humanitarian disaster taking place, and trying to do something about bad? This is not about Arabism, this is Amnesty International after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guys,</p>
<p>I think most of you are right, Lebanon is for a large part not to blame for the Palestinian refugees&#8217; plight,</p>
<p>but Dory, how is watching a humanitarian disaster taking place, and trying to do something about bad? This is not about Arabism, this is Amnesty International after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dory</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/17/amnesty-lebanon-discriminating-against-palestinians/#comment-8127</link>
		<dc:creator>Dory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough Hypocracy! enough using arabism and islam and brotherhood to leverage the Palestinian cause. The palestinian refugees could have had the best quality of life and the most organized camps living with dignity had the PLO donate to its own people part of its petro dollars that have been accumulated in swiss banks and then inherited by lucky wife! (billions of dollars). The refugee problem is not lebanese nor jordanian etc, its the problem of palestinian authority and its inefficiency and corruption. Stop blaming us for the inefficiency of others. If Soha arafat and the PLO only donate 10% of the money Arafat accumulated this issue would be closed long time ago. God dammit Leave Lebanon Alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough Hypocracy! enough using arabism and islam and brotherhood to leverage the Palestinian cause. The palestinian refugees could have had the best quality of life and the most organized camps living with dignity had the PLO donate to its own people part of its petro dollars that have been accumulated in swiss banks and then inherited by lucky wife! (billions of dollars). The refugee problem is not lebanese nor jordanian etc, its the problem of palestinian authority and its inefficiency and corruption. Stop blaming us for the inefficiency of others. If Soha arafat and the PLO only donate 10% of the money Arafat accumulated this issue would be closed long time ago. God dammit Leave Lebanon Alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/17/amnesty-lebanon-discriminating-against-palestinians/#comment-8126</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Lebanese born out of a Lebanese mother and foreign father do not have the citizenship right...

Palestians were discriminated against becomes of laws not allowing them to work so that Syrian workers can do the jobs...

Palestinians cut their own throat in the 70&quot;&#039;s &quot;trying to liberate Quds through Jounieh&quot;...

I say it is time to let civility back to Lebanon. Of course HA will disagree as everything to them is a matter of Shiite power! They have worked hard enough through the years (still now...) forcing Christians and other Lebanese of different sects to immigrate...They&#039;ll never allow any rights to the Palestinians!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Lebanese born out of a Lebanese mother and foreign father do not have the citizenship right&#8230;</p>
<p>Palestians were discriminated against becomes of laws not allowing them to work so that Syrian workers can do the jobs&#8230;</p>
<p>Palestinians cut their own throat in the 70&#8243;&#8216;s &#8220;trying to liberate Quds through Jounieh&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>I say it is time to let civility back to Lebanon. Of course HA will disagree as everything to them is a matter of Shiite power! They have worked hard enough through the years (still now&#8230;) forcing Christians and other Lebanese of different sects to immigrate&#8230;They&#8217;ll never allow any rights to the Palestinians!</p>
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		<title>By: leo</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/17/amnesty-lebanon-discriminating-against-palestinians/#comment-8125</link>
		<dc:creator>leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see. $200M+ Arabs in the ME spread over 20+ countries cannot find room for 500K Palestinian refugees and accept them as equals.

Can anyone tell me if there is something wrong with this picture?


This one is specifically for Lebanese.

How did Civil War start? What caused it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see. $200M+ Arabs in the ME spread over 20+ countries cannot find room for 500K Palestinian refugees and accept them as equals.</p>
<p>Can anyone tell me if there is something wrong with this picture?</p>
<p>This one is specifically for Lebanese.</p>
<p>How did Civil War start? What caused it?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Cox</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/17/amnesty-lebanon-discriminating-against-palestinians/#comment-8124</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any that were born in Lebanon should be full citizens. No questions. Anyone is entitled to full citizenship of the country they were born in.

Conversely, if they were born in Lebanon, they are _not_ automatically entitled to citizenship of any new Palestinian state, or of Jordan, Syria, Egypt or wherever else their great-grandparents came from.

Nor do they have any particular right to move to Canada or wherever, as they are in no danger where they are. They are not refugees, even if their parents or grandparents were.

It looks to me as though the Lebanese are operating a kind of apartheid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any that were born in Lebanon should be full citizens. No questions. Anyone is entitled to full citizenship of the country they were born in.</p>
<p>Conversely, if they were born in Lebanon, they are _not_ automatically entitled to citizenship of any new Palestinian state, or of Jordan, Syria, Egypt or wherever else their great-grandparents came from.</p>
<p>Nor do they have any particular right to move to Canada or wherever, as they are in no danger where they are. They are not refugees, even if their parents or grandparents were.</p>
<p>It looks to me as though the Lebanese are operating a kind of apartheid.</p>
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		<title>By: M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mustapha - must disagree with you here.  Regardless of whether they are citizens or not is irrelevant.  They are currently in lebanon and deserve to be treated as people.  It&#039;s standard procedure in many countries to give non-citizens the same rights as citizens (with some extra paperwork called visas).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mustapha &#8211; must disagree with you here.  Regardless of whether they are citizens or not is irrelevant.  They are currently in lebanon and deserve to be treated as people.  It&#8217;s standard procedure in many countries to give non-citizens the same rights as citizens (with some extra paperwork called visas).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew The American</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew The American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do the Arabs not look at the Philistines as their own family - what real differences are there

Langiage - Arabic

Religin - Muslim

Ethnicity - Arab

so whats the problem ?

Would you treat Arabians or Jordanians like this ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do the Arabs not look at the Philistines as their own family &#8211; what real differences are there</p>
<p>Langiage &#8211; Arabic</p>
<p>Religin &#8211; Muslim</p>
<p>Ethnicity &#8211; Arab</p>
<p>so whats the problem ?</p>
<p>Would you treat Arabians or Jordanians like this ?</p>
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