Comments on: Lebanese Christians Attempt To Speak With One Voice http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/ Blogging Lebanese politics, business and society since 2005 Wed, 23 May 2012 14:09:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: kheireddine http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8019 kheireddine Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:37:50 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8019 f...off Ralph... f…off Ralph…

]]> By: Ralf http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8018 Ralf Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:32:19 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8018 YOU only make yourself a second class citizen, your religion does not have anything to do with it! You talk to me as if I was a xtian myself. what makes you so sure that I'm not a sunni just like you totaly disgusted by the way sunnis are behaving in Lebanon and other countries? I'm not saying that the other communities are not as disgusting as the sunnis. I'm saying that they all are rubish and none better than the other. You should work on your complexe d'inferiorite kheireddin, first you keep reminding us who your grandpa was (and not who YOU are!) and second you put yourself in a group of second class citizens, and third you want to be an arab! pfffff somebody help this guy. YOU only make yourself a second class citizen, your religion does not have anything to do with it! You talk to me as if I was a xtian myself. what makes you so sure that I’m not a sunni just like you totaly disgusted by the way sunnis are behaving in Lebanon and other countries? I’m not saying that the other communities are not as disgusting as the sunnis. I’m saying that they all are rubish and none better than the other. You should work on your complexe d’inferiorite kheireddin, first you keep reminding us who your grandpa was (and not who YOU are!) and second you put yourself in a group of second class citizens, and third you want to be an arab! pfffff somebody help this guy.

]]> By: kheireddine http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8017 kheireddine Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:34:45 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8017 Issa Ghorayeb wrote today in L'orient- le-Jour: 'Le temps n’est plus, c’est vrai, où le Grand Liban était créé au bénéfice surtout des maronites. C’est toujours, c’est invariablement à ces derniers pourtant qu’il incombe de veiller à la pérennité d’un paradis en voie de se perdre. Pour tout le monde.' ...and it not with prejudice and hatred that Lebanon will be saved. Issa Ghorayeb wrote today in L’orient- le-Jour:

‘Le temps n’est plus, c’est vrai, où le Grand Liban était créé au bénéfice surtout des maronites. C’est toujours, c’est invariablement à ces derniers pourtant qu’il incombe de veiller à la pérennité d’un paradis en voie de se perdre. Pour tout le monde.’

…and it not with prejudice and hatred that Lebanon will be saved.

]]> By: kheireddine http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8016 kheireddine Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:22:59 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8016 Amazing...Ralph you don't know me enough to talk about me. You are expressing so much prejudice against more than 60% of the Lebanese people. Let me tell you something, Lebanese Muslims don't accept anymore to be second class citizens or be considered to be less Lebanese than the Christians. You don't understand that we can be at the same time Lebanese ans Arabs. Instead of thinking about building a new Lebanon based on true friendship between Christians and Muslims, people like you keep on ranting about the past... Amazing…Ralph you don’t know me enough to talk about me. You are expressing so much prejudice against more than 60% of the Lebanese people. Let me tell you something, Lebanese Muslims don’t accept anymore to be second class citizens or be considered to be less Lebanese than the Christians. You don’t understand that we can be at the same time Lebanese ans Arabs. Instead of thinking about building a new Lebanon based on true friendship between Christians and Muslims, people like you keep on ranting about the past…

]]> By: Ralf http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8015 Ralf Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:04:41 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8015 I am not fooled by Aoun, but don't be fooled either by hariri and jumblat! i'm sick of people defending march 14 leaders who are after all the crap of the crap, when syria was breast feeding them they sucked her dry and all of a sudden when syria killed hariri they turned to be the biggest patriots??? I'm sorry, patriotism is something you grow since you are born, you don't become patriot all of a sudden!!! but i know what kind of patriotism these guys have, one that bashar was talking about a couple of days earlier: Arab patriotisme, not lebanese, ARAB! they are fighting for the independance of lebanon from assads syria because this syria is no longer following the arab line, but they will reembrace syria once assad is out and a sunni comes to power, and they will recall the oumma al arabia, and push lebanon back in the arab-palestinian line that half the population refuses!!! please, it is obvious, guys like kheireddin were raised to recognize nothing but the arab culture and to erase any other culture. that is unfortunately the sunni way of dealing with occupied territory, wherever they went, they destroyed the past, peoples identity, erased the culture, left nothing standing or converted it into a mosque or desagrated it! ma3lech! our memory is not that short, we have souvenirs from before feb 2005, another erasing history date! since that date the sunni wants us to forget the past because they decided to change direction. i know exactly where to situate myself, and you should read more psychology if you want to start analyzing people! i'm against this bad corrupted political class that has been leading the country for 25 years or more now. ALL OF THEM!!! none is better than the other, they all have their agenda that follows only their community's well being and poos on the others. And i advise you and the others to stop supporting any of them if you want a real country. If you insist on staying with them, then Lebanon will at least be divided in multiple pieces, and lets pray that this process goes peacefuly and not have it divided 1975's way. I am not fooled by Aoun, but don’t be fooled either by hariri and jumblat! i’m sick of people defending march 14 leaders who are after all the crap of the crap, when syria was breast feeding them they sucked her dry and all of a sudden when syria killed hariri they turned to be the biggest patriots??? I’m sorry, patriotism is something you grow since you are born, you don’t become patriot all of a sudden!!! but i know what kind of patriotism these guys have, one that bashar was talking about a couple of days earlier: Arab patriotisme, not lebanese, ARAB! they are fighting for the independance of lebanon from assads syria because this syria is no longer following the arab line, but they will reembrace syria once assad is out and a sunni comes to power, and they will recall the oumma al arabia, and push lebanon back in the arab-palestinian line that half the population refuses!!! please, it is obvious, guys like kheireddin were raised to recognize nothing but the arab culture and to erase any other culture. that is unfortunately the sunni way of dealing with occupied territory, wherever they went, they destroyed the past, peoples identity, erased the culture, left nothing standing or converted it into a mosque or desagrated it! ma3lech! our memory is not that short, we have souvenirs from before feb 2005, another erasing history date! since that date the sunni wants us to forget the past because they decided to change direction.
i know exactly where to situate myself, and you should read more psychology if you want to start analyzing people! i’m against this bad corrupted political class that has been leading the country for 25 years or more now. ALL OF THEM!!! none is better than the other, they all have their agenda that follows only their community’s well being and poos on the others. And i advise you and the others to stop supporting any of them if you want a real country. If you insist on staying with them, then Lebanon will at least be divided in multiple pieces, and lets pray that this process goes peacefuly and not have it divided 1975′s way.

]]> By: kheireddine http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8014 kheireddine Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:40:01 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8014 Yeslam hal tem ya Dory! Yeslam hal tem ya Dory!

]]> By: dory http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8013 dory Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:15:28 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8013 Ralph, You seem to be suffering from a "battle stigma". It is exhausting both physically and emotionally. No hard feelings but it is a common symptom among the Lebanese who cannot situate themselves in this puzzeling political situation. On one hand you understand the aounists yet you call them blind, on the other hand you seem to agree with the `schizofrenic general' yet you call him a stupid!!. Moreover you reprobate the M14 leaders because of their historical ties with Syria yet you forget to mention Wahab, Irslan, SSNP and last but not least the general's zealous defender-Sleiman Franjieh-who openly said that if Bashar Assad is convicted with the assasinations he will remain an ally!! I agree with you when you critisize M14 shamefull allience with Syria but those people starting from Hmadeh, paid the high price when they have violated the terms of the game Syria have set for them. Don't be fooled by Aoun's fervid and vehement statements, portraying himself the defender of the christians and the guarantor of their existance in the east! Remeber that hallow he is enjoying is nothing but a debt he owes to those very christians he had authorized to kill each others. Just ask yourself the question, How could a convict(according to Lebanese law)! in Paris suddenly returns to Lebanon and blows the cedar revolution to pieces. He was the man for the job. Lahoud, wahab and company have suceeded with the instructions of the syrians to get him back free like a bird with one mission-breaking the back of the popular uprising against the syrian regime. For once, the Sunni leadership stood amid all dangers with the christians for lebanon's autonomy and independence. Its a lifetime opportunity to seize that national sentiment and have what we always faught for. No one was a more impassioned by Aoun than me in the 90's but I still have my senses and my sanity. Ralph,
You seem to be suffering from a “battle stigma”. It is exhausting both physically and emotionally. No hard feelings but it is a common symptom among the Lebanese who cannot situate themselves in this puzzeling political situation. On one hand you understand the aounists yet you call them blind, on the other hand you seem to agree with the `schizofrenic general’ yet you call him a stupid!!. Moreover you reprobate the M14 leaders because of their historical ties with Syria yet you forget to mention Wahab, Irslan, SSNP and last but not least the general’s zealous defender-Sleiman Franjieh-who openly said that if Bashar Assad is convicted with the assasinations he will remain an ally!! I agree with you when you critisize M14 shamefull allience with Syria but those people starting from Hmadeh, paid the high price when they have violated the terms of the game Syria have set for them. Don’t be fooled by Aoun’s fervid and vehement statements, portraying himself the defender of the christians and the guarantor of their existance in the east! Remeber that hallow he is enjoying is nothing but a debt he owes to those very christians he had authorized to kill each others. Just ask yourself the question, How could a convict(according to Lebanese law)! in Paris suddenly returns to Lebanon and blows the cedar revolution to pieces. He was the man for the job. Lahoud, wahab and company have suceeded with the instructions of the syrians to get him back free like a bird with one mission-breaking the back of the popular uprising against the syrian regime. For once, the Sunni leadership stood amid all dangers with the christians for lebanon’s autonomy and independence. Its a lifetime opportunity to seize that national sentiment and have what we always faught for. No one was a more impassioned by Aoun than me in the 90′s but I still have my senses and my sanity.

]]> By: kheireddine http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8012 kheireddine Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:46:02 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8012 It is none of your business, Istiz Ralf. It is none of your business, Istiz Ralf.

]]> By: Ralf http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8011 Ralf Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:14:45 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8011 I always used to chew gum in algebra classes, and that pissed only one person: the teacher! (You want my grades in school?) I also learned from algebra not to leave anyone outside the equation. Aounis can't be 100% stupid, they have a stupid leader, charismatic, loved and followed blindly by many, but many aounis follow him because they know that the rest are not better, and they are 100% right on this, we've seen where the 14ers got us with their bad decisions since march 14 afternoon until this second. Anyway, we all agree that its a f...ed up place, and we always wanted it that way! Ask your poetry fan Kheiredin what kind of lebanon he wants? one where HE only will be happy! mech heik kheireddin? yek yek yek I always used to chew gum in algebra classes, and that pissed only one person: the teacher! (You want my grades in school?) I also learned from algebra not to leave anyone outside the equation. Aounis can’t be 100% stupid, they have a stupid leader, charismatic, loved and followed blindly by many, but many aounis follow him because they know that the rest are not better, and they are 100% right on this, we’ve seen where the 14ers got us with their bad decisions since march 14 afternoon until this second.
Anyway, we all agree that its a f…ed up place, and we always wanted it that way! Ask your poetry fan Kheiredin what kind of lebanon he wants? one where HE only will be happy! mech heik kheireddin? yek yek yek

]]> By: dory http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8010 dory Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:17:06 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/10/10/lebanese-christians-attempt-to-speak-with-one-voice/#comment-8010 Ralph, respoding to that: "I used to think that the aounis were Aholes but the more I spend time on this blog the more I understand their point of view and their tactical move (That I still totaly disaprove)" might be like solving an algebra eaquation while chewing a bubble gum. Ralph,
respoding to that: “I used to think that the aounis were Aholes but the more I spend time on this blog the more I understand their point of view and their tactical move (That I still totaly disaprove)” might be like solving an algebra eaquation while chewing a bubble gum.

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