
If you want to understand what’s the great fuss about the presidency, read this excellent piece by Micheal Young in the wall street Journal.(H/T tony)

Hello, my name is Mustapha and I blog in The Beirut Spring about Lebanese society and politics. I started in February 2005 after the killing of P.M. Rafik Hariri.


I will never subsribe to this ridicolous Feb14 line that you Mustafa espouse.
The Taif constitution allows the Shites 20% of Parliaments seats. These are the Pro-Syrians that you refer to always. They will never have the numbers to control the Parliament or Government nor will they ever have the numbers for veto.
In order for veto, the votes of the C&R bloc led by the FPM are needed. This is where the propoganda for 2 years has portrayed the C&R as Pro-Syrian. Mustafa time for honesty on this issue and for you to admit that the C&R bloc will never do the bidding of anyone ther than Lebanon.
If you want to take the reality that the C&R are not Pro-Syrian into account, then explain to us how Syria can control Lebanon again????
If you want to keep to the line that the C&R bloc are Pro-Syrian, then you are masking a much bigger internal Political agenda in which the FPM are seen as an enemy.
Please go beyong the simple and hard to believe slogans and explore Lebanese politics in a deeper way.
Jihad,
What are you talking about? We are at the brink of war, Anti-Syrian MPs are being assassinated and ….. Aoun is helping Lebanon while allied with HA and saying “either I’m President or there will be an explosion”!? Of course, how silly of me. Aoun is helping us. He must be like one of those fathers who beats their child to death and says that it’s for their own good. I guess I wasn’t deep enough. But, since you’re deep, how exactly is Aoun benefiting Lebanon??
Anonomous, you don’t like the idea that the FPM is allied to Hizballah, like the 14th Feb was until last year, that is your business.
Why don’t you try and explain, leaving the propaganda that the FPM is pro-Syrian in the rubbish bin it belongs in, how “Pro-Syrians (Shites)” will take over Lebanon. I asked Mustafa to explain this seriously, leaving the FPM pro Syrian lie aside.
Is M. Young opining for civil war in Lebanon?
He’s certainly trying his damnest best, including resorting to cliches and innuendos and threatening with fire and brimstone scenarios, a la his neo-con mentors, if M14, and consequently their patron the US do not get their total way.
The real catastrophe is if the Lebanese do not elect a president acceptable to all. Where are the M14 think they’re going if they snub their noses and elect their own president in some smelly Beirut alley? They know the opposition will not relent. So why do they keep pushing the country to the breaking point? What is it they’ve been promised? What are they waiting for?
good article by Michael Young. Straight to the point.
To Jihad Haddad, you’re criticizing without giving any alternatives. And no Aoun is not an alternative. Aoun is the problem. I do not believe Aoun to be Pro-Syrian. I think that is a ridiculous claim, but Aoun needs to put a stop to his ambiguity. Since his return to Lebanon Aoun has been very vocal about not accusing Syria before the end of the results, yet he thinks the majority in the government don’t deserve this luxury. he throws accusations left and right (all without any proof), but when someone points the finger at Syria, he takes offense somehow.
So you can’t be surprised if some think he has become Pro-Syrian. Aoun neds to understand that the people that respected did so because he had principles. When he allied himself to Hezballah, that was the beginning of the end for him. And don’t give me the “but the M14 ppl were allied to Hezballah back then”. Some people (most I think) expect much more from Aoun then we expect from the current government. But he showed us that he is no better.
SO what is the option left? Neither the orange loving Napoleon, nor the the truth fielding thief. I hope a real independant comes forward and sends both of these march 14th march 8th people back to their village.
To Mr. Jihad
Aoun is psychopath with various mental disorders : he is megalomaniac, he has probably ADHD.
He is brutal, he miscalculate strategic policy. He is uniquely coward when he left his Army dying alone and facing Syrians and hided in the French Embassy! He is not willing to scarify and risk his life for Lebanon like March 14th leaders does.
He is the brutal tyrant type like Moamar Kazafi, Soharto, Chowchesku, Assad and Saddam.
Hizballah is a smart bidder and is using Aoun urge for presidency to contine dismantling Lebanon and imposing his Wilayat El Faqih.
The only way to Aoun to become President is under in a Islamic Republic in Lebanon on the Shia-Safavid type. For that he needs to continue kissing asses and especially Ayotallah’s one in Qum. Khemieni’s ass is the most recommended for Aoun’s uncommon case.
Jihad,
In response to your second comment. I am not saying that HA shouldn’t be allied with Aoun. That’s their choice and they have their agenda. All the Lebanese should be allied together. I’m for us all being united regardless of religion. But to say C&R/Aoun are not playing into the Syrian agenda is a joke and a lie that C&R are telling the rest of us. Who benefits with what Aoun is doing? You didn’t answer my question. How are the Lebanese benefiting from all these conflicts, fears, unease, sit-ins, MP refusals to meet, and Anti-Syrian murders. As Leb Christian said, Aoun refuses to go against Syria who is the obvious one with these targets! By the way, they were the ones (Pro-Syrians) who voted his party in after Pierre’s murder (he had a news conference with them). If Aoun still had any Lebanese patriotism left in him, he would put his personal dictatorship dreams aside, and meet with the majority (M-14) – who are also Lebanese, by the way, just like HA, remember? Or would that simple act be too honourable for Aoun?
i love how he says, along with all kinds of other twisted-tongue speech: “…a loose coalition of forces including the united states, the mainstream sunni arab regimes, and european states…”
lovely language! beautiful conglomeration!
mainstream sunni arab regimes? what the hell does that mean? what exactly is mainstream about them? what does the term imply? who does it implicate? what does it aim to hide?
i love how pundits think they’re magicians who can play so successfully with smoke and mirrors. classic juggling!
To support Sam’s assertion that Aoun is a psychopath, check out this Youtube clip (only 35 seconds). Would you vote for this man as President of Lebanon?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgXxWZe5tOU&mode=related&search=
There are many more clips…but remember this sick man would represent you and all of us if he won. Remember Hitler?
To Ibn Bent Jbeil
Do you know how the rest of Lebanese started seeing people from the South after March the 8th 2005?
I will tell you : when Lebanese (Maronites, Druze, Sunni, Orthodox, Protestant, Catholic and even Palestinian refugees and Syrian sunni share it with us) meet together how the feel and what they say :
- Shia Lebanese are not Lebanese, they’re persian willing to die for Iran.
- Shia Lebanese are assassins, they participate or omit to stop assassination of other Lebanese!
- Shia support American occupation and destruction of Iraq and defy amercians in Lebanon!!!
- Shia hate Baath party in Irak because Saddam was sunni, while they love Baath’ in Syria because Bashar is Alawi!
- Shia Lebanese get money to reproduce at the same time they push other Lebanese to migrate by causing unneeded wars, and occupying downtown.
- They want to inherit Maronites privileges alive and impose Wilayat El Faqih on the rest of Lebanon!
- When Jibran, Eido, Pierre etc. dies they celebrate and distribute Baklawa. However during July 06 war Sunnni, Druze and Maronites from M14 received Shiaa in their homes for protection!
- Shia are terribly unsupportable in public administration. They’re remarkable for their skills screwing and cheating the government.
- Shia in Lebanon became like Jewish in Palestine, buying lands in Mount Lebanon, Bikaa and Beirut with Iranian money to settle, reproduce and change demographics.
- Shia clerics does money laundering by allowing dirty and blood money from Africa diamonds, wars and prostitution to be used to support Hizballa pretending that they have ” Mal Sharif”!
All of that and not thinking of civil unrest?
Druze were arrogant in the 18th and 19th century, same for Maronites in the 19th and the 20th century. They both learned lessons about being humble and sharing with others. Isn’t time for Shiaa to learn the same lesson?
It’s Aoun on one side, against all Lebanese Christians put together. Not bad for the FPM.
I think Aoun should retire, and his FPM should take over. It has a well founded movement, well educated followers, and the Lebanon’s most intellectual among its peers (very Obvious at USJ, which is probably the only university which has fully support for one Lebanese movement).
I think Michel Aoun will be remembered as a decent chap which also avoided a civil strife by moving in with Hezbollah, even though most of his followers despised him for it and realized later on that it was not all that bad of a move, but got the whole world which criticizes Hezbollah, criticizing him. Not an easy task he made, but prevented a much larger problem.
Finally, I beileve the FPM shoudl restructure, bring out its outspoken charismatic leaders to the torch now and make a strong Christian Lebanese movement which represents as much as the Future Movement represents out of its community and Hezbollah represent out of its community. The sum of all us, makes Lebanon what it is. Diversity is the spice of life.
The real catastrophe is if the Lebanese elect a Syrian or Iranian dog under the excuse of consensus, also know as terrorist blackmail.
Opposition followers should understand that by obstructing the election of a new president they are to blame for all the problems that will follow. M14 will accomplish their civic duty and show up to every election session. The obstructionists will be those who will refuse to come. By the way, the absence of consensus is not proper grounds for not attending.
Eventually the duty to elect a president will prevail even through a 50+1% election.
Jester,
Watch out when you say that Aoun “avoided a civil strife by moving in with Hezbollah”. As this is interpreted as either a bogus claim or a complete indictment of HA’s intentions in Leb.
Sam,
you spelled my name wrong, ando stated grave errors on every other line.
wow, you are full of hate for a major segment of the country. a numbered list of generalizing accusations, interesting. can you please expand on this list? maybe with sublists?
sharing is an interesting concept as well. i’ll think about it and relay it to the powers that be. dey ar my cazin and we sit and drink argili and eat lahmi niyyi. it hard for us to undirstand you becaz we eat lahmi niyyi too mach. i guess you forgit about sharing for naw. too bad for you.
Il n’y a pas de fumée sans flamme. It is not about hatred, it is about criticism. Shia Lebanese should be loyal to Lebanon First and stop being puppet for Iran ambitions.
Druze did the same mistakes with English and Soviet, they were wrong. Maronites did it with French and Israeli and they were wrong. Sunnni did it with Egyptians and Palestinians and they were wrong too.
The main problem in Lebanon is Lebanese loyalty to foreigners! Otherwise, the annoying syrian neigbour could have been much better handeled.
Enjoy Kibbé Nayé, but don’t dream about Wilayat El Faqih too much, it will have an alcohol effect on you.
Jester, you have it exactly right; needed is Christian unity for both the Christians and Lebanon to move forward, and if Aoun retired and one of his more than capable lieutenants assumed the mantle of leader, the mandate his party received from the Christian voting districts in 2005 will find both expression and meaning. We need to turn the page, and retire the hold-over leaders from the civil war.
We are stuck with Taef, which has institutionalised confessionlism and unless the Christians become a united poltical block, like the other religions/sects, they will have no voice, and will be a source of eternal instability in Lebanon (unless they disappear as a people from Lebanon which will be Lebanon’s loss).
You are right in many cases. One thing you forgot to mention is that there are law firms that practice ebt settlement as well. So whats the difference for one a law firm can keep the collection agencies off of your back, two they are alot more reputable than your standard ?debt settlement company? they must compy with the bar association of their state. However you are right there is no such thing as clumping all of these debts together this is just not the case. But the creditors do speak much differently to a professional negotiator than they do with the average consumer and can usually get a very nice settlement
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