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		<title>By: A Battle For The Hearts And Minds Of Lebanese Christians &#124; The Beirut Spring, a Lebanese Blog</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/07/07/fact-check-the-bishops-were-wrong/#comment-6099</link>
		<dc:creator>A Battle For The Hearts And Minds Of Lebanese Christians &#124; The Beirut Spring, a Lebanese Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] • Last July, I was very critical of the Maronites&#8217; Bishops &#8220;Islamizing Lebanon&#8221; comment • Two days later, I asked them to apologize because they were proven wrong. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] • Last July, I was very critical of the Maronites&#8217; Bishops &#8220;Islamizing Lebanon&#8221; comment • Two days later, I asked them to apologize because they were proven wrong. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leb Christian</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/07/07/fact-check-the-bishops-were-wrong/#comment-6098</link>
		<dc:creator>Leb Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jad, in an ideal world, I would agree with you. I couldn&#039;t care less what the composition of the ISF is AS LONG as the ISF management itself doesn&#039;t care who joins as lons as they are Lebanese. And unfortunately that is not the case. When 12000 Sunnis join the ISF, and there are virtually no Shiites, and very few Christians, that&#039;s when I begin to worry.

So sorry, not very well said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jad, in an ideal world, I would agree with you. I couldn&#8217;t care less what the composition of the ISF is AS LONG as the ISF management itself doesn&#8217;t care who joins as lons as they are Lebanese. And unfortunately that is not the case. When 12000 Sunnis join the ISF, and there are virtually no Shiites, and very few Christians, that&#8217;s when I begin to worry.</p>
<p>So sorry, not very well said!</p>
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		<title>By: beirutspring</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/07/07/fact-check-the-bishops-were-wrong/#comment-6097</link>
		<dc:creator>beirutspring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Said Jad..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Said Jad..</p>
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		<title>By: Jad Aoun</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/07/07/fact-check-the-bishops-were-wrong/#comment-6096</link>
		<dc:creator>Jad Aoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone here seems to be saying that they are Lebanese first so where&#039;s the importance that there are x Christians, y Muslims and z Buddhists in the ISF?!

As long as ISF is 100% Lebanese then I really couldn&#039;t care who or what people pray to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone here seems to be saying that they are Lebanese first so where&#8217;s the importance that there are x Christians, y Muslims and z Buddhists in the ISF?!</p>
<p>As long as ISF is 100% Lebanese then I really couldn&#8217;t care who or what people pray to.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/07/07/fact-check-the-bishops-were-wrong/#comment-6095</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 07:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LebPatriot,

&lt;i&gt;Time to eradicate the sick sectarian system once and for all.&lt;/i&gt;

And how do you propose to do that? The only realistic alternative is &quot;winner takes all&quot; - which is what has happened everywhere else in the Middle-East. I assume you say that because you thing your guys (whatever &quot;non-sectarian&quot; sect you are a part of) are going to win. There&#039;s nothing wrong with a sectarian &quot;quota&quot; system, when the alternative is for one of the sects to impose a tyranny on the others!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LebPatriot,</p>
<p><i>Time to eradicate the sick sectarian system once and for all.</i></p>
<p>And how do you propose to do that? The only realistic alternative is &#8220;winner takes all&#8221; &#8211; which is what has happened everywhere else in the Middle-East. I assume you say that because you thing your guys (whatever &#8220;non-sectarian&#8221; sect you are a part of) are going to win. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with a sectarian &#8220;quota&#8221; system, when the alternative is for one of the sects to impose a tyranny on the others!</p>
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		<title>By: Leb Christian</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/07/07/fact-check-the-bishops-were-wrong/#comment-6094</link>
		<dc:creator>Leb Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LebPatriot, that&#039;s where you&#039;re wrong. While one is born with a religion, he / she elects to keep it, be an atheist or convert. While religion in Lebanon unfortunately defines you (whether you like it or not), let us not forget that in the end it is a matter of faith.

Second, comparing apartheid to the sectarian society in Lebanon is ridiculous. It&#039;s a very weak attempt on a technique to discredit an opponent in a debate. Intellectually bankrupt on your part.

By the way, if you know anything of history, you would know that the proponents of apartheid in South Africa, did not call for baby steps towards a free society. They were vehemently opposed to any steps towards the abolishment of apartheid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LebPatriot, that&#8217;s where you&#8217;re wrong. While one is born with a religion, he / she elects to keep it, be an atheist or convert. While religion in Lebanon unfortunately defines you (whether you like it or not), let us not forget that in the end it is a matter of faith.</p>
<p>Second, comparing apartheid to the sectarian society in Lebanon is ridiculous. It&#8217;s a very weak attempt on a technique to discredit an opponent in a debate. Intellectually bankrupt on your part.</p>
<p>By the way, if you know anything of history, you would know that the proponents of apartheid in South Africa, did not call for baby steps towards a free society. They were vehemently opposed to any steps towards the abolishment of apartheid.</p>
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		<title>By: LebPatriot</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/07/07/fact-check-the-bishops-were-wrong/#comment-6093</link>
		<dc:creator>LebPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leb Christian Says:
&quot;I am Christian. I am proud of being Christian&quot;

Nothing to be proud about. You were born Christian. To be proud, you need to have accomplished sthg.


Leb Christian Says: &quot;The transition towards a secular society and and goverbment is a long one. &quot;


This is what proponents of apartheid in South Africa used to say to justify the status quo. We&#039;ve been hearing this long enough in Lebanon.  Time to eradicate the sick sectarian system once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leb Christian Says:<br />
&#8220;I am Christian. I am proud of being Christian&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing to be proud about. You were born Christian. To be proud, you need to have accomplished sthg.</p>
<p>Leb Christian Says: &#8220;The transition towards a secular society and and goverbment is a long one. &#8221;</p>
<p>This is what proponents of apartheid in South Africa used to say to justify the status quo. We&#8217;ve been hearing this long enough in Lebanon.  Time to eradicate the sick sectarian system once and for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Leb Christian</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/07/07/fact-check-the-bishops-were-wrong/#comment-6092</link>
		<dc:creator>Leb Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kheireddine - no harm done. I&#039;m always glad to find myself in situations where everything seems to divide us, and yet at the end of the conversation we found out there is more that brings us together then not, and we end up somewhat agreeing with each other.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kheireddine &#8211; no harm done. I&#8217;m always glad to find myself in situations where everything seems to divide us, and yet at the end of the conversation we found out there is more that brings us together then not, and we end up somewhat agreeing with each other.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Leb Christian</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/07/07/fact-check-the-bishops-were-wrong/#comment-6091</link>
		<dc:creator>Leb Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lebpatriot - I am Christian. I am proud of being Christian, and I will not hide my Christianity, despite some wanting me to.

If that bothers you, then please make an abstraction of my name and read the comment rather then the nicknames.

But if you insist on focalizing the debate on nicknames, then you should have at least noted that I said I was Lebanese before anything else, then comes my religion.

Now as to the secularism you propose, please let&#039;s not throw this enfantile project of &quot;thinking with our brains, not with our sects&quot;. The transition towards a secular society and and goverbment is a long one. It will take baby steps, and certainly not giant leaps as one would like. Why you might ask? Because unfortunately, at the present moment, the minute one community sees an opportunity to take the lead at the cost of another, it will jump and seize that opportunity. So you are wrong. Please continue to think with your sect AND your brain, and start baby confidence building measures from all sides, until everyone understands that we are all in this together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lebpatriot &#8211; I am Christian. I am proud of being Christian, and I will not hide my Christianity, despite some wanting me to.</p>
<p>If that bothers you, then please make an abstraction of my name and read the comment rather then the nicknames.</p>
<p>But if you insist on focalizing the debate on nicknames, then you should have at least noted that I said I was Lebanese before anything else, then comes my religion.</p>
<p>Now as to the secularism you propose, please let&#8217;s not throw this enfantile project of &#8220;thinking with our brains, not with our sects&#8221;. The transition towards a secular society and and goverbment is a long one. It will take baby steps, and certainly not giant leaps as one would like. Why you might ask? Because unfortunately, at the present moment, the minute one community sees an opportunity to take the lead at the cost of another, it will jump and seize that opportunity. So you are wrong. Please continue to think with your sect AND your brain, and start baby confidence building measures from all sides, until everyone understands that we are all in this together.</p>
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		<title>By: kheireddine</title>
		<link>http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/07/07/fact-check-the-bishops-were-wrong/#comment-6090</link>
		<dc:creator>kheireddine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LebPatriot, Kheireddine is my real name although I am not religious...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LebPatriot, Kheireddine is my real name although I am not religious&#8230;</p>
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