How The Average Syrian Sees The Relationship With Lebanon



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This comment by an Alarabiya reader is offensive on so many levels to Lebanon. It would have been funny if it weren’t a commonly held belief in Syria:

لبنان بمقام البنت العاصية لأمها سوريا اللتي ربتها وخافت عليها خلال فترة صغره وبعد ما بلغت سن الرشد عصتها ولكن من سيحميها دامها إمرأه فجناحها مكسور لكنها مرغوبه لدى الأخرين وكل الأشخاص في تنافس شديد عليها لو لا أن ترجع لأمها لتحافظ عليها لتحولت إلى هدف يسهل على كل الحاسدين تصفية حساباتهم باسمها وباسم ابنائها المغلوب عليهم ……. ولكن تبقى الأم رافعة راسها ما دام لديها إبن مطيع وبيت تأوي إليه

Translation (Mine)

Lebanon is like a disobeying daughter to her mother Syria who raised her and cared for her when she was young. But when she became an adult, Lebanon backstabbed her mother.
Who now is going to protect her? She being a vulnerable woman who’s desired by everyone. If only she would go back to her mother who will defend her before she becomes a territory that the envious would trespass to settle scores.. But the mother keeps her head high as long as she has an obeying son and a home she can go back to

Warning: Please don’t vomit on your keyboard.

Also, Who do you think the obeying son is?

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  1. M,

    You should have put the warning up top. It was too late when I read it and now I have to buy a new keyboard… and carpet and repraint the walls :)

    Posted by N | June 27, 2007, 3:48 pm
  2. I say to the Syrians, leave us alone. We endured your occupation for 30 years and we are fed up! We don’t need your help and you caused enough damage in our country. We will not forgive you unless you change regime and become democratic.

    Posted by kheireddine | June 27, 2007, 4:17 pm
  3. this is sick on so many levels!!!!

    You can’t but to wonder how these people think and behave…I could never answer that…

    As for the son…well there are lots of candidates…but my favourite would be Weaam Wahhab, don’t you think?

    Posted by FaiLaSooF | June 27, 2007, 4:18 pm
  4. Faylasoof, you mean comical Wi’am, check this video from La Youmal:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjWITzGAtGg&mode=related&search=

    Posted by kheireddine | June 27, 2007, 4:27 pm
  5. I vomitted….

    I’d argue that Syria is more like an abusive mother who’s been beating the crap out of her daughter for years, and who can’t understand why the daughter, now an adult, wants to break free.

    But whatever…

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | June 27, 2007, 4:51 pm
  6. Well, this guy should have said: “Lebanon is like a free at last daughter from her abusive mother, Syria who molested her and treated her like a sex slave and a milking cow she was young. But when she became an adult, Lebanon broke the chain around her neck and run away from her devil mother.

    Who now is going to protect her? She is a hard working young woman who’s willing to work hard to support herself while getting her education. If only she can take her mother to court to face justice, the mother who abused her own daughter before she became a strong woman and run away from this dysfunction family! But the mother keeps denying that she abused her daughter. Sooner or later the daughter will face justice when her other children will say we had enough of oppression, injustice and dictatorship!!!”

    Posted by Ghassan | June 27, 2007, 5:58 pm
  7. Damn it Mustapha why didn’t u put that warning up before the translation…

    …now I’ve gone and ruined a perfectly fine keyboard.

    Posted by Blacksmith Jade | June 27, 2007, 5:59 pm
  8. Why is everybody puking I dunno…

    Me, I was quite happy.

    As a matter of fact, I hope they’ll stay that stupid fore as long as can be.

    Posted by Ibrahim. | June 27, 2007, 6:18 pm
  9. M, BJ, BV
    Sorry, my fault! I should have warned you before.. Your next keyboard’s on me :) (sorry, The Beirut Spring will assume responsibility for no other Items)

    Kheireddine & Failasoof,
    If only they’d understand. That’s their problem. They’re brainwashed beyond redemption. But like Ibrahim said: Their stupidity will herald our salvation..

    Ghassan,
    Yeap, you’re analogy is much more like it :)

    Posted by beirutspring | June 27, 2007, 6:30 pm
  10. So…mustapha

    Who is the obeying son ?

    Hmmm - Jordan ?

    Please answer ;-)

    thanks
    Andrew (The Zionist)

    Posted by The Zionist | June 27, 2007, 6:35 pm
  11. The letter seems so juvenile, if the newspaper hadn’t published it, I would have thought it would be ignored completely.

    Posted by Solomon2 | June 27, 2007, 6:48 pm
  12. Solomon,

    It’s just a comment on a website, but a fairly common one. Many Syrians really do believe this stuff

    Posted by beirutspring | June 27, 2007, 6:59 pm
  13. Check this speach of Mustapha Tlass on Yasser Arafat,it is very revealing about the syrian leadership mentality:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzxdumcAqcQ

    I bet you that they say worse about the Lebanese leaders who are not on their side.
    Sorry Mustapha, but you only share the first name with him…

    Posted by kheireddine | June 27, 2007, 7:50 pm
  14. sorry, forgot the disclamer:

    Viewer discretion is advised due to coarse language.

    Posted by kheireddine | June 27, 2007, 8:14 pm
  15. Many Syrians do believe in this stuff

    Statistics, please.

    Though I do not disagree that “some” believe in the truth of the comment, if we are to make any progress in discourse whatsoever, we need to be careful in our language. How much is “many?” 1%? 10%? 90%?

    Posted by M. | June 27, 2007, 8:38 pm
  16. I found a Syrian Joke, enjoy!

    http://www.desert-voice.net/syrian_joke.htm

    Posted by kheireddine | June 27, 2007, 8:38 pm
  17. (sigh) The pernicious thing about Big Lie propaganda is that even though the targeted populace may know that it’s a lie, after a time they still believe enough of it to suit the perpetrator’s purposes.

    Furthermore, what psychologists call displacement really works in this case: instead of fretting that they live under the thumb of an Alawite dictator, the Syrian populace is supposed to enjoy the fact that Lebanon exists under the thumbs of the Syrians.

    Finally, you have a local power (Iran) supporting disruptive gangs here there and everywhere to disrupt governments and create ready-to-fill power vacuums.

    This is the stuff barbaric, aggrandizing empires have been made of in the middle east for thousands of years, and precisely the situation European statesmen wished to avoid when planning the inevitable break-up of the Ottoman Empire. That’s why they pushed for the establishment of such states as Greece, Iraq, Lebanon, and Israel in the first place.

    You do understand that it is all the same fight, don’t you? The battle to be citizens, not subjects? More people need to understand this and not fall prey to hatred and envy as excuses not to seek freedom for themselves and their neighbors.

    Posted by Solomon2 | June 27, 2007, 8:43 pm
  18. In relation to what you are all saying here about the Syrian occupation:

    I saw some these video clips, in which former or natural Lebanese allies of Syria make some very interesting remarks:

    http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480×360.asp?ai=214&ar=1473wmv&ak=null

    http://www.memritv.org/View.asp?P1=1489

    Can anyone here confirm that the translation provided by MEMRI is correct? Since the first clip was broadcast by Al Manar, and I can hardly imagine that this is being said on Al Manar. Does anyone know more about the context of this video clip, when was it broadcast and what was the setting?

    Any comments will be appreciated.

    P.S. As an outsider to the region but lover of Lebanon I do hope that you will continue to distinguish between the Syrian regime and the Syrian people. The Syrian people are also victims themselves of the regime. They are not your enemies. They are only kept ignorant and are being brainwashed by the Assad regime.

    Posted by traveler | June 27, 2007, 9:37 pm
  19. I find this whole “mother” “daughter” metaphor sickening to say the least (albeit normal and expected in view of Syria’s age-old thuggish possessive fixation with Lebanon; e.g. the Lebanon having been part of Syria canard, etc..)

    But what was more sickening to my palate was how ALL OF YOU (who were ostensibly offended by the metaphor) went along with its faulty premise and terminology and started this whole silly mental gymnastics about it being high time for this battered “daugther” to break free of her abusive “mother’s” stifling embrace, etc…)

    Pardon me, but you guys are SICKER than the Syrian louts who, after all HAVE AN EXCUSE for indulging in such depraved fantasies; they are uncouth superstitious baboons, who live under repressive obscurantist systems where history is no more than obscene demagoguery and Orwellian universes of inverted realities! But you Brutus?? Syria’s DEPRAVITY is NOT sickening!!!! YOUR BUYING INTO IT and grappling with its “logic” IS!!!!

    Have the Syrian fables and fabrications become so real to the point that EVEN YOU are buying? késs ékhta guys!!! If this is not mental, moral, and intellectual abdications, I don’t fucking know what is!

    I read Mustapha’s post and I smiled a little! I didn’t begin puking until I started reading your flimsy comments…

    Sorry to offend guys! But seriously, re-read some of the gibberish some of you have written and tell me how is it not sickening!

    Lebanon is someone’s daughter?
    Lebanon is a sui generis spontaneous generation, 6000 years old and counting
    THIS is Lebanon:

    فعل إيمان شهادتنا بلبنان

    أؤمن بلبنان واحد، هو أبي وأمي، سرمدي، مستقل، موئل للحرية، متبوع غير تابع، حضاري الانتماء، لبناني الهوية، غير موصوف ولا منعوت، قائد غير مقود، منبثق من جوهر الوجود الإلهي، ذي تراث أصيل، وحضارة فاعلة، وتاريخ مجيد، وشخصية فريدة، ورسالة خالدة، وإشعاع ثقافي، وإنتشارعالمي، عامل للقيم الروحية والمثل العليا الإنسانية، متجند للعدالة، ممارس للحرية متمسك بميراثه، متطور أبداً، مناضل للحقيقة، مساعد كل مظلوم، مقاوم كل أنواع الطغيان والتسلط والهيمنة والخوف والعنف والإرهاب، منفتح على كل التيارات والمدنيات والمعتقدات، محاور الى أن لا يجدي الحوار، محارب حيث لا بد من حرب للدفاع عن حقه والمحافظة على وجوده، قائم على وحدة وطنية عضوية صادقة، سيّد مصيره وقراره الوطني المستقل، عنفواني، متحرر من كل مرّكب نقص، عدّو كل استعمار واحتلال واستثمار الإنسان للإنسان. وأؤمن بأن لبنان حي بجوهره لا يموت ولا يخون نفسه، وبأنه باق كما هو الى نهاية العالم . بقلم المفكر سعيد عقل

    Posted by Louis-Noel Harfouche | June 28, 2007, 1:16 am
  20. oh my God! it is appalling, but then again at least we know thats what a regular Syrian citizen thinks of Lubnan; still how in the world can anyone sane write such stupidities?!

    Posted by Manuela | June 28, 2007, 12:16 pm
  21. LOlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll… But I agree with Ibrahim (#8) that I hope they just stay that stupid…

    Posted by Tarek | June 28, 2007, 12:43 pm

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