Who wants to free Allan Johnston? Hamas of course… Who wants to track down the UNIFIL bombers? Don’t think twice: Hezbollah.. Who needs a state when you have those wonderfully efficient Islamists?
Who wants to free Allan Johnston? Hamas of course… Who wants to track down the UNIFIL bombers? Don’t think twice: Hezbollah.. Who needs a state when you have those wonderfully efficient Islamists?
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The only question that the Arabs should ask themselves is:
What do the Islamists create ?
What do the Jihadis Create?
What does the “Resistance” Create ?
The Answer: Nothing
When the Arab world wakes up to see that these people create nothing…and destroy everything around them…and stop supporting them..will our world be better
That will take the acceptance of Israel
How much power do you give them when all you do is hate Israel for coming home
Embrace Israel – and their power to destroy will be nullified
I thought Hamas was the state, democratically elected, until the US/Israel/Britain, the “international community,” decided they did not like the democratic results and armed and financed the oppostion to topple it?
Ali,
Hamas was democratically elected, but that doesn’t make them the state. They’re a party (supposedly) that fielded candidates for parliament, that has a militia which doesn’t take orders from its political masters. Being voted into parliament means you work with the others voted in, as Palestinians, within the existing political system.
Funny picture though.
There you go, the entire Middle Eastern political spectrum in just the first two comments..
of course they (hamas and hezbollah) want to do that. they did it in the first place to start some crap and since that didnt really work out they way they wanted, they will now “find” the reporter and bombers to make themselves look good. they’ll say “see, we found those involved. not the government…we did.” which will make themselves look better in the eyes of the arab media.
of course they (hamas and hezbollah) want to do that. they did it in the first place to start some crap and since that didnt really work out they way they wanted, they will now “find” the reporter and bombers to make themselves look good. they’ll say “see, we found those involved. not the government…we did.” which will make themselves look better in the eyes of the arab media.
love the picture
but aside from that Hamas really miscalculated its moves — now it looks like Fatah are angels and Hamas crazy soon to be suicide bombers — in the end both movements, better said the leaders are in this game for themselves. No one really cares about the Palestinians well being, or I would read more about how this Hamas minister of that Fatah minister attract investors, are opening new schools (mind you not madrassas), factories and hospitals.
Hezbollah is most definitely had no connection this bombing.
With this investigation, If Hezbollah is able to find more clues to the UN murder, unlike the 38 unsolved murders in the last 4 years, maybe the Government ought to join Hezbollah.
Many hints are pointing to the fact, that whatever happens in the South, it is labeled as Hezbollah area. Hence, a state within a state.
All eyes are on the new branch of Hezbollah detective, a lot could be said for them if they are able to find more clues than the government, a true embarrassment to our government. The Lebanese and the international community at large needs answers!
Ali,
There you again showing a complete lack of understanding for democracy.
I have made this argument before, on another blog. Entities like Hamas and Hezbollah do not seem to understand democracy.
Getting elected is all well and fine, but it doesn’t end there. It means you have to work within the system that elected you. Not take it over and do as you please.
Hamas and Hezbollah seem to think that getting elected is an automatic mandate to do as you please. To field your own militia. To overtake the state through military force. That is NOT how democracy works. In democracy, the rule of law and the rule of the state (the constitution) are above everyone. The winner of elections is simply there to work WITHIN the system. Nothing more.
I have to say that we (arabs) are somewhat new to the idea of democracy, and i find a lot of us don’t seem to really get what democracy means. A lot of us seem to think it just means if you win elections, you get to do whatever you want.
Jester,
You’re serious? You’re really expecting Hezbollah to come up with legitimate findings?
I fully expect the predictable “zionist hands are behind the crime. Looking to sow dischord among Lebanese” that we hear EVERY TIME. Anything differetn would surprise the hell out of me.
Jester,
We have some answers:
Did hezbollah did it? Of course not
Did hezbollah helped doing it? Yes of course.
The “investigation” that hezb is running have multiple tasks, some of them:
- We are investigating because officially we didnt do it.
- We are investigating because it is our ground and our territory and we are in charge here!
- We are investigating to hide what the other investigators might come to. (Silencing witnesses, hide proofs…)
- We are investigating to hunt down, shoot and be sure to kill a poor bastard and say to the world: he did it! but sorry he’s dead!
No one will join hezbollah, actually and honnestly for me, hezbollah must not be invited to join any lebanese plan. The party and his supporters must not be considered as citizen even.
PS: the 38 unsolved murders have been solved, and the name of your master hassouna holms is in the list. If nothing was said yet, its because detective hassouna has a big gun in his pocket that he can use against anybody and first against his own people as we have seen last summer where 1 million shi3a had to leave their houses.
Anyway, I dont expect much from hezb detectives, if they had the slightest flair, they would have discovered all the obvious lies that their hezb is based on!
Zionist,
Comments like “all you do is hate Israel for coming home” make you sound like a troll. Which you probably are. But if not, try to be just a bit less condescending and all-knowing. Besides, do you have a name or you are merely a movement?
..the picture is funny.
Hehe, funny pic.
Doesn’t Nasrallah kind of look like the gang leader “Peoples” from the movie Shaft?
…yes, in addition to being a genuine question that sentence was a pun…
Acknowledging the RIGHT of people to chose their own government does not forfeit one’s right to decide how he will deal with the decision that is made.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Democracy doesn’t necessarily make the world a better place, but it sure does clarify things, and that’s worth a lot.
Aoun in the Orient le Jour treats the readers with his potential list of culprits although he does not know the results of the investigation.
His list is:
1. extremists islamists group(s)
2. Israel (yes, Israel, even before hezballah officially hand in their result!)
3. the Sanioura government (of course)
“Q – Selon vous, qui a attaqué la Finul dimanche ?
R – « Dans nos analyses, nous avions craint deux sortes d’agressions : une première israélienne et une autre par derrière, menée par les mouvements islamistes et extrémistes. L’attaque de dimanche a été faite dans un style connu et on peut essayer de deviner qui en est l’auteur. Mais c’est là une première impression. Aujourd’hui, la question qui se pose est la suivante : la cible était-elle l’Espagne ou la Finul dans son ensemble ? Si c’est à l’Espagne qu’on en veut, il faut chercher du côté de la partie dérangée par la politique de ce pays. Si c’est la Finul, cela veut dire que l’on cherche à vider le Sud des forces internationales. Je ne suis pas dans le secret des investigations et je préfère attendre le résultat de l’enquête. Mais, pour moi, le gouvernement est le premier responsable de la situation. »”
hahaha
very nice one
Hysterical! Oddly enough, they look quite handsome in 19th Century British costume.
You’ve done a marvelous job fitting the haberdashery.
hahaha and fukn ha. political analysis aside,that was nothing short of brilliant mustapha.
Aoun is like a programmed robot nowadays. It seems every speech of his always has to include “The government is responsible”.
Must be nice to always blame everything on the same party…Reminds me of Hezb and how they blame Israel for everything.
Sure sign of one-track closed-mindedness.
There was a traffic jam in Hamra today…It’s Israel’s fault. My dog just died…I’m sure it was Israel’s fault…
And so on.
Badvilbel,
Why do you think that I misunderstand democracy? It seems you think that what we have in Palestine and Lebanon is a clean political slate, removed from history and events, where we can conveniently choose either democracies that can guarantee our rights and defend us, or field our own militias for the heck of it and tear our countries apart.
Maybe you misunderstand the political and security reality that begot Hamas and Hezb and still surrounds them? These militias are born because they live in lands where governments are either non-existent, or if they do exist, they are powerless to safeguard the rights and lives of their citizens. None of these militias are inclined to give up their blood-earned organization or arms until they can feel secure that the entity they are submitting to has at least a better capability, and the political will, to protect them.
Both Hamas and Fatah field militias, even though they had a unity government. The Palestinians do not have a standing army, and very few institutional instruments to carry on with the tasks of running the little enclaves Israel allows them to rule. Meanwhile, Israel is still running amok, frustrating their lives (shutting off electricity and water at will), denying them rights, and still goes on killing forays into Palestinian neghborhoods every time an unexploded Kassam finds its way into an illegal settlement. Further, from the very first day that Hamas won the elections, it has been boycotted, denied revenue, even hunted and killed by Israel. So, maybe you can excuse them for not being quite ready to believe in the democratic idealism the west throws at them as fodder to cover their own hypocrisy, and hang on to their guns for some semblance of defense in case the world, as it has, starts crumbling around them again.
Ali,
That might be how these groups have started, to defend themselves because their governments couldn’t help them. The problem is these sort of groups seem to lurk around forever after their purpose has been met. Living in a constant state of paranoia pushes these groups to the extremes and then they start being counter productive and contradictory to their own initial mandate.
Ali,
I find it amusing how you mention that Israel goes around shutting electricity and making their lives miserable, but forget conveniently to mention the rockets that get fired on Israel.
Why do you expect Israel to make your life easier if you’re shooting at it? Nice one-sided view of things.
I really don’t understand why Israel is obligated to do ANYTHING for the Palestinians. After all, you do want them to leave, right? But you still want their electricity? Get your own electricity if you’re so damned bent on being self-sufficient.
It’s the same with Hezb.
I understand (believe me, I lived in underprivileged part of Lebanon half my life) that the government was missing. And I understand WHY Hezb and its like came about. I have no problem with WHY they came about. The question I ask is, now that they are here, why don’t they work towards improving the government? Why don’t they work towards improving the lot of those disenfranchised people that you talk about?
Just today I was reading a story about how Hezbollah has turned down various offers and projects to rebuild Haret Hreik after last summer’s destruction. Why? Because they don’t want anyone from the government or from elsewhere being able to do any good for the Shia. Don’t you see how easy it is to manipulate people by keeping them oppressed? If the Shia population was magically made rich and prosperous tomorrow, they wouldn’t care about hezbollah anymore. It is in Hezb’s INTEREST to keep them poor and disenfranchised, to justify the need for Hezbollah to exist. It’s really simple logic.
Always look for who benefits the most from a certain action, that’s usually a pretty good indication who the culprit is.
badvilbel,
The Palestinians are a people under occupation! You give more right to the occupier than the victims themselves.
I suggest you read international law and the Geneva conventions to get an idea about the rights of an occupied people, and the responsibilities of an occupier (besides leaving alone what is not theirs). Even better, you may need to adjust your own moral references because something is amiss here.
I hope you do not bring your brand of twisted logic and questionable ethics to the Lebanese theater. God help us.
As for your contention that the Hezb refused funding to keep a lid on their supporters, regardless of the facts of the story, is as assanine an analysis as one can come up with. I may be able to correct your facts, but there is nothing I can do about about your ideological analysis and conclusions. I am still having a tough time convincing my little niece that the bogeyman does not exist.
Ok. I’m done with you Ali.
Twisted reality. You should apply some of what you said to me, on to yourself “ideological analysis and conclusions” indeed.
Btw, if you wanna cite the Geneva convention, how about you also note that the UN established and recognized the state of Israel? Howcome you don’t accept that?
Btw, I HAVE NEVER DENIED that the Pals are under occupation. That is also a fact. Unlike you, I abide by ALL the facts, not just those that support my side.
The UN considers Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights (and Shebaa farms) as occupied territory. There are also countless UN resolutions and international articles that affirm the inalienable rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their original homes.
Considering how much of a threat to world peace the Israeli-Palestinian problem has been, you’d think the powers that be would have chosen to put THESE decades-long resolutions under Chapter 7 and simply enforce the freaging thing. But no, the murder and tribunal of the prime minister of an inconsequential country poses more threat to the peace and tranquility of the rest of the world.
Get a life man, and open your eyes.
Ali,
again you forget to mention the complete version. UN GA Resolution 194 was the first to handle the refugee question. Here is the ‘inalienable’ UN formula:
11. Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date,…
The first resolution foresaw the creation of two states. It was refused by the Arabs. Why do you ask Israel to stick to a Resolution that the other part refuses to accept all in all?
As to the nature of Fatah militias, I still don’t understand why they drove Jordan on the verge of civil war and managed to fulfill that aim in Lebanon.
Since last summer, Arabs are being killed by Arabs. In Gaza and in Tripoli. Sorry, but the Israel-blame-game doesn’t work anymore. Not in Europe, not in educated and informed circles. Strange enough the only ones who still take it are the ones, who suffer most from it. I completely agree with Bad Vilbel – keep them poor and stupid is Hezb’s principle.
Katrin,
British academics are drafting their own resolution to boycott Israel as we speak. In a BBC poll just this last March, Israel topped the list of most unfovaorable countries based on an average of 27 countries worldwide, this inspite of the oeverwhelming effort you put into PR and the incredible pressures you bring to bear on the media to tout the Israeli line.
As for resolution 194, it still guarantees the rights of Palestinians to return to their homes. You can maybe excuse a person for refusing initially to give up half of his property to foreigners for no reason whatsoever. And you also conveniently forgot to mention resolutions 224 and 338 demanding Israel leave present occupied territory.
Israel and the US are the ones who set the stage for Palestinian-Palestinian violence. I am not excusing the Palestinians themselves for picking up the fight, but the US/Israel/allies boycotted a democratically elected government, and financed and armed the opposition. And then they sit and enjoy the show.
Ali,
I have long made the same argument as you on this one. I wish the UN would enforce their previous resolutions (regarding the Israeli-Arab lands) under a chapter 7. I don’t think we disagree there.
But as I keep telling you, 2 wrongs do not make a right. Just because they don’t enforce that one doesn’t mean I don’t want 1559 and 1701 enforced.
I am a firm believer in the rule of law. ALL of it. Not just the laws we pick and choose. And yes, I am man enough to say that I want that applied to EVERYONE. Israel, Arabs, Lebanese, Syrians, ALL OF IT.
You, on the other hand, want CERTAIN resolution applied (the ones that return arab lands), but do you accept Israel’s right to exist? (That is also a resolution). I’m gonna go ahead and guess that you don’t based on your usage of words like “immoral” in earlier comments.
So spare me your hypocrisy.
I’m perfectly willing to live in peace with all my neighbours, provided all laws are respected, and all lands are returned to their rightfull owners. Are you?
“I’m perfectly willing to live in peace with all my neighbours, provided all laws are respected, and all lands are returned to their rightfull owners. Are you?”
Agreed. Send this to your Israeli friends, and if they agree and abide by all UN resoltutions, then we’re game. The Lebanese resolutions will take care of themselves; no need for Hamas, Hezb, or anyone else.
Israel and the US are the ones who set the stage for Palestinian-Palestinian violence.
Sorry, Ali, but too many innocent people have been killed for the sake of this one-dimensional blame-game. This formula hasn’t worked for more than 40 years – its time we come up with a new and more efficient concept.
You don’t seriously want to make me believe that the US or Israel ordered Arafat to take over Jordan, do you? It was Syria who backed the PLO and King Hussein safed his country by cooperating with the US. Look at Jordan nowadays – they have at least an idea about living in peace.
And then how exactly did the evil couple (US/Israel) motivate Arafat to initiate civil war in Lebanon? I know what Beirut was like before Arafat discovered it. A friend of mine grew up there until the day his father was killed.
Let’s skip the next 34 years and look at Lebanon today. After years of devastating civil war this country still has the strength to stand against Syria and Iran-financed Hezb. As if this weren’t enough, its young and still vulnerable Army is busy fighting another outbreak of purposeless violence.
Take a closer look at the entire region. Iraq and Lebanon are taking steps towards democracy and better living conditions for their people. Morroco, Egypt and Jordan cannot hold open elections. In Algeria the death toll has risen to 120.000 since 1990.
This is about Muslims killing Muslims, Arabs fighting their brothers. It’s not a Shia vs Sunni conflict, it is fundamentalism striving to take over the Ummah. And the same scheme accidentally applies to the Hamas/Fatah conflict.
If Muslims facing this conflict still insist upon blaming Israel/US, I won’t object. It’s your choice.
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