Hezbollah Kidnaps Lebanese Policemen
Is the Party of God testing the waters for a Hamas-style takeover?
Here’s this curious news I just read on Naharnet:
Hizbullah gunmen kidnapped three policemen in south Beirut, stripped them of their weapons, interrogated them and then set them free.
The LF site has more details:
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The question remains: Under which authority Hezbollah thinks it can arrest and interrogate Lebanese men in uniform?
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Hizbollah is empowered by the ignorant mass that elected them.
Further, under which authority Hezbollah thinks it can arrest and interrogate Lebanese people full stop.
the same way any militia in its own area stops people, dont give us that bullshit
Ive gotten stopped before by them, and as a american lebanese shia, im glad, if u expect the army to do something, u must be a dreamer, all they are good for is diggin ditches and picking their asses. but you can keep loving the scraps we got flown a few weeks ago. because ford explorers can really help in battle. schmucks
Rufus,
Can you enlighten us with the Ford Explorer reference?
Kheir, they’re also empowered by this gvmnt.’s statement/resolution, by Taef, and by Aoun.
rufus,
I’m not thrilled with either the gvmnt or the army, but I don’t want a militia either.
You’re happy with your militia and don’t want to play by the rules? Break away from the Lebanese state and have the guts to say so.
Rufus,
It is a dangerous sign when you operate outside the boundaries of the law. What HA did is unlawful. If they are “Lebanese” patriots as they claim to be, what not do something about it from within the constitutional institutions like any other civilized party would do, instead of circumnavigating the law, and taking matters in you own hand. That is the definition of a militia, not a resistance. So, revise your opinion on this matter for the sake of Lebanon.
The French resistance disarmed after the ”Libération”; not the Hezbollah, due to the weakness of the Lebanese state & the support it popular base which fears being alienated again by central Lebanon. Furthermore, Syria left Hezbollah armed after year 2000 because of the financial support it gets from Iran & in order to use it as a Trojan horse.
Rufus–do you hold a Lebanese passport? Sounds like you’re content with not participating in Lebanese law or respecting the state, no matter what shape the state’s institutions are in.
Since you support a separate territory run by Hizbullah officials, perhaps you should petition for this and give up being “Lebanese”?
They’re empowered by 20+ years of no one standing up to them or making them understand (by force if necessary) that they are not the state or the state’s institutions.
Again, it’s the semantics stupid!!!!
As long as we remain a culture afraid of calling a spade a spade, afraid of repealing their silly “muqaawamé” moniker, afraid of calling them by what they are; a bunch of thugs and foreign agents, jackass will keep inflating his/her audacity and bluster.
Rufus,
You’ve got to decide wether you’re american or with hizballah, because I don’t know if you’ve noticed, the country you’ve chosen to live in counts hizballah as an enemy. You can’t live there an use all that law and civilization, then say a theocracy/militia rule is OK for the Lebanese.
Either you believe in a liberated country, or you believe in theocratic rule of religious militias. You can’t have it both ways.
If you think Hizballah’s mini-country canton is a great idea, come and live with them, I bet you’d be packing your bags and going “home to america” within one week.
So that’s the new strategy? to get to “beyond beyond Haifa”, when in a hole, keep digging.
“They’re empowered by 20+ years of no one standing up to them or making them understand (by force if necessary) that they are not the state or the state’s institutions.”
They are empowered by more than tradition. They hold the ‘power’ of the weapons they regularly ‘threaten’ the Lebanese with. It is indeed time to call a ’spade a spade’ – Hezbo is holding Lebanon hostage, and everyone is scared they will turn their weapons on the citizens. They say they won’t – and then Nas makes statements about ‘civil war’ and ‘cutting off hands’. Everyone understands the point. When thugs ‘arrest’ the State Police, disarm & interrogate them – they are an enemy of the state, there is really nothing else you can call them. It’s time to come out in the open with it.
If anybody recalls the kidnapping in gaza of an idf soldier last summer and how a similar operation was followed by hizbullah on the blue line, will Undoubtedly understand that this is not a twist of fate. Hamas and hizbullah with their close ties to iran and Syria are plotting against the whole region and make the balance of power tip to their favor. Since the objective of Nahr el bared’s battle was not fulfilled in Lebanon it was necessary for Hamas to tip the balance and score a victory! Furthermore, Hizbullah will make sure after threatening the lebanese army and drawing red lines, that no victory is possible on the lebanes front, and a similar operation will take place to furthern weeken the army for an eventual hizbullah take over. Watch the coming events, and you will understand.
I agree with Dory
By the way, what happened to the kidnapped Israeli soldiers that are held by the Hezb? The kidnapping that cost Lebanon 1300 casualties & 2+ billion in damages?
It brings another brick toward a civil war.
For sometimes we have read articles on ISF accused to become a sunnit milicia. Maybe the hezbollah is considering it like that. But the lebanese army is a different case as 40 to 60% of its soldiers are shia, which is not the case of the ISF
However the lebanese law must be exercized on all the lebanese territory, this includes the Hezbollah places but also the palestinians camps.
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they were in fact threatened not to return !?!?!?
Did I translate correctly ?
http://www.tayyar.org/tayyar/articles.php?article_id=29671&type=news
I am afraid to say that HA is testing the water and may follow Hamas style and take over some areas (like the airport). But it is different in Lebanon from Gaza because there are more than just 2 factions, somehow a Lebanese Army (not that strong, but still there is one), and all are armed.
Will see!
Ghassan.
i actually dont have a lebanese citizenship, thanks to the corruptness of the govt, our names were somehow “erased” off the registry, and my family has spent over $100,000 over the past 15 years paying into the corruptness of the lawyers and system over there.
because i make a living in america doesnt make a difference,half the country doesnt agree with the current politics in the US. i have to provide for my family, and i will do anything i can , where ever i can
if the hezb played by the norm, half of the fucking country would still be under occupation. i would rather live in a pile shit under OUR rule, than live in a palace under israeli rule. it’s my piece of shit and im proud of it.
I have no problem wiht the leb army, but lets be honest, you know they cant do shit. the explorers and expeditions i were talkin about was was the US sent after last years victory. while they give leb the scraps, israel gets billions.
my village is in the south and we appreciate what they did, because no one else did it. that also include the commies,and whoever else fought the israelis, because u assholes in the north dont give a shit. your chateus are fine, so why should you care.
they havent threatened anyone with their weapons, where do you get your propaganda from. after the 2000 victory, didnt nasrallah say not to harm the collaborators with the zionists? they had the right to execute all those on the spot and they didnt.
the problem with all of you is that your mad that the shia want whats rightfully theirs. they have been kept in the dark by your shady politics. ur right, we should close all the hospitals and schools that they opened snce no one else did, we should take the $ back from all those who received it for they destroyed homes, since the govt is providing for them , o yea i forgot they didnt do shit.
as far as arresting the police, have u ever heard of spies? there is mossad all over the country but you are all blind. you seem to forget we are still officially at war with israel. i guess we live in the wizard of the oz.
so iranians are bad, but we can allow israeli and american and wahabis saudi to influence our country? hypocrites. you can have ur hariri israeli visting,crying siniroa(beware the man who talks from the side of his mouth), mass murdered “dr hakim”, and flip flop jumblatt, the man whos been in bed with every country.
why the hell should the leb fight and do the US work? what have u gotten out of it? all i see is the jaish getting their asses handed to them. they’ve been “advancing” for 3 weeks. ur funny
My husband and son are Shia and our family is in the south–what exactly is “rightfully” theirs Rufus? Please explain this. Not all Shia have the same beliefs you do–so don’t generalize.
What a foul language you have. Which gutter have you come from?
Of course the HA have paid for schools and hospitals etc. They have paid for a generation of Shia to ready themselves to be used as cannon fodder at Iran’s wiehs and orders. Cheap at the price!
My last posted message was addressed
to Rufus, by the way (no one else has
language like his anyway!).
by rightfully theirs, i mean their RIGHTS.
the gutter i came from are the same as the people who built up your country and your home, because you idiots would rather pick up garbage in the gulf, then pick up your own country, then you blame the syrians for taking all the job that you would refuse to do
i guess willing to die for your rights and country doesnt mean anything these days.
we all cant go to be like walid eido and be a corrupt judge so hariri can own all the beiruty prop he likes. i loved the way he adjusted property values for rafic
hezbollah est une organisation terroriste fabriquee par la syrie et enveloppee par sa mission illusionnaire de proteger les territoires libanaises d’israel qui est pr eux le pire ennemi mais c’est leur pretexte pr garder leurs armes. Leur plan est d’affaiblir l’armee libanaise en appuyant fateh el islam indirectement,et cela en mettant une ligne rouge sur les camps qui protegent ces extremistes ,et ils veulent montrer aux libanais qu’une petite organisation cachee ds une petite espace a pu mettre des grands degats aux rangs de l’armee comment CA PEUT ETRE s’ils pensaient a desarmer une grande organisation et en vrai une grande armee(approvisionnees par l’iran qui prepare pr la bombe nucleare ESPERANT qu’il ne veulent pas donner a hezbollah un petit echantillon de cette bombe pr l’experimenter au liban )qui a plus d’armeS que l’armee libanaises, ils ont profite et laisser faire en spectateur ce groupe de fateh el islam pour montrer un petit exemple au danger et a la terreur que les libanais peuvent subir s’ils vont toucher aux armes de hezbollah et l’exemple typique c’etait aujourd’hui en kidnappant les gendarmes a dahieh ,cet acte montre leurs vices cachees en demandant el wehdeh el watanieh et en attaquant la confederation et ce sont les premiers a faire de dahieh une region interdite d’acces aux autres libanais en emmettant des actions de milices ds notre pays ….commentaire a suivre ….
Rufus says
i would rather live in a pile shit under OUR rule, than live in a palace under israeli rule. it’s my piece of shit and im proud of it.
I got news for you. You’re not living under YOUR rule. You’re living under Hezbollah rule.
I have no problem wiht the leb army, but lets be honest, you know they cant do shit.
They are doing just fine in Nahr El Bared. Maybe it’s time you start supporting them instead of a militia. If Hezbollah is that intent on defending Lebanon, why aren’t its fighters up in Nahr El Bared helping the Lebanese Army against a gang of thugs and terrorists? Where is the so-called “resistance”? Or does it just “resist” where and when it sees fit, against only SOME of Lebanon’s enemies, but not the others?
they havent threatened anyone with their weapons, where do you get your propaganda from.
Well, apparently, there are 3 ISF officers who might disagree with you on this one. Just because you refuse to see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
BV
i would ask you to reconsider hezb interevning in the north given that this could turn it into a sectarian conflict
the middle east is a big game of chess right now. iran is the king, ruling from its stationary position and funding everyone, syria the queen moving all around the region, groups like hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad and others are the knights, rooks and bishops, while the lesser “resistance” groups and unknowing citizens of the countries of iraq, lebanon, afghanistan, pakistan, jordan, egypt, saudi arabia, somalia, etc are the pawns. pawns being sent out on martyr dumb missions or in lebanons case, holed up in camps fighting to weaken the army and country down so they can swoop in. i guess you can obviously put the “west” on the other side of the chess board as well. who’s side would you rather be on?
Ramzi,
My argument was purely rhetorical.
I’m tired of hearing about this so-called resistance, who claims it’s here to defend Lebanon and its territory from our enemies and who refuses to give up its weapons on the account that they alone can stand up to our enemies, and that the Army cannot.
Someone needs to call them on this bullshit. Someone needs to ask howcome they’re not defending Lebanon from Fath Al Islam, or from Syrian Intelligence, or from assassinations and car bombs. If anything, this proves that they are an incapable resistance, and that they should give up their weapons. Don’t you think?
BV–I’m with you. I’ve seen no move by Nasrallah or Hizbullah’s contribution in trying to find the killers or responsible parties for the car bombs. I’m sure Rufus will have it all solved for us–March 14 and its members are killing each other, right? Wait wait for it–it’s all a Zionist conspiracy!
And Rufus, why are you living in the US again? Your loyalty to Hizbullah should give you a free home in the south–why haven’t you taken advantage and set up house there then? Why waste your life in the horrible US?
All the hostility in this comment section is very enlightening.
And we’re supposed to be the country’s future …
Rufus,
Interesting comments. “us versus them” attitudes like yours convince me that we have, at best a long way to go before we become a country.
If you learned one thing from the United States, whenever “any militia” can have “its own area”, there can be no country. Since you appear to disagree with this basic tenet, I suggest you consider joining the Montana Militia, unless the US government did decide to eradicate this sorry outfit, like governments should.
However, you are not the only one with such views. This narrow sectarian attitude is shared by far too many of our fellow countrymen, and I fear that we’re heading for another stupid war…
And this may not even be the worst case scenario.
Rufus,
Nobody denies, that it was Hizballah who kicked out the Israelis and their stooges in 2000. If you checked with most of us then, you’d have found that most considered S. Hassan a hero.
However there’s nothing worse than your own hero betraying you. And that’s what he did, on 8th of march, barely three weeks after they killed harriri, nasrallah stood there and thanked those who most of us think killed him. And what for? so he can have a weapons route to continue in his own (and Iran’s) agenda. can you imagine for a moment what this counrty would be like right now if he stood with us instead of the syrians that day?
As for the south being poor, I suggest you go ask the berri’s where all the money went. Randa’s cut isfor 33% on every major project. Also, if those rich Southern Expats chose to invest in the South’s economy instead of showing off to each other about how much money they made in africa by building uselessy big villas, then maybe the south wouldn’t be in quite so poor. By the way, did you know that the Hariri whom you seem to hold a big grudge against, tried to build the first university in the south, in kfar-falous?
As for the rest of us, I like how you assume we are all loaded. Guess what , 99% of us are eaking out an existence from day to day, waiting on remits from children working outside, yes, in the gulf, because there are no jobs in this country, mainly because every time we get a break, some idiot decides to start a war.
Well put Lalebanessa! In any case, as one who has lived through all the wars
here, I really don’t see why we should be the only ones to pay all the time. We have no occupied land any more and Syria, Jordan and Egypt do. They are all living prospering and we are the only ones paying. Why doesn’t Syria fight its own war for the Golan? I suppose one could say why should they when they can pay Lebanese to fight it for them!
We have one major failing: we are not strong enough to impose our will. We should have virtual dictatorships like all the other countries of the region and a very strong and ruthless deuxieme bureau (as in the time of Pres. Chehab) that knows exactly where the troublemakers are! That is the only way that it can work here.
Ultra-successful Dubai does not work with elections – it does not have elections or ask the opinion of anyone and Syria, as we all know, had elections recently with just one candidate. We should learn from the successes around us!
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Without wasting my time writing a 1000 line rebuttal to you Rufus, let me just say this…………
Fuck you, you arrogant American cocksucker. Don’t get involved in Lebanese business. We all see right through you. You are just another arrogant, American, Rambo dick watching war and violence on TV and pretending to know what its like.
Keep your two cents to yourself fuckhead, go buy an ipod, listen to your rap music and shut the fuck up. If you want to be constructive go help your piece of shit country fix the mess they have created in Iraq.
Fucking idiot.
Jalal
Mustapha,
You should put some language filters on your comments section.
Mustapha,
sorry mate…ill filter it out myself next time
Jalal
hey, jalal. dont classify rufus as an american please. i am an american and totally support what the lebanese are trying to do. i also believe that almost all americans are supporting you guys. rufus, to me, is typical of how i see people that hate america. ones that shout “die! die! america!” while gladly using american dollars instead of their own country’s currency and then when they have some natural disaster, they call for our aid and take it with one hand and hold up that “die! die! america!” sign in the other. in this instance, rufus is even worse cause he is actually living in the US. talk about the ultimate hypocrite, he should be living in iran, if he truly supports what he is saying. but then again, he is living in the US, where he says he can make a good living to support his family. he forgets to mention that his family also gets a great education and most importantly, IS FREE TO STATE WHATEVER HE LIKES AND WHATEVER HE DISLIKES. that is america. now, where as i have seen rambo (all 3), own an ipod (2 if you what to get technical) and dont first hand know what war is like, i will state that i have friends and family that have fought in WW2 through this current war in iraq/afghanistan. i dont listen to rap (mostly listen to punk), i do follow/read on all worldly happenings ( i am posting on a lebanese blog), i do enjoy war movies that tell the stories of what war was/is like, not for the violence. example “flags of our forefathers/ letters from iwo gima”. i dont fluently speak another language, but do know a little spanish, german, russian and plan on trying to learn arabic. i am a follower of christ, but i do not judge other peoples faith. and finally i dont think this is a piece of shit country and while iraq may be in the rough, i do think that if everyone (here in the US and the world) supported what ( i hope) is the real intention of spreading freedom and democracy to the M.E., than iraq would be rebuilt quicker and we would be outta there. the problem with iraq, is the same problem you all are having in lebanon. IRAN and SYRIA!!! they allow/send equipment and personell into iraq/afghanistan to derail the situation, just like in lebanon.
anyways, something has come up and i must leave. i hope that i am not included in that typical “american” stereotype…but i may be.
Anthem Boy–I am American as well. They know we’re not all like that. Rufus is “Lebanese American” so he’s a special exception and doesn’t really belong in any category.
well,first settle down cowboyz,secondly,hats off to lalebanessa,greattttttt post.It kills me how the shia members that support Hizbollah are fooled in believing that Hizbollah “give” but do not take.Theyve given illusions and taken lives and a whole country hostage.I know a shiite lebanese who cant stand them,because everytime he wants to renovate his house in the “Da7yeh” or even move a rock infront of his house,he would have the Hizbollah equivelant to the stasi police of east germany jumping on top of him,demanding he go see hibollah authority before moving a pebble from his house.Do u think he can speak out?
Secondly,the greatest hypocrisy of all,in believing that Hizbollah is the resistance against lebanons enemies,ill believe it when they turn against Bashar and his cronies in Damascus.
Thirdly,Hariri was instrumental in the survival of Hizbollah in the nineties,and prior 2005.He even lifted alot of pressure off them,by using his international contacts,to alleviate pressures on Nasrallah.
1. Please Mustapha filter the comments.
2. I am Lebanese American and wish Lebanon the best to be an independent free democratic countrty. Please Jalal don’t generalize.
God bless Lebanon.
thanks, umm kais. i think that alot of people that havent been here to the states…especially havent grown up here in the states, dont understand. just as we dont truly understand other cultures. although in a way, we are every culture…you know “the great melting pot”. i live right in the middle of the US and as far as i can drive in a day, i’m still in the US or southern canada. so, overall, the cultures and languages dont change. we are like the song…sea to shining sea. it would take 2 days driving to get to mexico before we would truly encounter another culture, unlike europe/asia/ middle east where you can go only an hour or 2 and be in a whole nother world. sure we do have the “cowboy ” mentality where we just say “lets do it!” and go. often not thinking about all the details. i definately fit into that catagory with decisions i make. my wife is just the opposite, she thinks everything out WAY too much to the point where it paralyzes her. my dad’s quote while i was growing up was “dont just sit there, do something. if it turns out wrong…FIX IT.” which is definately american. my point being that i am truly american and believe in what america truly stands for, but also i am trying to be a citizen of the world and learning about the rest of the world and hopefully help the rest of the world in some way. even if its just some words on a blog here and there. thanks for the space, mustapha. i pray lebanon and the rest of the M.E. will truly have freedom and democracy.
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Falatit Jalal, and prooved how similar she is to that rufus punk!!!
i would rather live in a pile shit under OUR rule, than live in a palace under israeli rule. it’s my piece of shit and im proud of it.
Yet you live in the U.S.
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