
It is time to set aside comparisons between the July war and the Lebanese anti-terrorist operation in Naher Al Bared.
cartoon (14march.org)
It is tempting to compare Israel’s July war on Lebanon with the Lebanese Army’s shelling of the Nahr el Bared camp. After all, both Armies were responding to an unprovoked terrorist attack and both armies were shelling hideouts filled with civilians. But this is where the comparisons should end.
During the July war, Hezbollah fighters were hiding among people who love, support and protect them. The multinational Fateh al Islam terrorists on the other hand are, by unanimous Palestinian testimony, outsiders who are not welcome. Palestinian civilians who are fleeing the camp are being embraced by Lebanese residents and aid groups in all Lebanese areas. I have word of mouths from people in Minieh, Tripoli and Akkar that many families, after hearing Seniora’s speech, are taking Palestinian refugees in their homes.
In the July war, Israel was shelling indiscriminate locations (like the bridges in Jounieh, which is an all-Christians area) while the Lebanese Army was careful to only target locations with militant presence, resulting in minimal civilian casualties. Also, Seniora’s pledging that he has nothing against our Palestinian brothers is much more believable that Olmerts’ claims that he cares about the Lebanese people.
As the showdown approaches, the Lebanese Army will have the unanimous support of Lebanese and Palestinians. Otherwise, why would Ass’aad bu khalil, the Aljazeera of the Blogosphere, lament:
I have never felt more isolation as someone who speaks out on Palestine as I have felt in the past few days. There is an overwhelming, unanimous competition by people and organizations to rally behind the Lebanese army and to pay tribute to the troops. Not a single political party in Lebanon has spoken out, none, against the indiscriminate shelling of the refugee camp
Hello, my name is Mustapha and I blog in The Beirut Spring about Lebanese society and politics. I started in February 2005 after the killing of P.M. Rafik Hariri.

Mustapha,
Simple, but powerful beautiful piece, couldn’t agree more. I am amazed by the mass of self hating lebanese who post on As’ad Abu Khalil’s blogsite. Allah Ysa3dna Ya Zalame. As’ad is very delusional, regressive, ignores the big Syrian elephant in the room and offers no solutions. He has nothing to offer other than the old line of Lebanese who grew up making apologies for the corrupt PLO and murduring Syrian Allawi clan while pointing every finger at Israel. His line of thinking is a posion to all Arabs and Lebanese and must be rooted out. He would rather see Lebanon burn in hell to show solidairty with the Palestinians while Syria stabbs him in the back. Ziad El Rahbani had it wrong, it has always been Film Soori Taweel NOT Film Ameriki Taweel !!!
Abu Khalil has always been selective in his “news service”. He has criticized Assad maybe about 2 times, while he basically wishes ill on all of Lebanon and its people. Frankly, if he hates Lebanon so much I don’t know why he has a Lebanese passport (if he still does) and why he goes back. He even hates the flag.
there are always delusional bunch in every society and he certainly is one of them. I keep thinking that he is really retarded, but sometimes I wonder if he is on Bashar’s payroll.
Unanimous Palestinain Testimony??? I doubt that. Plus Testimonies are words not acts, and its so easy to talk and renounce … If until this hour the army was incapable of hitting fath al islam once and for all, it is due to the protection of palestinian factions to the group (Hamas, Jihad, Jound el Cham…) so please, stop lamenting on the poor palestinians, they are not angels. All these terrorists lived between them and under their protection for years.
Interesting points Mustapha. Unanimity, however is not an argument, because it is a fallacy to use it to imply “correct action.”
Hope your family is safe.
Maybe if Abu Khalil descended from his ivory tower in AMERICA, then he will see things for what they are. I’ve never seen such an ideologue negative blackhole in my life. Plus if hates Lebanon so much then why does he keep reporting and blogging about it? The answer is probably that he needs to maintain his “angry” contrarian persona… To each his own.
Wow, the Entire family of Kais is here, except for daddy :)
Ibn Kais, thanks for the compliment
Umm Kais,
you are right, I feel a very strong anti-Lebanon vibe with this guy
Ralf,
I understand how you feel, but remember, your line of thinking means that we are also responsible for hezbollah’s doings, although you know perfectly well how helpless we are with them..
M.
I actually hope those people don’t go around blowing up markets and coffee shops like they do in Iraq. That would really suck.
Firas,
Tell me about it! reminds me of the gauche-caviar, of Hezbollah and communists who study in AUB.. Hypocrites who crave attention if you ask me.
Israel did not bomb Lebanon indiscriminately. They purposely bombed carefully selected targets-they hit the top of the Corniche, without damaging its shaft!- they swooped down from the skies, and hit a very carefully selected range of targets that deliberately included “Christian” sites and “Sunni” sites.
Their aim was to provoke a civil war amongst you.
Their hope was that you’d blame it all on Nasrullah…and turn on him, and Hezbollah…
It didn’t work out as planned.
As to your clumsy army’s attempt to “root out” the “terrorists” with shot and shell..
Excuse me. If you were in the Lebanese Army, would you not prefer to shell the location of the guys who are actually SHOOTING at you, Beirut Spring…
Li
Of course we are responsible for hezbollahs doing, but no we shouldnt be so helpless with them. Why should we be afraid of hizbullah? because of its weapons? who doesnt have weapons in Lebanon? and which faction cant get weapons in a couple of days? M14 being soft with hezbollah led to last summer war. it is their fault during all these years of supporting the “resistance” and protecting the resistance that led to the last destruction of the country. I am not calling here for a civil war, on the contrary, hezbollah are firm in their stances (wrong stances true, but they stand firm!) M14 are soft and wants diplomacy and brotherhood everywhere and that is their weakness. Hope the next days will show us a firm stance against fateh al islam and a change in M14 political face, from passive dumdum to agressive republicans!
To Mr Beirut Spring:
“After all, both Armies were responding to an unprovoked terrorist attack”
Really, so Hezbollah is a terrorsit organisation, and sunnis are welcoming palestinians into their homes?
You lying, hypocritical, ungrateful!
It only proves that your on the Saudi/US/Israeli payroll when you call Hezbollah a terrorist organisation. Please explain how HA kidnapping two occupying SOLDIERS is terrorism - terrorism is when you target civilians! not soldiers dumb ass! (and when if ever has HA engaged in terroist attacks?)
Dont forhet this is the RESISTANCE movement that defaeted israel (while your admired sunni armies comibined lost in 6 days - says a lot does it not?) and sacrficed their sons defending lebanon, yet did not ask for anything in return, as it knows it does not get anything from traitiors like your leaders Hariri who fled like a 10 year old girl to his pussy masters in Sausi arabia who like women got scared when the hero Saddam tried to set things staright), fatfat who served tea, and sinoira who like a gril cried while the arab laughed at him and supported Hezbollah!
So I guess the sunnis in iraq attacking american soldiers are terrosits are they? or does your venom, as always, apply to shia?). Your jealousy of HA is unbelievabe, but let me tell you, all the shiah, chrsitians and druze (inlcuding the 100 jewish families probably left) in lebanon are laughing that a group Hariri brought in to lebanon under the delusional belief that it can counter-balaance the srongest resistance movement in the middle-east, that has never once attacked the lebanese army and actaully praises it, and does challange it (considering your scumful jealous leaders created the sctarian ISF to cpunter HA - keep trying losers, you’ll get smashed in a day).
So now we have inncent leb soldiers and palestinians dying beacuse jealous Hariri-type sunnis wanted a wahabbi movmeent, that beheads people (and five lebanmese soldiers) and denies girls go to school, all for the ske to challeng the shia and turn lebanon into iraq, and now theres a battle thats a trap for HA, but the unloyal sheep go bob a sunni and christian district (i am sure Gaegae is happy one of his supporters is dead from the same people whom Hariri brought into beirut and burnt their church….)
And please, when i talked to a palestinian in Burg al Burajneh yesterday, they told me the people of tripoli under Hariri control actual;ly helped the army fire at innceont civilians, and called Nahr al bared ‘israel’, while calling the civilians ‘jews’ - no wonder there is anger at hariri (and promises of revenge)
And you wonder why palestinains support syria. iran and hezbollah
Ah well, hariri has played with fire and is now having his hands burnt, amnd innocewnt sunni soldeirs and one covilans have died, apart from dozens of sunni palestinians, but of course mustafa and the rest of the sheep of the Future movement so as they told like animals.
And of course, all the angry jihadis of the world will now (as Jund al sham did just yesterday on their webiste) threaten all of lebanon and primarli its tourst industries, and will now cravefor disloyal Harir;s blood
True when honourable Karami said the future movemnment is a moevment of just ‘youths’!
I suggest the principal difference is that the author doesn’t care about the innocents who are now dying… Otherwise the language justifying military power against overwhelmingly civilian areas could have come straight from the IDF’s defending-the-indefensible handbook.
Shame on you.
Shit,id be an idiot if i replied to ppl like merhi,but i couldnt help pointing out the fact that Hassounas 1001 rockets hit Haifa,maybe the most liberal,and tolerant,community in isreal.That would be last place you would target,and the sad thing was that the victims were Arabs,innocent civilian bystanders.Hassouna is not defending Lebanon,he is defending a romantic ideal that he believes in.Good for him,but not when you drag a whole population against their wishes into the pits of hell.
and both armies were shelling hideouts filled with civilians
During the July war, Hezbollah fighters were hiding among people who love, support and protect them.
This is not true. Hezbollah usally fights in bunkers in outlying areas Even the IDF has acknowledged this:
“[IDF Major Mori] Taylor says the one tactical area where the IDF has been particularly effective is also the area where they’ve been the most criticized: Attacks on villages where they believe Hezbollah supplies are stockpiled.
The villages are used as logistic bases,” he says, “but they usually fight from bunkers in outlying areas. They have tunnel systems with camouflaged entry points where they can enter in one place and exit somewhere else. We’ve been fairly successful at cutting off the supplies from the villages, which forces them to come out eventually.”
Just for the record, Ibn Kais and I are not related! Our Kais is only 9 months old so “ibn” would be impossible. But I find that Ibn Kais and I have similar views :)
Ya gotta feel sorry for Hezbollah - the ‘divine’ resistance in search of an occupation
Craig
“Those four all have one thing in common.They’ve all have been involved with international terrorism since the 1970″
They feed on hatred. They say they love death. Well, I wish them a speedy one.
Just a quick clarification request. There are two situations.
1) Local population supports militant group while it launches unprovoked attack on a larger power.
2) Local population does not support militant group while it launches unprovoked attack on a larger power.
So, you claim that, if the situation is #2, then it is acceptable to attack the civilian population, but not in case #1?
So, in other words, Israel should have bombed the Sunni’s but not the Shiites?
I don’t get it.
You quote FaiLaSooF blog as an “evidence” that the number of civilian casualties is “minimal”.
In the same post, he quotes you (http://failasoof.blogspot.com/2007/05/to-all-who-accuse-lebanese-army-of.html) as an “evidence” that the Lebanese Army is not making Palestinian refugees “suffer more”.
I don’t get it.