Comments on: The Aley explosion and Its consequences http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/ Blogging Lebanon since 2005 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:42:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Louis-Noiel Harfouche http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4911 Louis-Noiel Harfouche Sat, 26 May 2007 00:36:12 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4911 Maverick, no offense, but if the army is going to split over a bunch of foreign louts (and illegally armed local non-governmental actors, aka "mu'aawamé"), then good-bye and good riddance, let it freagin' split cause then it would have proven that it never deserved the "national army" label to begin with. In fact, yours is the same argument that the cretin Rachid Karamé advanced back in 1972 (and again later in 1975 and 1976.) That's just a load of bunk, Maverick! Had the army been allowed to take the streets and perform its national duty (unhindered by Karamé's base sectarian considerations) back then, it would NEVER have been emasculated and would never have had the chance to sit idly by, percolating and commiserating over (or getting in touch with) its ethno-religious make up. The Lebanese National Army of the 1960s and 1970s split PRECISELY because it was crippled by unprincipled politicians more concerned with the "Arab nationalist" credentials than with Lebanese sovereignty and national prerogatives. It split because it was PRECLUDED from fulfilling its national duty, not BECAUSE it fulfilled it!!! The Army's job is to protect the homeland, Maverick, not sit "above the frey" and watch the homeland get torn asunder by a bunch of foreign predators and their local stool-pigeons! Maverick, no offense, but if the army is going to split over a bunch of foreign louts (and illegally armed local non-governmental actors, aka “mu’aawamé”), then good-bye and good riddance, let it freagin’ split cause then it would have proven that it never deserved the “national army” label to begin with. In fact, yours is the same argument that the cretin Rachid Karamé advanced back in 1972 (and again later in 1975 and 1976.) That’s just a load of bunk, Maverick! Had the army been allowed to take the streets and perform its national duty (unhindered by Karamé’s base sectarian considerations) back then, it would NEVER have been emasculated and would never have had the chance to sit idly by, percolating and commiserating over (or getting in touch with) its ethno-religious make up. The Lebanese National Army of the 1960s and 1970s split PRECISELY because it was crippled by unprincipled politicians more concerned with the “Arab nationalist” credentials than with Lebanese sovereignty and national prerogatives. It split because it was PRECLUDED from fulfilling its national duty, not BECAUSE it fulfilled it!!!

The Army’s job is to protect the homeland, Maverick, not sit “above the frey” and watch the homeland get torn asunder by a bunch of foreign predators and their local stool-pigeons!

]]> By: maverick http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4910 maverick Thu, 24 May 2007 16:39:39 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4910 Yes dead man walking,true,but they were or their fathers were members of the P.S.P. Loius Noel Harfouche, that means a potential uprising by Hizbollah/Palestinian/Opposition groups that can number half the country,not mentioning some members of the army might defect into their own sects once it gets apocalyptic...then what?Most people agree with your points but when push comes to shove,its going to be a massacre and guess who will volunteer to save Lebanon? Yes dead man walking,true,but they were or their fathers were members of the P.S.P.
Loius Noel Harfouche, that means a potential uprising by Hizbollah/Palestinian/Opposition groups that can number half the country,not mentioning some members of the army might defect into their own sects once it gets apocalyptic…then what?Most people agree with your points but when push comes to shove,its going to be a massacre and guess who will volunteer to save Lebanon?

]]> By: deadmantalking http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4909 deadmantalking Thu, 24 May 2007 05:21:17 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4909 mustapha, the two PSP members that were murdered a while back were beiruti sunnis. they were not druze. mustapha,

the two PSP members that were murdered a while back were beiruti sunnis. they were not druze.

]]> By: Ibn Kais http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4908 Ibn Kais Thu, 24 May 2007 02:31:11 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4908 I hear you brother, what i meant we need to make sure nobody falls into the secterian trap...lots of idiots in Lebanon have in the past. Next we need a 5 year plan to topple the murduring regime in Syria and move on as a democracy in Lebanon and hopefully Syria too. I am no fan of the leaders, but at the same time, Sanioura is a brave and calculating man, his predecessors have been killed and he is trying to walk the line to achieve the dream. Remember who really would come to Lebanon's rescue if the Syrian army came back in for some new excuse??? we don't have a lot of friends with a spine to help us in the line of fire. Even the Hariri proble is going the way of others...I used to be outraged like you but hey, one step at a time, it is something :) I hear you brother, what i meant we need to make sure nobody falls into the secterian trap…lots of idiots in Lebanon have in the past. Next we need a 5 year plan to topple the murduring regime in Syria and move on as a democracy in Lebanon and hopefully Syria too. I am no fan of the leaders, but at the same time, Sanioura is a brave and calculating man, his predecessors have been killed and he is trying to walk the line to achieve the dream. Remember who really would come to Lebanon’s rescue if the Syrian army came back in for some new excuse??? we don’t have a lot of friends with a spine to help us in the line of fire. Even the Hariri proble is going the way of others…I used to be outraged like you but hey, one step at a time, it is something :)

]]> By: Louis-Noel Harfouche http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4907 Louis-Noel Harfouche Thu, 24 May 2007 02:17:24 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4907 To hell with solidarity man! Solidarity for WHAT? To prove that we can take a licking and keep on ticking? For WHAT? Solidarity means crap when your soldiers and the symbols of your sovereignty and national prerogatives are being bumped off and trampled upon left and right? Solidarity and its rhetoric are risible if not shorn up by decisive uncompromising NATIONAL action! Conversations, conferences, consultations, discussions, compromises, and cute happy little arrangements are sooooooooooooo last century man! Enough with the silly charades already! Sanioura and his freak-show should either stand up to Syria and its ringers in Lebanon and call a spade a spade, or pack up the circus and move to another town and leave the job to someone who's actually WILLING to get her hands dirty! Enough skulking and hesitating already! 1- Declare marshall law and get the army on the streets (and the illegally armed hoodlums off, FOREVER,) NOW if not earlier! 2- Lodge a formal complaint against Syria at the UN and cut ALL ties with that arsonist regime. 3- Syria's churlish behavior is nothing short of a declaration of war; short of bombing Damascus to smithereens, we need to shutter off our borders with that hell-hole and station blue-helmets from the North all the way down to the Southeast... Shou fhémna?? Enough hedging and stammering already!!! Sanioura should have done this and declared marshall law last summer; instead he put on a cute lacrymose show in the midst of a bunch of Arabs (in their finely embroidered national nightgowns), and took refuge in the same empty lazy Israel condemnations. That really must have REALLY scared Assad out of his wits. pffft!!! To hell with solidarity man! Solidarity for WHAT? To prove that we can take a licking and keep on ticking? For WHAT? Solidarity means crap when your soldiers and the symbols of your sovereignty and national prerogatives are being bumped off and trampled upon left and right? Solidarity and its rhetoric are risible if not shorn up by decisive uncompromising NATIONAL action!

Conversations, conferences, consultations, discussions, compromises, and cute happy little arrangements are sooooooooooooo last century man! Enough with the silly charades already!

Sanioura and his freak-show should either stand up to Syria and its ringers in Lebanon and call a spade a spade, or pack up the circus and move to another town and leave the job to someone who’s actually WILLING to get her hands dirty! Enough skulking and hesitating already!
1- Declare marshall law and get the army on the streets (and the illegally armed hoodlums off, FOREVER,) NOW if not earlier!
2- Lodge a formal complaint against Syria at the UN and cut ALL ties with that arsonist regime.
3- Syria’s churlish behavior is nothing short of a declaration of war; short of bombing Damascus to smithereens, we need to shutter off our borders with that hell-hole and station blue-helmets from the North all the way down to the Southeast… Shou fhémna??

Enough hedging and stammering already!!! Sanioura should have done this and declared marshall law last summer; instead he put on a cute lacrymose show in the midst of a bunch of Arabs (in their finely embroidered national nightgowns), and took refuge in the same empty lazy Israel condemnations. That really must have REALLY scared Assad out of his wits.
pffft!!!

]]> By: Ibn Kais http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4906 Ibn Kais Thu, 24 May 2007 00:27:01 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4906 Well Bashar and his murduring clans are desperate. This time will be very different from 1975. The Lebanese not only will show solidarity with the exception of rogue ones, it will end with the Syrian regime ba bye. Well Bashar and his murduring clans are desperate. This time will be very different from 1975. The Lebanese not only will show solidarity with the exception of rogue ones, it will end with the Syrian regime ba bye.

]]> By: Lebanese Connection http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4905 Lebanese Connection Wed, 23 May 2007 19:52:27 +0000 http://beirutspring.com/blog/2007/05/23/the-aley-explosion-and-its-consequences/#comment-4905 Knows the country very well, ha! Let me take a guess: Maybe it is someone who has been in this country for aver 30 years? Check the map I posted on my blog, and play the guessing game with us. Knows the country very well, ha! Let me take a guess: Maybe it is someone who has been in this country for aver 30 years?

Check the map I posted on my blog, and play the guessing game with us.

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