The cost of dithering for years means that you have to be more ruthless now. Unfortunate, but reality.

Being soft AGAIN now will mean more deaths later, for all concerned.

Al Jaz and other reporters should not even be there before this thing is over.

The Red Cross can also go screw itself for the next few days.

This cannot stop.

Even if the army pulled out, the people of Tripoli would attack those bastards. It is interesting that so many Lebanese of different sects opposed them; they found refuge nowhere.

Those who went into Koura may still be hinding in the orchards

In many other countries like KSA or Jordan such kind of groups are treated with no mercy and with our situation in Lebanon there is no room for any softness. The goal is clear, finish up Fateh al Islam and dont let anyone trying to mess with Lebanon stability. Maybe the civilian will pay the price but there will be more civilians paying the price if this issue is not solved as soon as possible.

Wow - you sound just like Israel - maybe there is logic in Israels ways and means

The bottom line is simple…of the 22 arab states that exist - some lasnd must be carved out for the Palestinians

From Gaza to Egypt along the mediteranian would be perfect for them

They can have coastline and eventual membership in the euromed zone

Right…i am supposed to feel sympathy and remorse because civilians get caught in the cross fire. You know what i do…but not because the unashamed liberal (touchy feely Bill Clintonesque) press in the US says so. OR because al jazeera propagandists say so. I feel it because I am a human being who values life. However, do not beleive for one minute that means letting these dogs off the hook or reaching any political solution. SCREW THAT!!

If the army needs to go into the camp and eradicate the terrorist syrian supplied dogs then PROCEED! YALLA YA JAYSH NIHNA MAKON. There are other camps that need an extermiantor and this is the first…all must killed NOW!!! No trials and prison….DEAD!! That is the only way to protect the future.

It will mean that my children will be safe, and if those in the camps want to pretend that they are all innocent because they turn a blind eye to what goes on…then i can only say “you reap what you sow my dear fugee”.

AYESH LUBNAN!!!

Shunkleash

Why does the Lebanese Army shell the refugee camp indiscriminately? Why don’t they use their air force like Israel and target only the terrorists? Is this how Israel should treat terrorist attacks from Gaza?
So many questions.

I knew the zionists are going to come out in hordes now and say “see,lebanon, thats what we are going through.”Theres a difference between self-defence and Genocide.

Indeed, terrorists hiding among civilians pose a moral dilemma, and the humanitarian crisis should not be ignored. But does that mean that the Army should somehow start “talking” with terrorists whose only aim is to destabilize Lebanon?

They did learn from Hezbollah and Gaza and West Bank Palestinian how to deal with the civilian. So When Lebanese Army wants to hit this terrorist , you do have civilians between them . WHY because they are doing like hezbollah did last year , they don’t let the civilians going away. And when you are dressed like civilians, who is an activist and who is civil, you really don’t know. A terrorist is a terrorist. an Activist is an Activist. So long

Actually, this post sounds like what I read last summer at our southern neighbors’ blogs.

We can’t have it both ways Moustapha.

Let them say whatever they want, we WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM, AND THE ARMY SHOULD ERADICATE FAT7-L-ISLAM COMPLETELY.

Let’s Not forget what Jordan did to the Palestenian fighters, and how Syria and Egypt treat Palestenian refugees. We have provided everything for them, but we won’t allow such terrorist (Fat7-l-islam) run in our towns and cities and kill us while we watch….

God Bless our Army

Mustapha,

according to this article on Naharnet the terrorists are actively using the civilians in the camps as human shields:

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&71922411AA376599C22572E200553071

Fat7-l-islam, 3ousbat-n-nour, 3usbat-l-ansar, all al-qa3ida clones, are the Salafi, takfiri Frankensteins originally financed, encouraged and maintained by little-man, over-his-head Hariri, that will come back to bite his ass, but may burn Lebanon in the process.

Stop the hypocrisy and the misinformation of blaming Syria, and address these groups for who they are: Salafi Arab (Saudi, Jordanian, Moroccan, Algerian, etc…) nationals, mixed with more disaffected Sunni Lebanese youths, along with some extreme Palestinian elements who were allowed to exist and flourish with complete knowledge and encouragement by the present gov’t clique in the hope of leveraging some illusory military counterweight to the Hizb. Lo and behold, the tiger went natural and has his master’s ass in his mouth.

Salafis dream of inflicting greater harm than the benign mission they were being groomed to fulfill. It seems the lessons of Afghanistan and Iraq are not bloody enough reminders for the ostrich race pretending to run a country in Lebanon. Now you reap what thine own hands have sown

FaiLaSooF Says:

1- “Let’s Not forget what Jordan did to the Palestenian fighters”

so we do the same?

2- “how Syria and Egypt treat Palestenian refugees”.

Actually they treat them very well (humanistic rights), at least in syria.

3- “We have provided everything for them”

huh? Everything? that’s new to me.

and by the way, Fat7 el islam is not considered Palestinian, in case u missed it.

yeah right Ali, and Hariri is paying the Syrians to smuggle arms to them too..

Perhaps you should stop watching al-manar for a change..

[...] Civilian Casualties Mustapha raised the issue of the civilian casualties and the ethical issues that it poses: Indeed, terrorists hiding among civilians pose a moral dilemma, and the humanitarian crisis should not be ignored. But does that mean that the Army should somehow start “talking” with terrorists whose only aim is to destabilize Lebanon? A lot is at stake in the Army’s zero-tolerance policy. A “softer” and “more understanding” Army will send the wrong signals to would-be-terrorists that it is ok in the future to attack the military. Moreover, the Army has to send a clear message to the residents of the camps: Not handing the terrorists over will cost you much more than keeping them around. [...]

We all know very well what being soft 30 years ago cost this country, and what it’s still costing it. This is the army’s chance to take its place as only legitimate armed defender of this country’s citizens. A guard dog that hesitates is useless.

Mustapha,

You have drank too much cool-aid already.

Fat7-l-islam split off Fat7-l-intifada (the latter a Syrian creation) precisely because they did not want to tow the Syrian intelligence line. This was their own admission. This is an extreme Sunni organization which views Alawis and the Shia on par with the Israelis and Americans, if not worse. So why exactly does Syria finance and support an organization that regards it as heretic and sees it and its allies as the enemy?

And it seems to me that after so many alleged assassinations and aims at “destabilizing” Lebanon as the March 14th camp claims , that Syria only gets deeper in the hole, and brings even more timely pressure on itself by the US and its typical international chorus, and precipitates even more vociferous calls to push the tribunal through Chapter 7 that you would think they would have learned their lesson and laid low for a while, no? You would think that they would have realized that every time an assassination takes place, every time a bomb blows off somewhere, where the gov’t camp pounces on it and exploits it to immediate political gain at the regional and international expense of Syria, lending their weakened voice some further life, that the Syrians would have learned their lesson and come to understand that they cannot compete with the power and reach of the Saatchi and Saatchi crowd?

And now, exactly what gains does Syria get out of this, except the usual condemnation without proof based on the claims and innuendos of a discredited clique who are holding on for dear life at the behest of a falling and fallen empire who only a year ago conspired and bombed their country into the stone age, and resisting (this is the only resisting they know) and fighting calls for new parliamentarian elections while unashamedly claiming to be the voice of the majority? If you are the voice of the majority, then give the majority the opportunity to vote you back in. Then you can legitimately shut the other camps down once and for all.

Syria is not without sin. But the puerile trust you have in a political faction to guide and lead you even while we all stand at the edge of the abyss is precisely why we are in the mess we find our selves in.

Seriously, we are sounding like the Israelis. Shu el issa ya shabaib. I support el jeish… but not when the number in the NYT are 15 millitants and 15 civilians.

[...] This blog advocates strong action against the terrorists. But strong action without a plan is a recipe for disaster. [...]

[...] Civilian Casualties Mustapha raised the issue of the civilian casualties and the ethical issues that it poses: Indeed, terrorists hiding among civilians pose a moral dilemma, and the humanitarian crisis should not be ignored. But does that mean that the Army should somehow start “talking” with terrorists whose only aim is to destabilize Lebanon? A lot is at stake in the Army’s zero-tolerance policy. A “softer” and “more understanding” Army will send the wrong signals to would-be-terrorists that it is ok in the future to attack the military. Moreover, the Army has to send a clear message to the residents of the camps: Not handing the terrorists over will cost you much more than keeping them around. [...]

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