Amazing!

So it is time for new elections because the current MP’s are no longer representative.

Oh how I wish there was a mechanism where every person casts a vote to tell who represents who!
You know like a way to really count the number of people who support every person!
Something like … an election maybe?!

The people who say Aoun represents the Christians do not base their statements on the number of people in every rally or on internet polls, until the next election the simple fact is that people in christian areas voted for him MASSIVELY! which is why until next election he is the one who represents the christians.

If March 14th are sure of themselves (instead of just huffing and puffing) about the christian representation of Aoun and the Shia representation of Hizballah then by all means, call their bluff and have an early election.
After all they are calling for it, and they will not oppose if you suggest it, no?

Why not have the elections as soon as possible, this way Feb/March 14 group will have a 3/4 majorit1 How better can it get for them?

Oh wait! It is just all empty talk … They all know (and the polls sill show) that the political representation of each leader has barely changed in the past few months and that LF representing the majority of christians is only wishful thinking and stuff they can shout in their Media.

Once again Mustapha,you’re totally wrong………and your posts are being influenced by those”sovereignetists”(stealing and cheating in the name of sovereignity)……
First of all the Lebanese Forces rallie wasn’t as big as it appeared to be and surely not as u said it to be (hundreds of thousands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!),even the exagerated and biased LBC said they where tens of thoudands……….and how about the participation of manny Future party and Junblatists supporters in this rallie……..I really do hope no one gets fooled……..and hey did i see one Lebanese Flag???????????no……..
And just to make a small comparision between the criminal Geagea(you seem to have a verry short memory,or was it washed by Future televison)and between Hassan Nasrallah’s speach…….how manny time did criminal Geagea pointed his word to the christians instead of the lebanese as Nasrallah did…….
And how dare this small crook Geagea mention Dany Cham3oun(god bless his soul)among the Lebanese forces martyrs………wasn’t he the one who ordered to kill him………..such a shame…….
And how dare this coward Geagea even dare to mention the gangster criminal wars where killing was done depending on the religion by those small time criminals the lebanese forces and consider them as resistence…….what resistence?????????was it a resistence against the muslims and other lebanese………..
Shame on you really………..
SHAME……………
And all of you small minded people consider the popularity of General Aoun hasessened and the popularity of Geagea has grew………why those mafia of 14 february refuse the consisntent demands of Aoun to have an early election so they kick the mps representative out……..
Plz guys go to elections and show us who’s popularity has lessened……..
what r u scared of…………

Mustapha ya Mustapha ,

The simple fact is no matters what the votes are no matter what the numbers are some people (you included) will still hang on to your preconceptions. You don’t want the majority of the Christians to feel Aoun represents them so you genuinely convince yourself of that.

But let me ask you this, if you were wrong last time, what makes you think you are right this time?

Here, let me quote YOU right before last elections “but what i know is this: The coming elections will be the needle to Michel Aoun’s bubble.”

And just for fun let me quote me on that same thread :-p
“Somehow I think no matter what happens no one will admit they were wrong.” …
“I’ll just wait for the numbers of votes and see who’s full of hot air: Aoun or all the people saying the election will burst his bubble!”

I am a bit disappointed to see you back to the same past misconceptions.

Shame on you Ado for spreading such lies.

Concerning the rally, no one had a good estimate of the numbers but the people were stuck in traffic from Nahr el Kalb to Harissa and i saw it and trust me there were no FMers or PSP guys, they only sent official representatives.

And i saw tons of Lebanese flags, so do get accurate information before spreading lies.

You call Hakim a criminal ??
well even the pro-Syrian government didnt manage to blame him for any crime he commited and he was innocented from the Church Bombing while Syrians were in total control in Lebanon.
So until proven guilty, you have the right to remain silent, now if you wanna mention war crimes, i believe the government issued a pardon agreement for all leaders, so again you are wrong.

As for Hakim talking in the name of Christians, he represents the Christian community who represents a vital part of the Lebanese people. Nasrallah was addressing Lebanese ??? Do u need to remind you of the numbers of Palestinians and Syrians there ?
Are those the Lebanese he was addressing ?

lol, Hakim killed Chamoun ?
I have 2 recommendations for you, go get the trial book which is around 700 pages and prove to me Hakim killed him and second go ask Dory Chamoun if Hakim killed his brother.
Now unless you love Dany Chamoun more than his own brother, better keep silent and stop accusing.

You want elections, i wish they do elections right now, but i prefer keeping the government as it is since we have more worries than silly people such as Aoun and Nasrallah.

It was a great rally and a spit in the face of Nasrallah and his gang, and Jumblatt hammered Nasrallah after the mass as well.

Moustafa, it looks like this is your wishful thinking, but it is too early to tell.
Nobody is sure of the number of the protestors, nobody is sure of their religion. But one thing for sure is that the country is moving backward because our rhetoric now is so sectarianist that it is reminding us of the days just before the war. One more thing, if before Maroun el rass, there was 3in el remmaneh, this means that Geagea acknowledge that Maroun el Rass was a resistance; and this is good!
As for what Ado said, he is partially right, not all of Mr. Geagea history is good. never mind the killing done by the LF, he conspired with Israel agianst a “united” lebanon. If I were Mr. Geagea, I would try not to refer to my history before I was put in jail. I would use th eemotion of my followers for just when I was in jail (by the way, with the consent of Mr. Hariri father, and Mr. Jumblatt)

Mous- I’m pretty sure Aoun didn’t personally attend Friday’s Rally.

If you want professional and scientific poll numbers on Aoun and Geagea’s popularity among christians. email me and i’ll send you the post war numbers. It’s not even close. MA is multiple times more popular than SG.

Jamal,
The numbers u have are election numbers where Hakim was still in jail and lots of Lfers voted for Aoun candidates against Jumblatt and Hariri.
Those elections were lacking a major Christian party, that was still jailed.

The next elections will truly show us how representative both are.

For the moment, Harissa showed that the LF is in no way a minority.

Most of Geagea’s followers (at least the ones I met, unfortunately few are my relatives and friends) are right wing Christians. Mustapha be careful for what you wish for.

To understand the gravity of sunday’s mass one only needs to listen to the reaction of hizbullah.

A more serious indicator on Aoun’s eroding popularity is Hizbullah’s attempt to float him by letting FPM distribute aids in the Christian villages of the south and by giving him a role in negotiations concerning prisoners exchange.

In acceptng these roles, Aoun proved himself complicit in undermining the government and the Lebanese state along with hizbullah. He is also proving to be playing more and more the role of the follower to hizbullah, living on their leftovers.

Mustapha,
I completely support your analysis. I would love to see new parliamentary election take place right now, but I can wait until its scheduled time. This is what Syria and her Lebanese puppets are wishing, but we won’t grant them their wish. What’s more important right now, is the presidential election. After this is accomplished, then it’s o.k. to have a parliamentary election if there is consensus for it. Let General Aoun enjoy his majority for now, it’s not going to be repeated. Gen Aoun has been uncovered for what he is; by the way it was Elie Hobeika who murdered Dany Chamoun and his lovely family. And it is well known how close Hobeika was to Gen Aoun who left his family in his protection when he fled to the French embassy in his pajama.

hi Mustapha,

I am not convinced this time by what you write. I am not extremely familiar with Lebanese politics but from what I have read so far Geagea seems to be representing only the right wing Christian population. His rally was apparently quite small.

I also cannot imagine that the Hezbollah rally was substantially or mainly made up of Syrians and Palestinians (I wish you were right). Of course there are many (illegal) Syrians in Lebanon (I suppose they have returned since the war ended) but where is the evidence that they took part in big numbers in the rally?

I agree with some other people who posted here that it is sad to see Lebanon divided along sectarian lines again.
Ideally there would be a charismatic leader, someone like Hassan Nasrallah (but NOT Hassan Nasrallah!) who would unite Lebanon, and build up the country, and create an open, peaceful, liberal society. A society of Lebanese who love life rather than death. A country that will be able to live in peace with its neighbours and that even has a positive influence on its neighbours.
This is something Nasrallah cannot do and my guess is that people like Geagea cannot do it either.

Mustapha,

Gaegae is a war criminal who is responsible for the murder of hundreds of innocent civilians of all faiths during the civil war and now he calls his war crimes “resistance” and surprisingly find people like you cheering for him.

“hundreds of thousands of Christians showed up to say NO to Hassan Nassrallah”

As far as I can tell, you alone have thrown out this estimate. Is this hyperbole or can you support this claim with references or citations?

I may not know much as I am not following day by day the events in Lebanon, but I know this:

- My entire family used to support General Aoun including myself and now we’re 4 to 1 (1 being the youngest, still trying to have faith that ‘his’ General will be back one day).

- All my friends within this certain group used to support MA and now NONE is doing so anymore.

Whether we like to believe it or not, my family and friends are a reflection of a larger part of the Lebanese.

While I do not need another Christian figure to replace MA to make me feel safe, I do think that judging Geagea based on what he represented before the war is not fair at all. We all change with difficult times we go through and so did he, so did his approach to the political events which are taking place. I may be foolish to have much faith in people but imagine the same Geagea of 10 years ago reacting now to the situation, do you think the outcome would have still been the same? wouldn’t the civil war have started already?

Just like we tend to judge Geagea based on his old history, we tend to praise Aoun on his previous stands. We seem not to be able to accept that MA changed as well. We need to be able to accept it and move on and feel free to shift our support as well to whoever proves to me that he/she is working for the benefit of my country and of my fellow Lebanese. Even if it has to be for somebody from another sect or somebody whose views I did not agree with previously. But this tendency that to judge based on the old days stems somehow deep from our own culture. Don’t we still refer to those who did something of their lives by ‘Oh we know where his family comes from, who does he/she think they are’ ;)

One more feature we are still suffering from would be the fact that we always need one strong person from our own sect to support in order to feel safe, regardless whether this person makes sense or not. And this applies on all religions, no exceptions.

One small reply to Ado: Why do we need early elections? MA and his allies lost the game and were left out of the government. That is what happens in all democracies around the world. You team up with a bunch, you either win or lose, it is a risk and he accepted it from the start. When you lose, you move to the ‘moo3arada’ side until the term is over. You do not see opposition in other countries calling every day for early elections everytime they lose and everytime the government is not to their liking. Get real, please!

It is the first time I comment on this blog even though I’ve been checking it from the start of the war, guess Mus is rolling his eyes now lol.

Cheers.

muustafa,

thanks alot,
aoun the ubnormal almost humain is loosing so many of his popularity.
they are living in the past and still trying to juge geagea. aoun is no longer general he’s now a soldier under nasallah orders.
he will do anything just to be president. god help lebanon.
a man who scream in the face of a reporter and tell her that she’s crazy need alot of help……….
thx again moustafa,, god help us and help lebanon.

If the Syria/Iran ?ha project is to be contained or better yet marginalized then it is time for many to stand up and lend their moral support to the voice of Jumblat that has been thus far a lonely one in opposing the machinations of Nasrallah/Beri et al. Another potentially important development of the LF demonstration is to make it clear that Aoun does not enjoy the support that he claims that he does. But a Jumblat/Geagea Duo is not enough. They are badly in need of a strong decisive voice from the PM who has opted so far not to use a big stick either because he is not able to or maybe because he does not want to. One must not forget to add to the stands of Jumblat/Geagea the positions espoused by Mufti Ali Al-Amin and I would hope that minister Safadi will find his voice to lend support to the March 14 group especially because he is the person who has been able to defeat Karami twice and because his voice will also add a regional balance that is much needed.
All in all the developments in favour of civil society seem to have at last started to move in the right direction. I just hope that Mohammad Safadi will decide to take a clear stand in support of freedom and democracy. His support is sorely needed.

I believe in a free,democratic,sovereign Lebanon……..
I don’t believe in weapons being possessed by groups other than the lebanese Army………
I’m with the sovereignity of the law…….
And if i’m against the possesion of weapons by Hizbollah,i can never tolerate or accept such criminals such as Geagea and Jumblat to be my other choice……
As for n10452 deffending the low life criminal Geagea i say this terrorist has been convicted for murdering Dany Chamoun,and manny others by lebanese courts…..and talking about the retarded Dory Chamoun,i think if Dany or Camille Chamoun where still alive,they would have died of heart attack hearing Dory the dork speak……..
And for the one who said Aoun is now just a soldiere in Hizbollah’s army?????what should we say about Geagea being just the dog to kid Saad 7ariri…….coz if not for 7ariri Junior and Nassrallah,we LF wouldn’t have dreamed of having even one Pm………..

It seems that the 14th March people are actually falling for their own propaganda.

The rally was small, no matter how much the 14th March Media talk it up. The exxageration has become a joke in the Christian community as people ridicule the claims of the LF. You are so off the ‘pulse’.

woooooow ,this is sooooo funny !!!!!!! first of all ,the rally on sunday wasnt all ouwet ,if you people read french and english newspapers u will know that there was 200 buses that left from beirut that were under the order from saiid hariri , saiid hariri told his followers to go up but not to carry other that the ouwet flags ,and my friend is from verdun ,and she is with mustaqbal and she also got an invitation to go up but she wanst allowed to carry other that the ouwet flag !!!! and i saw with my own eyes a car that had 6 people in it and they were all carrying junblats flag !!!! so please when you want to talk about all christians ,hide the evidence that proves u wrong.
second of all ,when ja3ja3 wants to talk about resistance ,what an evil resistance he was ,he killed christians !!!!!!!! the ouwet would stop cars and ask them if they were aouniyi and they would kill them ,they went up to my grandfathers (may god rest his soul ) and shot his store and killed him ,they kidnapped my neighbor just because he was aouni and kept him under ground for 25 days in the dark,is this what ja3ja3 the criminal means about resistance ????? he means he was resistance to christians ???/?
please the last person in the world who should talk about resistance is ja3ja3 ,
and when he said in his speech that befor the hkumit wihdi wataniyi there should be wihdi wataniyi ,how the hell can he say that when all his speech was only for christians ??????????????? and yes SAAYED hassan nasrallah was talking to all lebanese people ,he didnt say ya muslimiyeen ,he said ya lubnaniyeen ,it doesnt matter if there was surians or palestians ,his speech wants for them ,his speech was for lebanon and its people .
and when ja3ja3 wants to talk about christians ,he is destroying our only christian chair ,the presidency ,i dont care who the president is but he is putting all christians down when he keeps insulting it and he shuts up like a coward when he knows that saiid hariri is not letting all the politicians from outside go 2 lahoud ,what a coward !!!! but again i cant blame him , when saiid hariri is paying him all that money ofcourse he is going to be hariris puppet !!!!!!!!!!!!!
and by the way his speech was written by the hariri people
so please wake up and start reading american newspapers and see what they r saying
and lets see where saiid hariri is going to get you people ,cuz for ur information ,france and saiid hariri are planning to change the dostoor ,so the next president will not be christian ,it will be sunni ,and this is a well known fact in the french journal newspaper ,they r planning 2 change the dostoor ,
WAKE UP people
and last thing i want to say ,i am 100 5 christian maroniyi ,i am with aoun and SAYYED HASSAN NASRALLAH till death cuz they r the only men in lebanon who ma 3am yo2irtuna ,ma hada khasso from where sayyed hassan nasrallah gets his money ,at least he isnt stealing it from u people like saiid hariri and senyoura are . at leats he is helping people with his money not like the hkumi that is stealing eeverything from lebanese people .for your information the money u pay for cellualr cards ,electricity ,water ect ….. 90 % of that money goes to hariri and his criminla hkumi
why do u think they dont want 2 do early elections???? cuz they know and they r sure that if aoun goes in the hkumi ,they will not be able 2 steal anymore for their pockets .
sometimes i feel so sorry 4 u people cuz u just follow ur leaders words,if ja3ja3 tells u go jump off the buildning all of u will
and by the way ,ur soooooooo happy with ja3ja3 and junblats friendship ,dekhilkon ,wasnt junblat the one who killed all the christians in the jabal ?????
then why is it ok for ja3ja3 to yithilaf with junblat but it isnt ok for aoun ti yithilaf with sayyed hassan ???
1 more question and i hope a smart person can answer me this : junb;at has killed so many christians ,has SAYYED hassan every killed 1 lebanese person ? or harmed 1 lebanese person ?
go wake up u stupid people

Good article, however i would like to clarify some things to some of the people who have posted their personal comments about the article and the event. They are free to say as they wish, but facts are facts. Whoever said that Hariri and his gang sent up a number of their followers to make the crowd seem large is completely wrong. Lies were spread all over the place and i couldn’t believe my eyes when i saw what the tayyar.org website had posted about the event on saturday. In a short article, it had talked about some 300 buses which were going to be provided by Hariri with hundreds of Muslim followers from areas such as Dunieh to make the crowd look large… The article originates from some unreliable bias pro-syrian, pro-hizballa newspaper. I was up there (in Harissa) and i must say that it is not true at all. It was a mass after all! It is sad to see that there are actually people who believe such propaganda, especially with our high educational standards in Lebanon! I am sure the numbers were way above 200,000 people, of which were mostly Christian, if not all. Thats not counting the people who were not able to make it due to the traffic and the people who woke up too late (but were planning to go up) because they did not feel like waking up early on a sunday morning! I will never forget the ‘convoy’ of cars and buses on the highway from Zalka to Junieh. It is the largest i have ever seen. I have never seen so many Christians going to any event of any kind. It was something to be proud of, something any Lebanese should be proud of. Hopefully, the Lebanese people will wake up and Christians will have their say again and will be represented by a true leader.
I want to remind everyone that the point of the gathering was in memorial for the martyrs of the Lebanese Forces during the civil War. Believe me, Lebanon would not be what it is today if it weren’t for them. Do not get me wrong; many questionable things were done by the Lebanese Forces at the time but thats beside the point. This mass takes place every year and it is not done to show popularity in any way. However this year was different; it was the first time that Dr. Samir Geagea participated.
Dr. Geagea’s speech was great in every way possible and was straight to the point. Once again he has proven to the Lebanese people what a charismatic leader he really is. He showed us that he is not scared to say what he wants, what the people want to hear. Please refrain from bringing up the past of this man because no Lebanese politician nowadays has a clear record (including Aoun to whoever thinks he is a saint). It is time we talk about his present stances and not about his past. It is not fair to talk about his past and not talk about all the others. He has not budged from his original line like many others have done.
Finally, I would also like to comment about the awesome organization done by the Lebanese Forces students and organisers for the event this year. It was something we were not used to seeing from the party and i trully hope that they will keep up the good work! It was the best event organised by the Lebanese Forces after the release of Dr. Geagea from prison.
By the way ‘ado’ there were hundreds of Lebanese flags at the event and i guess you did not see the biggest flag (since you were probably watching Al Manar or reading some pro-syrian news source and with shame i say that tayyar.org is becoming close to joining the long list) of them all which was the flag of Lebanon, in the middle of the ’seha’ of Harissa. It was a proud Lebanese flag, lifted high above all others. So please get your facts right before you start spreading even more lies. Enough is enough!

yes exactly it was a mass,thats why all the ouwet shouldnt have been screaming and yelling and putting songs on infront of harisa.and as well as i know u know 2 that if sayyed hassan didnt do his rally on friday ,there wouldnt have been that much people who went up on sunday ,it was all nkiyit just 2 show him that u can also try 2 get so much people up 2 harisa.
and i saw with my own eyes the junblat flags on lbc tv .and so what if u were up there ,did u go up 2 every single person and ask them if they were from tayyar mustaqbal ????? or do u have the sixth sense 2 know who r christians and who r sunni ???
no i didnt think so ,cuz as i said befor my friend is in tayyat mustaqbal and she lives in verdun and she got an invatation from tayyar mustaqbal 2 participate but not to carry other than the ouwet flag . and yes we r going to talk about ja3ja3 past when all he does is talk about hezbollah and y7ijimon ,his past is apart of him and his past didnt change and he will always be a criminal who killed christians thats why he is the last person who should talk about wihdi wataniyi or about resistance .
and if it was a mass for the lebanese forces who passed away ,god rest their souls,then why was his speech only 2 minutes for them and the rest was for sayyed hassan nasrallah ???????????/???

TO ALL 3AWNYYE GUYS!!!!!

Bravo ana bass badde hanykoun espacially the 3awnyeh.
1st i would like to say that in the beginning i used to like 3oun & dislike the ouwet. Bass now, I can feel that what he wants is only the KIrsee, even though he has to change all the ideas he defended before. He is a self- absorbed person & in case he becomes the president, bitkoun kersse lal balad.
ba3den kell ma wa7ad baddo yfarginna adde cha3byto badna na3mello Intikhabet se3et yalli talli3 3abelo. LET HIM SHOW US WHAT THE NEXT ELECTIONS WILL B. but am sure, b4 the next elections bi7arik mawdiou3 el assra yalli bi syria (prisonners that he seems 2 forget now), ta yerba7 el da3em el massi7e.

about sunday’s mass all the people yalli 3am yente2do 3am ye7ko min ahroun.YES THERE WERE MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY people.& why would they carry lebanese flags since it was a mass for 2ouwet martyrs?
to all 3awnyye, mbossto bi Hassan Nasrrallah, the person that U & ur general saw as the leader of a milichia!!!!
ba3den pls stop talking about the war, ALL of them did mistakes.( Even MA el salem 3ala issmo), &tell me a year ago weren’t u defending what geagea said in his speeches?
If MA is crazy, what about all the people that are supporting him? ARE THEY BLIND? DEAF??

Isnt it the time for us christians to be united & leave all those stupid &crazu leaders deal with their 3i2ad?????????

mustapha,
u have foreign readers. Do u feel it is right to ignore HA demonstration completely with out dedicating it any post (despite ur opinion about it), and then after that u just post about the ouwet rally.
far till now, I think that u know how the meida game plays. But even in almanar, they might not put the event they oppose live, but surely they don’t ignore it in the evening news.
A last thing on “hundreds of thousands” phrase. With all due respect, but the use of “hundreds” means at least more than 200 hundreds thousand, do u feel that it was more than that?
I didn’t watch tv but i find it interesting to hear that LBCI didn’t use such a phrase. ;)
regards,

dream on, dreamer. Tabb let’s have an election and see how much each will get. If Geagea is so popular, why is the Christian representation in the government set by Hariri?

Hilal,

Mustafa is free to highlight whichever events he wants and ignore others.

At the end of the day, what you may be hinting at is the discourse of selective coverage, wishful thinking, and geared (read: crooked) analysis. This can only harm those who use it. This applies to both sides. It is more obvious in the “Cedar Revolutionaries” because they capitalized on it so much already that they feel great bitterness because of the discrepancy between their expected state and their current state. The realism of the other side seems to be its most reliable asset, provided they do not fall into any ecstacy or romanticism because of their recent “victories”.

Wow how many people are burning inside because of what happened on monday! Embrase the fact IT WAS 1 of THE BIGGEST CHRISITAN GATheRING IN THE HISTORY OF LEBANON! i was with the organizers and there were only 10 scouts that represented jumblat symbolically! unlike aounist that get hezb allah supporters and make them dress orange to show that there are people behind him! WE ARE HERE NA7NOU 7OUNA! wanabka

hona, not 7ouna, ya rafik.

I didnt say the crowd was 100% Christian you retard! The invitation was open to all, from all sects. Ahla ew sahla to the ishtirakieh at the event they are most welcome, although i did not see any. Most of my friends @ uni are from tayyar el moustaqbal and they didn’t get any invitations of the sort you liar.
When the general called for the ‘ilgha2 war’ against the Lebanese Forces, hundreds of Christians were killed by the army. Many of the martyrs of the LF were killed by GMA’s war (which of course he lost). This means that your saint Aoun has also killed Christians! Again you are bringing up the mans past (Dr. Samir Geagea) which shows how ma27our you are!!! Its so funny, you cannot find anything wrong about his speeches today that you have to bring up events and stories of the past!
Another thing the whole 1 hour mass was for the martyrs of the LF you fucking retard!!! The speech outside the church was for other reasons so get your facts right.
When all that nassrallah talks about is his weapons and how he’s going to hold on tight to them (and constantly attacking the government), expect strong leaders like Geagea to talk back without any fear!! LF, the true resistance!

god bless samir geagea we are all lebanese forces.i used to be 3awne i am so ashamed to say it now i.i transformed into a 100 percent lebanese forces member and i hate michel aoun el kaleb tfou 3lek ya mishel 3on ya kheyin .le7i2 hezb alla w kleb souriya ya 7ayawen nchalla btightelak israel aw souria ya kalb samir geagea 2ileh m2addas w michel 3on kalb 7ayawen kill el masi7iyye ouwet wkillna ma3 el mista2bal wil ishtirakiyye

to all aounieh
wake u guys don’t let anyone play with u like tous
first of all ca not judge samir geagea as being a criminal , ur saint didn’t kill lf people during his 2elgha2 war ? he has the right to do it or aren’t those people 2?
ba3den i agree with u samir geagea made many mistakes in the past but at least he suffered for 11 years in prison while he could have escaped like ur saint and leave lf people suffer alone like ur general has done .
ba3den lets not talk about the past ? is ur saint allowed to be with all syrian parties marada hozballa talal 2erslen michel lmor?
r u blind or what ?u r saying that lf r jumblat dogs ,i think it is much better than beig syrian dog at least jumblat is fighting syrian he is honest and love lebanon i am not defending him but i can see he has been afraid before he was threaten but it is obvious he hated syrian from the begining of course they have killed his father but he thought he could do nothing then alone .
wake up please and love lebanon ,don’ be leaders’ slaves

رسالة من لبناني مسيحي إلى سمير جعجع - الطالب هادي سعيد

رسالة من لبناني مسيحي إلى سمير جعجع
حضرة الأستاذ سمير جعجع المحترم،
أود أن أبدأ رسالتي لك باعتذارين، الأول للقارئ الذي أتوجه إليه بأول مقالة تعبر عن طائفتي التي لم أشأ البوح بها يوماً، لا لأنني أخجل بها بل لانني كنت أفضل أن أبقى على لبنانيتي. أما الإعتذار الثاني فهو لك، لأنني لن أناديك باللقب الأحب إلى قلبك، حكيم، وذلك بسبب عدم قناعتي به، نظراً لعدم امتلاكك الشهادة التي تخولك الحصول عليه أو تحرمك منه.
في بدايتك في قيادة القوات، أطلقت شعار “أمن المجتمع المسيحي فوق كل إعتبار” وأطحت به عرض الحائط، لكنه بقي حبر على حيطان وورق لأنك لم تعمل على إنجازه وتحقيقه لا بل كانت أعمالك شاهدة على عكسه. بدأت رحلتك السوداء مع الكثير من المشاكل مع الرئيس الشهيد الشيخ بشير الجميل، وتطاولت عليه سعياً منك أن تكون القائد، وأكملت المشوار مع إعترافك بأنك من اغتال طوني فرنجية وذلك في محاضرة ألقيتها في دير القمر. ثم أتت حرب الجبل حيث قمت بتهجير حوالي ال700 الف مسيحي من الشوف بسبب فشلك في قيادة وإدارة الحرب، وبدل البحث عن طرق سلمية لإرجاعهم، أكملت على شرق صيدا وأوصلت التهجير الى إقليم الخروب. وكان هاجسك الوحيد هو تسلم قيادة القوات، فاستغليت فرصة الإتفاق الثلاثي لتقوم بانتفاضتك على ايلي حبيقة وتتسبب بمصرع حوالي ال800 شاب شهيد نصفهم سقط نائماً في منزله أو غرقاً في البحر حي، والجدير ذكره أن مرشح القوات في دائرة بعبدا - عاليه هو من أهم وجوه هذا الإتفاق حيث مثل الحزب التقدمي الإشتراكي. وبلغ أسوداد تاريخك ذروته يوم تألفت حكومة العماد ميشال عون والتي وصفتها بحكومة الاستقلال، ومن “بيمون الجنرال” إلى محاولات عدة لاغتياله، ثم قمت بمجزرة عمشيت حيث بعد قتل الضباط قمت بتقطيعهم إلى أجزاء. أما بالنسبة إلى مجزرتي المتحف ونهر الموت، فالثانية أطلقت حجة أنه وصلتك أخبار ومعطيات تفيد بأن المتظاهرين يحملون سلاحاً وقمت بتصفيتهم ثم اتضح أن سلاحهم كان كناية عن شموع وأغصان زيتون داعية إلى السلم ووقف الحرب. أما الاولى فلا حجة لها لأن من استشهد داخل الحافلة هم تلاميذ مدرسة مدججين بكتب وأقلام ودفاتر. كيف مات داني شمعون؟
لماذا لا تحكي عن الحادثة وتثبت برائتك؟ لماذا سمحت لشبابك بإنشاد أناشيد الفرح يوم 12 تشرين؟ ولماذا قامت القوات بقصف القصر الجمهوري في بعبدا؟ كيف تبرر دعوتك لرئيس المخابرات السورية غازي كنعان إلى غدراس، معقل المسيحيين، بعد أن حرم عليه دخول تلك المنطقة أكثر من 18 عام؟ وفي العام نفسه، أي في ال1991 قمت ببيع عقارات لبنانية لأشخاص غير لبنانية لا بل غير مسيحية، وهنا أعود وأذكر بلا طائفيتي لكنني أود معرفة السبب الذي يدعو طرف يدعي الدفاع عن مجتمع ما ببيع الاراضي التابعة لهذا المجتمع. وإذا لم تتذكر عن أي عقار أتكلم، أدعوك إلى مراجعة عقد البيع لأرض في شننعير في تاريخ 16 أيلول حيث نجد إسم أحد مؤسسي القوات ورئيس مجلس ادارة شركة تملكها القوات، فهو من قام بتلك الصفقة. كيف تدعي السير على خطى البشير؟ هل بتكسير وتمزيق صوره كما حصل في انطلياس؟ أم بإلغاء الرزنامة البشيرية من الإذاعات؟ أو بطرد زوجته من مكتبها في المجلس الحربي؟ أم بزيارة قتلته، حيث توجهت إلى سوريا معزياً بباسل الاسد فكانت رسالة الشكر منهم سجنك فترة أحد عشر عاماً جعلت منك أوساطك الإعلامية سجين المجتمع المسيحي والناطق الرسمي باسمه وباسم الفيديرالية لكنك سرعان ما تخليت عنهما فور خروجك من الزنزانة، لا بل وقفت بجانب سجانيك وفضلتهم على أبناء مجتمعك.
بالطبع لست فرحاً ابداً بمقالتي هذه، فانا لم أتصور يوماً أن أوجه قلمي بصوب أبناء قومي ومجتمعي وطائفتي، لكن العار الذي ألحقه امثالك بطائفتي وبلدي هو الذي دفعني إلى الكتابة، فانت من دعاة الحقيقة وها هي حقيقتك.

الطالب هادي سعيد

i didnt see many lebanese flags here as well

samir nasrallah and hassan geagea… all the same.

Hey Mustapha,
Thanks for starting this debate - a wondefully maddening insight on the lebanese Christian psyche. I regret I am one of them.

Judging from these comments though, you might need to go back to screening (eg. anon 9:31) And to you anon. In some ways, I am happy you are disillusioned by GMA but do you really really need an alternative? Inno do you really really need to become an ouwetjeh?? It is people like you who make me lose all hope possible. Your crude language and your paranoia/need for a “christian leader” show you for the z3oureh that you are anyway. Shame on you

I was a little offended by your post. Why should Lebanese people who have Christian IDs have to chose between Geagea and Nasrallah? Some argue that this situation is due to Aoun’s blackmailing, and we can’t deny that he put many people in an awkward position.
But there is a deeper problem here. Although it may be true that no one at Geagea’s parade was chanting “Nidal 7atta el-mawt” (I wasn’t there to verify), I’m not the only one who would be uncomfortable at a rally whose announced purpose is to celebrate martyrs who defended Lebanese sovereignty — which is just fine — but whose public has alarmingly fascist tendencies, and whose “under-rated leader” is accused of having ordered mass murder and ethnic cleansing. And yet he’s the only “Christian” alternative to Aoun.
Doesn’t that say anything about us Lebanese ?
Let’s get real. I am christian according to my ID. Let’s suppose that right now I feel that Saniora, despite his short-comings and past blunders, has the most balanced views. Can I hope to join the Future movement and have an influence on its general policy? No, and not even if I were Sunni. If hundreds of Future movement supporters at one point in time started to disagree with the leadership of the movement on an issue, can they hope to change that policy when they beome a majority within the movement?
The same goes for the pseudo-democratic FPM who apparently revolves more around a personality cult than the outspokenly dictatorial Hezbollah, which in comparison relies a little more on an apparently consistent doctrine.
Are we hopeless?

To all who are accusing Aoun of aligning himslef with HA (which is not true, killa warkit tafahoum to avoid civil war) I have htese questions: Why did you accept HA in your government, why did you run on his lists in the elections, do you think Hariri’s sister would be elected without HA’s agreement? Please ask yourself these hard questions before accusing Aoun with this rubbish. When you get real answers and still not convinced of how crooked your politicians are, start asking these questions: why have Jumblatt dealt with the Syrians for 20 years after they killed his father, why did Hariri Fahter extend for Lahous his term? why did McArthy the US ambassador wondered from the steps of president Mouawad why is Samir Geagea still silent? (one week after the war between LF and LA took place)? if still not convinced, I guess I am not asking writing to an audience that thinks logically, please ignore my post

to ranouna,
your statement has a big flaw: teh martyrs are for the Lebanese resistence and not kouwat only, the LF came only after Bashir murdered the rest in Safra.
And by Lebanese resistence I mean the people who believes in independent Lebanon, not Christian state that was the LF political agenda. Speaking of which, what is the current LF agenda? following Saad el hariri should not be a complete political strategy, ther should be a better one, can you please share it with us.

i just wanna thk Hadi said for this great article… i wanna know why ouwet protestors hate general Aoun and don’t except to put there hands with him and on the other side they shake hands with the people who put him in jail and killed ur brothers & sisters,wake up guys no one except Micheal Aoun is working as a Christian leader,his the only one who’s working for ur good,and take this idea tht Lebanon can stand with one religion,we have to live all together and stop putting hizbollah aside aren’t they lebanese like we are,aren’t they
fighting for our liberty,10452km2 is what the leader Bachir Jmayel asked for…. i guess thts what we all want 10452km2

I read the 39 comments (except the one Mustapha deleted) and I have one thing to say: we are such a divided society that we still have not learned to start accepting each other. One anonyomus had to put it the way:”wondefully maddening insight on the lebanese Christian psyche”, actually this works on Lebanese Christians as well as the Lebanese Muslims. Aoun is a psycho, Geagea is a traitor, Hariri kid is a kid, Nasrallah is a war monger and a terrorist, Jumblatt is a flip flopper, etc… why can’t we discuss ideas, political plans, economic strategies, Israel and Syria’s hidden agendas? DOes it always have to be on the peronal level of the leaders? Why can’t we admit that each one has people that he represents and pay little bit of respect to those people? the more you insult this leader, teh more you insult their followers. A disfunctional society, that is what we are unfortunately.

Mustafa i read u re article and let just say i laughed for hours because it contained a lot of bull shits!First if u mean that hundred of thousand mean not more than 25000 than u re right!you guys are obssesed by everything aoun does because you are so scared of him that u keep talking badly abt him!GMA is the most honest christian man!If a paper with hezbollah was agreed on so that u morrons don t risk a civil war than u don t deserve such a man!LF are the minority of course even if they think they were a lot at harissa!news flash even LBC said 10 of thousands and u were nothin !can u believe they drowned in their own propangada!Lf wich are only 9% of christians thank god are helping saiid hariri in his plan to elect a sinni president!Thx a lot w el tawtin ma lah yssir w el president will always bi christian talama el general michel aoun w el orange mawjoud on the ground i garantee u that!hassan nissrallah has more dignity that any of the 14 february(not march because el 3awniyeh khallo 3adadoun yzid wa2ta)!lebanese by nature and proud by choice!GMA thx a lot because of u a lot of christians didn t lost hope!thx u mustafa for showing us how scared u are of the FPM!c u guys

There is only one thing i would like to know. Can somebody is able to rell me what michel aoun did for our country since 1975 until now???

ya habile 14 shbat or 14 azar ma ba3ref shou msamyin 7alkon!ento kelkon teswou eyro la neasralla w 3awn!ento el moujermin ya lebanese forces ya ouweeeeeet ento atalto masi7iye!7ezb alla bi 7ayeto ma da2 bel masi7iye 3ayb 3a sharafkon ya ouwet tfeh tfeh!

Dear All,

It’s seams that all of u are bling. Because you are talking about problems without knowing the reason of it and how to solve it.
First all pro syr(like marad or aslan or hizb l alah) or pro west(like moustakbal) are LEBANEASE and we can’t erase any partie.
Second our pb isn’t pure lebanease it’s related to the conflict in this FUCKING world between the big nation like IRAN-USA-SAUDI… Much of know that USA give the green light to syria to rule Lebanon nad know they stop them and IRAN is pushing huzbalah to some issues and saudi is supporting partie in leabnon…that’s wrong wrong it should be stoped.
Third the major pb is that we don’t have a good DASTOR no clear rules and of corse no SYSTEM.

Best
Regards.

Mustafa please do us all a favor and don t talk about harissa el salem 3ala essmah cause your not worthy of her!Second always check your information to prevent urself from spreading lies!Third Michel aoun whether you like it or not will always represent the christians i am sorry but it s a fact!Why dont they do early elections??mmmmmmm i believe i ll let you think about this!why don t they change the law of the elections?who helped them in baanda w 3aleh?Before the election nasrrallah asked GMA if he is with or against 1559!Gma told them that he is with it because it must be applied but not by force!than nasrallah asked jumblat wat he thought and the stupid said that he is against it and that if anyone tries to disarm hizbollah he will personnally fight with them on the borders!And that s how 14 february got their deputies….Now are they liers?cheaters?criminals or just stupid?

ORANGE ORANGE ORANGE!the true color of the majority of the christians thx you!

Mustapha, take my opinion and ( rou7 bi3 fejel ). You have no Idea what is going on in the Christian streets. You seem like Hariri Junior, Jumblat & Geagea ( the criminal), you treat Lebanese people as fish ( fish are known for their 3 second memory time ).

hey nice web my email is abed_sayed11@hotmail.com

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