Just for the record, Hizbullah did kill 2 Israeli babies during the war.

Could you comment latest videos released by IDF in which it is clear that Hizbola does hide the rocket launchers among civilian population? Don’t Lebanese feel that they are being used as a loose change by radicals?
one of the videos:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGgwfSitO4E&search=IAF

Thanks for posting a response on the main page to these consistently repeated questions/excuses. The civlian target argument is a joke. It doesn’t matter what one says their “intentions” are publicly, what matters is what has actually happened as a result of their actions. Israel’s killed over 700 Lebanese civilians, Hezbollah around 35. If Hezbollah is only interested in killing innocent civilians as we’re told, it is doing a horrible job. We’re never told that they’re targetting military sites in Haifa, or hope to effect Israel’s economy by shutting down a major city.

Anyway, there are more quetions/excuses you can address if you want, such as: Israel gives warnings, Israel has to disarm Hezbollah because UN Resolution 1559 said they must but they haven’t yet, Arabs/Muslims hate Jewish people and want to kill them all, the Mid-East is a big mess so let us (Americans, British, Europeans) just sit back and let them kill each other (as if we have no involvement or responsibility).

Also, you’ve experienced the CNN-effect, so you’ve gotten a ton of visits from Americans. We are told by our teachers, media, and leaders that Israel is always right and only acts in self-defense, and anyone who questions that is crazy (”anti-Semite,” Nazi-supporter, etc). Thank god we have the Internet now because many people will finally be exposed to alternative points of view, like this site, that they never would have seen in the past.

Q: Israel doesn’t target civilians, Hezbollah does. Doesn’t that make Israel morally superior?

A: People here look at results. For every bit of shattered glass in Haifa, there’s a dead Lebanese civilian. Besides, a lot of Lebanese doubt that you are too blind to see clearly marked civilian targets, like ambulances and UN-posts. We honestly believe that you pretend these to be mistakes, while secretely intending to terrorize us into submission. One word: It won’t happen

so let me see if i get what your answer is ……. since hezbollahs aim sucks and the rockets miss there target hezbollah is morally superior ? maybe people there should look at the steps israel has taken to try to get civilians out of the southern areas ……… what steps did hezbollah take to get israeli civilians out of the rocket areas? NONE of course not the idea of hezbollah is to kill as many israeli civilians as possible

the bombing of the un post which doubled as a hezbollah rocket post is totally acceptable ……. maybe people there should also look at the locations that hezbollah fire there rockets from ……… makes me wonder what a un post is doing in a war zone but that’s the un for ya …………..

now a question you may want to also address ………. what is the safest place in Israel?
my answer is anywhere the idf is since hezbollah just targets civilians …….

and saying that israel is trying to “terrorize us into submission” isn’t that pot calling the kettle black

Sorry, BS, but the 10% who believe that ARE the threat. In Lebanon, they’re the ones with the 10,000 plus missiles. They’re also the ones who have have a fondness for suicide bombings, many in Israel, but also in far flung places like Argentina (and, god knows, Iraq).

Prediction - if solid proof shows that the Qana tragedy was caused by the explosion of an HB missile cache caused by the nearby explosion of an Israeli missile, the Arab street outrage will simmer down to nothing (just like the Arab street outrage about the relentless bombing of Shia by Sunnis in Iraq).

Is Hezzbollah’s position that Lebanon should stay in Lebanon or that israel should be pushed into the sea?
They are so strongly affilliated with Iran that we assume Hezzbollah will attack Israel until one or the other is eliminated. Our American media makes this same assumption and portrays that peace between Israel and Lebanon is possible wheras peace between Israel and Hezzbollah is not. Is this accurate? If not then explain why.

Because to be quite frank, we americans think that Lebanon is screwed until they get rid of Hezz. The way we see it, you can die now by israeli bombs or you can die later by hezzbollah bullets. War with Israel will kill two or three thousand of you. The civil war will probably kill 50 or 60 thousand. So why should we interfere? Last time we interefered you murdered our unarmed marines and had a civil war anyway. Nope. Don’t look to us for to come to your resucue unless you put together a plan to avoid doing it all over again.

to the U.S., these are the important issues.

First question, Egypt and Jordon doesn’t have your problem now do they? Why is that?

Second question, Zidane is an idiot that would never be welcome on my team no matter how good he is. Mediocre talant and strong mental discipline will always beat the most talanted but undisciplined. He retaliated to something that was said that he knew not to be true. And his team lost because he was not there when they needed him the most. Its a bad example, yet it sums up the situation perfectly on why we continue to have these middle east flare ups.

The road to hell is paved with good intensions isn’t it ?

> what steps did hezbollah take to get israeli civilians out of the rocket areas? NONE

Errr …
The point was the steps don’t matter because the civilians who did not flee, obviously could not even if they wanted to (too poor to have a car, no public transport will reach their area, the bridge or road to their village was bombed …)

In all cases if it makes you feel better, Hassan Nasrallah went on TV and said in his famous speech now if they want an open war let it be an open war, tomorrow we will bomb hayfa and if they keep it up we will bomb beyond hayfa.

So there is your warning. Two days before they bombed Haifa, yet no Lebanese was stupid enough to go publicly and blame the death of the Israeli civilians on the civilians themselves because they failed to evacuate after Hizbollah’s warning.

For some reasons the Lebanese realize it is a stupid excuse to say we warned you before we killed your civilians but some of you guys find it valid and honorable excuse when the IDF does it, only see it as a stupid excuse when Hizballah do it… oh well.

Moron99,
> Is Hezzbollah’s position that Lebanon should stay in Lebanon
> or that israel should be pushed into the sea?

Are you asking a question to get an answer or to shout LIARS no matter what the answer is? Let’s find out.

Of course we lebanese don’t claim to read minds and intentions, but here is a link to the latest agreement/document they signed a few months ago with another Lebanese party.

The document contains lots of inter Lebanese points but I will quote the sections relating to Israel in point 10:

“(…) the definition of objective conditions that would lead to a cessation of the reasons and justifications for keeping those [Hizbollah's] weapons. (…)

A- Liberating the Shebaa Farms from the Israeli occupation.
B- Liberating the Lebanese prisoners from Israeli prisons.
C- Protecting Lebanon from Israeli threats through a national dialogue leading to the formulation of a national defense strategy over which the Lebanese agree to and subscribe to by assuming its burdens and benefiting from its outcomes.
”

So unless we go into the mind reading business Hizbollah, at least according to the paper they signed, do not require pushing Israel to the sea in order to drop their weapons.

Does that answer you question ?

> now a question you may want to also address ………. what is the safest place in Israel?

Well let’s see according to BBC, 19 Israeli civilians were killed by Hizbolah rockets in three weeks of fighing, according to this the most recent stats say that 183 people killed in road accident in June 2003 , considering the odds, so I would say the safest place in Israel would be away from cars?

No ?

Only half serious
TAC

Unlike Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan kicked out any islamic radicals out of their countries. If you closely followed the situation noone except Iran, Siria and Qatar supported HIZ. Even the arab countries at this point fed up with all the madness and violence radical islam bring. There’s a handfull places in the world where some mojaheds screaming “a-la-la jihad-muhamed muhamed-jihad”(c)Team America didn’t cause distruction.

Was this suppossed to answer questions in order to get sympathy or to convince people you really hate Isreal. I’ll say it succeeded at the latter. Still holds, the more I read these blogs the less I care how many Lebanese die, and the more I am convinced that Isreal’s actions are the only type theat will work here. Sad but true, familiarity breeds contempt, at least when this is what you see when you become familiar with the Lebanese.

Mustapha, I saw this site on cnn and I must say I’ve been enjoying the comments posted by both sides. As to your comment “We honestly believe that you pretend these to be mistakes, while secretely intending to terrorize us into submission. One word: It won’t happen.”

Maybe I’m just an ignorant foreigner… but… do you really believe that the people in Israel - or even the government - wants to terrorize the Lebanese people into submission? This seems a ridiculous statement to me, and to appreciate the situation you must look at the Israeli’s situation. I agree, Israel was created where Palestine (whether ruled by another foreign power at the time or not) used to be. This is not fair, and I can’t begin to understand how I would feel if foreign interests took my country from me. That being said, Israel now finds itself surrounded by hatred, living in a world where many countries and powers have stated openly that they want them dead.

Stating that you want to see Israelis’ dead is not a foundation for peace, but rather the opposite. Can anyone shed some light as to why Israel should stop it’s military campaign against an enemy that clearly states it would rather die than live beside them?

I was a fervent Hizbollah hater,and in the begining of the war i blamed Hizbollah for it……
But now after i see the Israely savagery,and its killing of civillians and destroying our country,and the blind american support for the carnage,i tell you all israely and americans i am now an all Hizbollah supporter,and all of us lebanses are Hizbollah……
I always thought you israelies where a more civilized nation and believed in peace with israel and thought we should get rid of Hizbollah…….
but now i can see that you israelies are bloodthirsty people that feed on children’s blood….
You are the legal inheritant of the Nazis,Olmert is proudly the secret son of Hitler……
Israelies are the new Nazis……

The questions you have responded to are what I would call softballs. You should try something more difficult.

Q What is your opinion of the use of civilians as human shields by Hezbollah?

My response would be that they have learned that it is an exceeding valuable weapon, more powerful than anything in their arsenal. The UN post bombing was the proof that it works, and the slaughter in Qana was the masterpiece. All of those innocents have now been martyred for the cause, how glorius.
(end response)

I suppose you could deny it, but the proof is obvious. Civilian deaths have greatly exceeded Hezbollah deaths. Yet the Isralies use smart weapons and satellite precision strikes. There is certainly no strategic value in targeting civilians over military targets, in fact as I stated above, it is clearly the opposite.

The world is so easily fooled.

Maybe this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGgwfSitO4E) will answer your question why more civilians die then hezbollahterrorists.

As a father and an israeli (who lives outside of israel at this time) i was horrified and sad to see and hear about the Qana. I truly hope there will be peace.
I saw peace marches in Israel and people voicing antiwar sentiment. but i did not see one person protesting agains attacks from southern Lebanon in the last 6 years. 6 years ago israel pulled out of Lebanon to the blue line which was 100% backed up by the UN. so, why? in the last 6 years evey few months northen israel go hit by rockets? why military personal were abducted from Israeli soil? how long?
some of you said Israel is the enemy. But only israel has a peace movment, non of the other countries surrounding has one that speak out. No one in israel is calling to destroy any country but every single leader (aside of jordan and egypt) hails this plan.
The Lebanese government and people are suffereing and why? because they let a few people to control their land and drag them to a war that is used by other contries.
So, you can call Israel satan and Natzi etc. and you can back Hizzbullla but after this round is over and you sit down, think … was it worth it? did you realy want this to happen. who is really responsible for this? did Israel call for destruction of you or did you, Iran (that has no border with israel).
when will you figure out that you are paying the price for them. they will fight israel until the last lebanese is dead. where is the support? these kids were inocent they paid the price for iranian backed group.
now, you are using the”attack civillians”. Israeli civillians are targents from day one. all the rockets were aimed at civilians in israel what about them? so it is ok to hit Haifa, naharyh, kiriat shemona, are their lives is less important then those in Qana or Beirut?

Reading this board and some of the trluly racist and bloodthirsty comments made for the non-Lebanese side I find it amazing that Mustaffa has shown the restraint that he has. Reminds me of the many Palestinian friends and students that I taught in Ukraine and Poland. Some of the most generous and wonderful people I’ve ever met.

It really saddens me to see the results of the obvioiusly blind US/Israeli agenda. It is hard to see for many but it is there. Years of bad stewardship.

So in two days that I’m on this blog not even one person commented on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGgwfSitO4E Israel/USA war propoganda…I wonder why…

unternicht, your right

Bloodthirty and racist comments should be ignored since they serve no rational pupose.

You cannot have a rational discussion with a person that is emotionally charged with hate.

Thought I am pro-Israel, I have no hate for the people of Lebanon, nor Hezbollah. I hate they way they are being used by foreign forces.

No matter where you are, (most) people are all the same. They want a home, a family and a job. They don’t want war.

Yup more confirmation that only one sides propaganda is acceptable. You go Hezbollah supporters, show your true colors. Again where are the “innocent” victims if everyone is a hezbollah supporter?

anonymous 2:22

what does 10c mean in Lebanese politics?

In American politics it would mean “no way”. That’s exactly the types
of vague phrases and definitions that our politicians use when they
want to block something. Maybe in Lebanon it means something else?

And, also, you avoided the question.
What is hezzbollah’s publicly stated position about Israel’s
right to exist? If they deny it, then what is Lebanon’s plan
to prevent hezzbollah from acting without state permission?
And, if hezzbollah is allowed to retain their weapons, then
what plans does lebanon have to avoid civil war if the interests
of lebanon conflict with the interests of hezzbollah?

To simply say that they are also lebanese is inadequate. It was
hezzbollah who killed international peacekeepers and opened
the doors to your last civil war. They do not appear to have
changed and are even more heavily armed than before. They are
independant allies with Syria and Syria could profit enourmously
from civil war in Lebanon.

sorry.
the terms need to be clear and concise.
it needs to be meaningful and lasting with clearly defined
actions in case of violation.
We are not going to send hundreds of peackeepers into lebanon
when everything looks exactly the same as last time.
It’s the same people doing the same things and shouting the
same slogans and making the same pleas. You can have your civil
war if you want, but we aren’t going to let you sacrifice
another 300 of our unarmed marines to start the next one.

i listened to u on cnn this morning. 650 died so far but it took 50 to die at once to change ur opinion form against to pro hizbollah. i think ur opinions are based on very very shaky grounds. gotta have principles and stick to them, u, me, and all lebaneses…

Unternicht — are you kidding? The Israelis have also been compared to Nazis on this board. Yes, the Nazis, who deliberately attempted to exterminate all Jewish men, women and children while the Israelis have accidentally bombed a house in Qana in the course of defending themselves from Hezbollah.

I ask the board, seriously, what would you have Israel do to defend itself if “proportion” were a law of war. It isn’t a law in Chechnya, in Syria, in Iran, in Iraq. Must be a special law for Jews.

Don’t say a prisoner exchange or giving up the Chebaa Farms: the UN doesn’t recognize Lebanon’s claim to that land and kidnapping soldiers is an act of war.

I HAVE A QUESTION, HOW COME WE DO NOT SEE ANY VIDEO OR PICTURES OF HEZBOLLAH’S MILITARY EQUIPMENT IN THE RUINS OR RUBBLE AFTER AN ISRAELI ATTACK?

BRENT from USA and not jewish>Mustapha I do hope you read this. I just want to say first off to be fair to Mustapha that in the beginning he did have some remarks that were somewhat critical of Hezbollah,its actions and their impact on Lebanon and the Lebanese,that being said it does seem his position has shifted to being somewhat supportive of Hezbollah which I do not entirely understand because I believe you can be unified and have cohesion as Lebanese without saying you have no choice but to back Hezbollah and join in lockstep with and behind them in the name of unity and all for the sake of unity.All because Hezbollah is Lebanese and fighting Israel.Hezbollah the mighty resistance group,when in this particular situation they instigated the actions that Israel has taken. Mustapha I do appreciate you clarifying some issues.So let me make these points in response.1-Israel did move out of the present borders of Lebanon six yrs ago unilaterrally without Israel becoming any more secure or safe as a result of it that was something that could have been turned into a trust building measure on both sides.Instead in these last six yrs Hezbollah has been occasionally even before this crisis been launching katyusha rockets upon Israel and its civilians,and having rockets aimed upon Israel with that threat constantly hanging over its head which is part of the reason we find ourselves with this conflict so lets just acknowledge that.
2-as you admitted this did begin with Hezbollah and yes to some degree Israel may have reacted with overwhelming force with civilians ending up suffering as a result.However I would also add that on Israel’s part this has never been just about the kidnapping of the two soldiers,but also about the actual incursion itself which resulted in Hezbollah crossing the border illegaly in an unprovoked action this instance, which resulted in the death of eight Israeli soldiers which amounts to an act of war by any standard.Also with this on top of the rockets which had been fired upon mainly Israeli civilians over the last six yrs and those rocket firings hanging over the head of Israel was the straw that broke the camels back.Epecially in light of the conflict that was occurring with Gaza where you also had qassam rockets being fired into Israeli cities so how do you expect them to react if you had been in their shoes. 3-There had been israeli babies snd children as well as other civilians that have been killed and wounded as a direct result of the Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel which mostly impacts the civilians of Israel that is why so many are in shelters as we speak.While those numbers may not compare with the Lebanese each life lost and impacted is as significant as in Lebanon,and if not for those shelters which exist for this very reason the numbers might be as great as in Lebanon.Also this is the very reason you have children writing messages on bombs that will be dropped in Lebanon,because at this moment they are under siege from your territory you expect love and innocence under those conditions how is that shockingly different from a Lebanese shi’ia child or any lebanese child saying they want to destroy Israel and Israelis. 4-We all know that Hezbollah mainly operates from out of civilian areas with no thought of the consequences for those around them ,Dahiyeh is a perfect example.You have the leadersip and fighters operating from out of there or Tyre where even reporters have said they have seen Hezbollah fighters operating out of and launching rockets from mainly civilian areas and in some instances with help from those civilians.That is partly why the death toll is so high.Concerning the UN post it seems as if rockets were being launched from very near that post and even the UN has admitted this from what I understand and is it so hard to comprehend that Hezbollah would resort to these tactics.Hezbollah the great resistance of Lebanon and the arab world.This same group has allied itself with Syria your former oppressors but that seems to be of less consequence because they are Lebanese. Mustapha if you would like here is my e-mail address at txsbrent88@yahoo.com

Since 1948 the Israeli’s have been picked up where the other “ubermen” left off with a capital N…

UN Resolutions pertaining to Israel: 1955-2002 (70)

(UN General Assembly Resolution 181 (1947) approved the creation of Israel, the Jewish State by calling for the partition of the British-ruled palestine. In this resolution itseft, Israel has never accepted the following elements.
1. The creation of a Palestinian State, whose boundaries are specified.
2. The designation of Jerusalem as an International zone.
3. The adoption of a constitution for the Jewish State, of which the State of Israel does not have till today.
4. “No expropriation of land owned by an Arab in a Jewish State should be allowed except for public purposes”.
5. Persons residing in Palestine shall “become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.”
6. Jaffa should be an Arab Enclave in the Jewish State. (More on this…)

1. Resolution 106: “… ‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid”
2. Resolution 111: “…’condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people”
3. Resolution 127: “…’recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem”
4. Resolution 162: “…’urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions”
5. Resolution 171: “…determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria”
6. Resolution 228: “…’censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control”
7. Resolution 237: “…’urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees”
8. Resolution 248: “… ‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan”
9. Resolution 250: “… ‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem”
10. Resolution 251: “… ‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250″
11. Resolution 252: “…’declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital”
12. Resolution 256: “… ‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation”"
13. Resolution 259: “…’deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation”
14. Resolution 262: “…’condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport”
15. Resolution 265: “… ‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan”
16. Resolution 267: “…’censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem”
17. Resolution 270: “…’condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon”
18. Resolution 271: “…’condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem”
19. Resolution 279: “…’demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon”
20. Resolution 280: “….’condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon”
21. Resolution 285: “…’demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon”
22. Resolution 298: “…’deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem”
23. Resolution 313: “…’demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon”
24. Resolution 316: “…’condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon”
25. Resolution 317: “…’deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon”
26. Resolution 332: “…’condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon”
27. Resolution 337: “…’condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty”
28. Resolution 347: “…’condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon”
29. Resolution 425: “…’calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon”
30. Resolution 427: “…’calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
31. Resolution 444: “…’deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces”
32. Resolution 446: “…’determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ’serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
33. Resolution 450: “…’calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon”
34. Resolution 452: “…’calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories”
35. Resolution 465: “…’deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program”
36. Resolution 467: “…’strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon”
37. Resolution 468: “…’calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return”
38. Resolution 469: “…’strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians” 39. Resolution 471: “… ‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
39. Resolution 476: “… ‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’”
40. Resolution 478: “…’censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’”
41. Resolution 484: “…’declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors”
42. Resolution 487: “…’strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility”
43. Resolution 497: “…’decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith”
44. Resolution 498: “…’calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon”
45. Resolution 501: “…’calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops”
46. Resolution 509: “…’demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon”
47. Resolution 515: “…’demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in”
48. Resolution 517: “…’censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon”
49. Resolution 518: “…’demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon”
50. Resolution 520: “…’condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut”
51. Resolution 573: “…’condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
52. Resolution 587: “…’takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw”
53. Resolution 592: “…’strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops” 55. Resolution 605: “…’strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
54. Resolution 607: “…’calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
55. Resolution 608: “…’deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians”
56. Resolution 636: “…’deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
57. Resolution 641: “…’deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
58. Resolution 672: “…’condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
59. Resolution 673: “…’deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
60. Resolution 681: “…’deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
61. Resolution 694: “…’deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
62. Resolution 726: “…’strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
63. Resolution 799: “…’strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
64. Resolution 904: “..Strongly condemns the massacre in Hebron and its aftermath which took the lives of more than 50 Palestinian civilians and injured several hundred others”
65. Resolution1073: “.. Deeply concerned about the tragic events in Jerusalem and the areas of Nablus, Ramallah, Bethlehem and the Gaza Strip, resulting in a high number of deaths and injuries among the Palestinian civilians.
66. Resolution 1322: “..Condemns acts of violence, especially the excessive use of force against Palestinians, resulting in injury and loss of human life”
67. Resolution 1397: “..Demands immediate cessation of all acts of violence, including all acts of terror, provocation, incitement and destruction. “
68. Resolution 1402: “.. calls for the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Palestinian cities, including Ramallah.”
69. Resolution 1403: “..Demands the implementation of its resolution 1402 (2002) without delay .”
70. Resolution 1405: “..Deeply concerned about the dire humanitarian situation of the Palestinian civilian population in the Jenin refugee camp.”

Of course they do this because A book tells them it’s ok. So of course it must be because “my god is better than your god…” A notion of superiority that is BASELESS. Self defense my ass. It’s Israels notion of Manifest Destiny or more accurately put, Liebensraum for GrossenIsrael… I don’t use these terms lightly. Maybe we need to Invade Mexico again as all the illegals, drugs, cross border gunfire with mafiosi… Totally disproportionate response. Maybe I should occupy my neighbors house, beat his wife and kids in the name of self defence. Beating the paranoia drum of WWII and the natural consequeses of being a bad neighbor since 1948 have made this situation what it is. Get a grip.

If Israels hands were truly clean then I might be able to believe the pathetic self defence argument but its hands are stained in blood that they have continued to soak and shower themselves in the name of a fictional character. More aptly put by Voltaire, “those who can make you believe absurdities can get you to commit atrocities.”

War is shitty and so is the everpresent revisiting of “might makes right.” Israelis were astute learners from their Nazi captors in every way other than the death camps. Thats the only thing that these clowns haven’t done en-masse thus far although some higher ups in the IDF have been quoted stating as such. From the looks of the spinning media and the likes of your ilk it looks like the 70 resolutions will be convieniently forgotten in the interests of a new adventure for the Middle Eastern Division of Bush Inc.

Long live Dr. Seuss and Mr. Rogers…

Somehow I think a lot of this from the IDF side has been accidently on purpose… Not a Hizbullah supporter but everything we’re seeing is the result of verrrrrrrry bad US,NATO,Israeli foreign policy…

ALL sides need to be reigned in

Every people deserve a homeland

Every people deserve a safe, content existance free from worry about their neighbor acting like a fool…

expliquez moi,
comment est-ce possible que le concept de “communauté internationale” s’accorde en quelques minutes pour écrire une résolution d’ultimatum sur l’Iran et tergiverse depuis 20 jours les plus longs, cruels et les plus honteux, à dire : “nous condamnons tous, à l’exception des dirigeants US et UK qui trouvent ça formidablement nécessaire, l’offensive barbare d’israel contre le liban et la palestine et nous demandons un cessez le feu immédiat”
le silence complice

je propose une adhésion massive au hezbollah, dans chacun des pays où nous nous trouvons, pour bien montrer aux israéliens, qu’à présent, ils ont répandu la résistance, et qu’ils ne parviendront jamais à abattre tous les peuples ahuris et révoltés de leurs crimes

Anonymous 3:25 PM. Be careful here, be very careful. We are all caught up in the emotion of war, but please try to think more clearly. Us Lebanese still despise Hizbullah, they just happen to be the lesser of the two evils right now as bombs crush our innocent. Just wait till these SOB’s Hizbullah Gorilla’s begin to invade East Beirut and the North, you won’t be saying you back Hizbullah. Believe me, us REAL Lebanese are caught in the middle. I back Lebanon and only Lebanon.

Hizbullah is the natural consequense of years of bad management/foreign policy… what did you expect? It has been seen time and time again. Either Israel starts abiding by the moral law of God/Allah/Man… and yes they will have to do it first or this crap will continue forever! Don’t tell me about what Israel has done…pull out of gaza when in reality they turned it into a Palestinan “warsaw” ghetto… Something real please so the rest of the world can stop worrying about the mess that you keep creating in the Middle East.

Israel makes a lot about it’s democratic credentials in the region and (I think) rightly so.

As a result, the argument of “Hezbollah wanted to kill civillians just as much, they just can’t shoot straight” isn’t valid.

The moral standards between a democratic state and a group that you claim to be a terrorist group can’t be the same, a democratic country has an obligation to follow certain norms while at the same time protecting it’s citizens.

Some of the comments here supporting what the IDF has done are one-sided in the extreme. Call yourself friends of Israel? Then tell me how what’s been going on over the past few weeks has benefitted Israel in any shape or form.

The score sheet as I see it is as follows: Hundreds of civillians dead, anger in the Arab world against the West, a weakening of Governments like Egypt and Jordan that do want a peaceful and stable Middle East, and a strengthening of the rejectionist camp that really does want to push Israel into the sea. At this very moment I’m seeing TV pictures of the Iranian foreign minister in Beirut, a sight you wouldn’t have seen two weeks ago.

Meanwhile, Hezbollah is still able to lob rockets into Israel and the two soldiers are still being held hostage. Mission accomplished? Yeah, in as much as it was when W stood up on that aircraft carrier in his jump suit in May 2003 and talked about Iraq.

How different it would have been had the Israelis after a week, called a week long, unilateral cease fire. A lot of Lebanese opinion was still anti Hezbollah and internal political dynamics would have been given a chance to take their course. The Israelis would have shown they meant business and their action would have been interpreted as coming from a position of strength. Instead, anything they do now is positioned as coming from a position of weakness.

Bravo, yes Israel really has made both its citizens safer and bought stability both to Lebanon and wider Middle East!

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/who-is-this-man.html

Anyone who is interested in offering input on a rational, sustainable ceasefire proposal, please come to my blog - the more Lebanese input the better.

I am an American born and raised. I have many friends from all over the world that have expressed to me their feelings about the united States and I have listened and cared for what they have told me.

Now I see Israel and what they are doing in the Middle east and I am ashamed of my countries support for this.
All of you that would like to throw all Americans into the same ideology as our president are very misinformed. You should know that there is a growing sense of mistrust for the way our present president has handled middle east issues.
I feel the people of the US identify with the people of the middle east and that we are sick of what has been going on. Our Election is coming and we need to make some changes. Support our need for change .

uberuntermenschen,

you name UN resolutions from 1955… forget that 7 countries attacked Israel in 48, only 1 day after their creation? That might have something to do with their response in the coming years - I’d call it survival in the face of a region that openly wants to kill them all.

After awhile people are supposed to learn from their mistakes. Israel seems to be at the bottom of the curve, as is Hizbullah, Hamas… But then what do you do when nobody listens or abides by what they state. You get extremism and whackjobs and the cycle continues…

The only way for Muslims to win the peace is for Muslims to thoroughly embrace peace. You complain about a few hundred civilians losing their lives in a Lebanon which is supporting an illegal, rocket-armed militia. Yet the Muslim world has done nothing to stop the Muslim-on-Muslim genocide in Darfur. So you care about your fellow-religionists when a few hundred are killing in a war which Hizbollah decided to start with Israel, but not so much when your fellow-religionists kill something close to a million other fellow-religionists - because of what? Because those being killed in Darfur are mostly darker-skinned than those doing the killing?

If you would embrace peace fully, using the tactics of Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr., Israel would be forced by its Western allies to also become peaceful, and both Lebanon and Palestine would get billions of dollars in aid to build their economies. Instead you embrace war against Israel, failing to realize that your real enemies are precisely those among you who call for war. If you take care of those enemies, the whole rest of the world will become your friends. If you won’t do that, sadly, whatever momentary blip of public opinion support you might gain, the blood of your children will truly, in the eyes of God, be on your own hands.

SHIN BET VETOED SECRET ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN PEACE AGREEMENT

Israeli and Palestinian Sources Concur: Israel Made War Inevitable

The Omega Institute (OI), which works closely with the Institute for Policy Research for Development (IPRD), has learned from Israeli and Palestinian sources that just prior to the current crisis, senior Hamas leaders were in active dialogue with Israeli religious leaders in a round of bilateral peace negotiations. Israeli negotiators included Rabbi Menachem Froman, former deputy leader and co-founder of the Israeli Settler movement Gush Khatif; Rabbi David Bigman, head of the liberal religious Kibbutz movement Yeshiva at Ma’ale Gilboa; and Yitzhak Frankenthal, founder of the Arik Institute. Ongoing negotiations had resulted in a breakthrough peace “understanding”, which was to be announced at a press conference in Jerusalem to mark the launching of an extraordinary peace initiative. Israeli Prime Minister Olmert had been briefed extensively about the initiative by Frankenthal. Also due to attend the conference were Khaled Abu Arafa, the Palestinian Cabinet Minister for Jerusalem, Sheikh Muhamed Abu Tir, senior Hamas Member of the Palestinian Parliament, and other senior Palestinian delegates.

The meeting was to announce a joint Israeli-Palestinian call for the release of Corporal Gilad Shalit who had been abducted by Hamas in Gaza, along with proposals for the beginning of the release of all Palestinian prisoners. These measures were to precipitate unprecedented new peace negotiations on a framework peace agreement, drawn on the 1967 borders. The presence of Palestinian Cabinet Officers and senior Israeli religious leaders in contact with the Prime Minster was to underline the seriousness of this peace proposal on both sides.

Just hours before the meeting was due to start, the Israeli Shin Bet internal Security Service arrested Abu Tir and Abu Arafa and warned them not to attend the meeting, under threats of detention. The meeting, which offered a major opportunity to obtain Shalit’s release and launch a new framework for peace, was thrown into disarray. The next day, the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) invaded Gaza, and the day after both Abu Tir and Abu Arafa were abducted by Israeli forces, along with a third of the Palestinian Cabinet, provoking a predictable escalation of violence.

Israel simultaneously began conducting covert incursions on to Lebanese territory, provoking Hizbollah’s capture of two IDF soldiers. Credible sources confirm that the soldiers were not abducted on Israeli territory, but inside Lebanon. Like the scuppered peace negotiations, Western officials have ignored this, and misinformed the media. However, some reports corroborate the sources. Israeli officials, for instance, informed Forbes (12.7.06) that “Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel.”

“The revelations show that Palestinian and Lebanese actors were not principally responsible for the escalation of the current conflict”, said OI Director Graham Ennis. “Contrary to the misinformation disseminated by the Whitehouse and Whitehall, Israel vetoed unprecedented peace proposals that would have initiated a promising new framework for serious negotiations, and went on to provoke Palestinian and Lebanese groups into retaliations, that now threaten to escalate into a dangerous regional conflict.”

For more information please email info@globalresearch.org

Anonymous Asked :

“First question, Egypt and Jordon doesn’t have your problem now do they? Why is that?”

Their Usraeli controled puppets bend over forward and backward for the terrorist state of Isreal . Was that simple enough for you to understand ?!Or your Superiority complex has blinded you to the facts ?!!

To wytcld :

Very good typical Zionist attempt on your part to try to divert the attention to other issues such as Suddan .

First , who are you to dictate to people what issues should people care about and what iussue they should support or oppose ?! Secondly this tactic of Zionist to say look at Sudan , look at patagonia , look at what the Martians are doing , why dont you look elsewhere while we are continuting with our crimes , has been tried before .It is not cutting it anymore . Thirdly Sudan is a Civil war . Sudanses didn’t drag themselves “willingly” from the safety of Russia , Ukrain and US to go across the world to teh stolen land and claim that they are only themselves !!

If the Lebanese really want this to stop, why don’t they release the 2 Israeli captives and agree to stop shooting rockets into Israel?

I am confident that if they agreed to do this then Israel would be willing to stop the attacks. World opinion would be strongly for it.

What’s keeping Lebanon from doing this?

My guess is that Hezbollah would see this as a defeat and their pride will not permit it. They would rather see Lebanon desolate and many more children dead than admit that what their kidnapping was wrong.

Hezbollah is responsible for the continued deaths of innocents, not Israel. Hezbollah started this, and Hezbollah, by not agreeing to release the captives and stop the rockets, is making it last longer.

Their Usraeli controled puppets bend over forward and backward for the terrorist state of Isreal

The weather’s been a bit hot recently. Do you think the Zionists and their global warming conspiracy had anything to do with it?

Here is another tough question for you Mustapha.

Which is the lesser of two evils; the intentional killing of civilians, or actually killing of civilians?

My response to this depends on the length overwhich each group exists. You see, the intention to kill civilians is much more morally reprehensible over the long term, but actually killing civilians over the short term.

Evolution:

You wrote:

“Maybe I’m just an ignorant foreigner… but… do you really believe that the people in Israel - or even the government - wants to terrorize the Lebanese people into submission? This seems a ridiculous statement to me,”

What do you make of the threat to “turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years.” from Israel’s chief of staff (in his own words)?

What don’t you explain to us what he meant by that?

It is not the first time Israel engaged in collective punishment, it is common practice. It’s the only way you fight civilians that you want to subject.

yes Mojan, you see puppets in other nations that doesn’t have Israel destroying it, and I see Lebanon getting jerked around by the chain around its neck, with a whole lot of death and rebuilding to do. These are the facts, I’m not superior, it makes no difference to me, I’m nowhere near this god forsaken sandbox called the middle east. But I don’t have my emotions wrapped up in it. As Moron99 as been saying for a couple of days now, think with your head and feel with your heart, and I’ll add when you think with your heart you are to easily munipulated.

Hi Mustapha,
I just wanted to congrajulate you on a great interview you did on CNN. I was very proud! ;)
Congrats on the engagment too. I hope all your family and loved ones are safe and sound and that all is well in Lebanon. God bless Lebanon, I hope this insanity will be over soon.
Also, this is a great post which I believe reflects mainstream Lebanese thinking. I encourage all soreigners, particularly Israelis, but Americans also, to read it.
Salam,
Maya

I am sympathetic towards Lebanon and I think Israel is behaving in a crude, careless and self-defeating manner. I also think the Lebanese are in cleft stick–they are powerless to control Hezbollah even if they wanted to.

But, look.

Jordan and Egypt decided they wanted peace with Israel. They negotiated peace with mutual recognition. They make damned sure nobody attacks Israel from across their borders. If someone did, they would certainly take action to stop it and to punish the perpetrators.

Syria doesn’t want peace with Israel. But they understand that if someone attacks Israel or Israeli-held territory from their territory, Israel will attack. So they make damned sure nobody does.

These three governments control their territory. And Israel doesn’t attack them. Does it?

The Palestinian Authority and the Lebanese Government do NOT control their territory. Perhaps they can’t. But they surely can’t expect that Israel won’t respond if they do, can they?

When they Japanese attacked us fifty odd years ago, we attacked them. And when the Germans declared war–without any kind of hostilities at all–we attacked them as well.

And our attacks were not geared toward some kind of tit-for-tat. Our idea was to crush the attackers so utterly that they would never again even DREAM of attacking us.

We made harsh war on Japan and Germany. We bombed their cities and occupied their countries. And we bombed cities of occupied peoples: Rotterdam in Holland and Manila in the Phillipines were filled with innocent civilians, many thousands of whom perished.

We won. No one complained that our actions weren’t “fair.” The liberated didn’t complain that their cities were bombed and their citizens killed. Nobody spoke of “massacre.” They said, “Thanks!”

We became best pals with the occupied nations and the occupiers. And we still have close, friendly relations today.

I’m not sure why the Israelis should be faulted for the idea of making things so that neither Hezbollah nor anyone else can ever think of attacking them again from Lebanese territory. If I were an Israeli, I would want to be far more careful with Lebanese lives that my country had been. But if I were a Lebanese, I wouldn’t act as if my country had no responsibility to control its territory or that it is a vicious surprise that if someone attacks a neighbor from my territory, the neighbor responds with armed force: “Oh, you cannot or will not control those attacking us from your territory. Guess we’ll have to do your job for you then.”

If I were Lebanese, I would be concentrating on the idea that one day, my country will HAVE to take the responsibility of taking care of its own territory and figuring out how that can be done. I understand the feeling of despair and the fear that it will result in unwinnable civil war.

But Lebanon is simply going to have to find a way of doing it. Or else, its going to have to be occupied and controlled by those who can, perhaps becoming part of Syria as it was for so very long.

Or else, it’s going to have to put up with attacks from its neighbors when its territory is used as bases for attack.

This is from an American blogger, which I thought would interest Mustapha:
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With respect to Qana what I would like to say is that the attack on Qana was motivated by revenge. After the IDF was rebuffed by Hezbollah guerillas at Bint Jubail last week (very brave when dropping bombs from the comodity of the F-16 but not so brave when fighting on the ground), Olmert and his cast of blundering military advisors decided to “exact their pound of flesh” by recreating the massacre they staged 10 years ago at the same location. Just like today, the attack was purposely directed at people who sought refuge at a “clearly marked” United Nations shelter. In the April 18, 1996 attack 106 Lebanese civilians were killed. As Global Reaserch.ca reports, “The July 2006 attack on the Qana UN shelter replicates with meticulous accuracy the April 1996 IAF operation, entitled ‘The Grapes of Wrath’”.

In the wake of the massacre, Condoleezza Rice has been told by Lebanon’s Prime Minister Fouad Siniora that she should cancel her trip to Beirut. The State Dept is “spinning” Rice’s humiliation as simply “postponing” her trip, but its obvious to those who have followed recent developments, that Rice has been slapped in the face and that America’s threadbare diplomatic strategy is in now in a state of complete collapse.

We are now, perhaps, just one crisis away from the whole, rickety scaffolding of American imperialism crashing to the ground in a heap. Imagine if riots were to spontaneously break out in Riyadh or Cairo tomorrow? The puppet regimes in the Gulf States would fall like dominos leaving the American oil giants with the dismal prospect of buying their oil on the open market rather than extracting it at gunpoint.

The massacre at Qana is sure to increase Hezbollah’s popularity and strengthen Arab solidarity. Even before the incident Hezbollah enjoyed 87% approval rating from the Lebanese public. Now, those figures can be expected to skyrocket.

“Q: Lebanese believe that the Jews want to control the world and the media.”
The past 20 days have unfortunately shown the whole world that what Lebanese believe is not that important.
On the other hand, Zionists, and not the Jews, surely do not aim to control the world, but definitely want to control what remains of Palestine and hopefully some other parts of the region.
As for the media, Zionists DO control all of it.
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696&q=Peace+propaganda+%26+the+promised+lands
Enjoy …

evolution wrote:
I agree, Israel was created where Palestine (whether ruled by another foreign power at the time or not) used to be. This is not fair, and I can’t begin to understand how I would feel if foreign interests took my country from me.

Now, let’s think. Maybe, you would feel HATRED? Maybe, you would want to get your land back and not have to live in a refugee camp with an average per capita income of $2, while you see the usurpers of your land enjoying a lifestyle comparable to the wealthiest industrialized countries, thanks to $Billions pumped into its economy from private and public U.S. sources.
When you are subject to having your property destroyed without appeal and being forbidden to rebuild.
Can evolution really maintain an attitude of surprise and shock that:
“Israel now finds itself surrounded by hatred, living in a world where many countries and powers have stated openly that they want them dead.”

This whole thing makes me so sad. I am less sad about the present than the future. If these comments and commentors are truly reflective of Lebanon, and Lebanon is the most cultured and cosmopolitan of Arab states …. then there is little hope. I don’t think people here understand why it is bad for a cleric to have an army. I don’t think enough of them understand the connection between clerics with armies, intellectual stagnation, and poverty. I don’t think enough of the posters understand why one nation can not have more than one army and hope to be economically competitive. And the hatred. I don’t think enough of these people understand why hatred destroys democracy - even if the thing you hate is on another planet. It makes me so sad. If these comments truly reflect a large portion of Lebanon, then Lebanon isn’t yet ready for democracy. I am sad for many reasons but none hurts so much as the loss of hope. If these comments are a true reflection of Lebanon then my hope for prosperity has been downgraded to a hope for an intellectual awakening.

cease-fire my ass! israel not only violated their own ceasation of fire but they killed a LEBANESE soldier, injuring several others!
now the syrians are on stand-by. these people(israeli/us officials) really have their head up their ass!

the people of this earth should be protesting at every oppertunity before this war machine escalates into a world war…i can’t believe the arrogance of our ELECTED officials!
they keep drawing a line in the sand, next thing you know they’ll be drawing lines outside of tehran. dangerous business!

The head butting example is not really valid. For the Italians didn’t cross over to the other side, kill some of the players and kidnap 2 of them.

Hebollah crossed into sovereign Israel - killed soldiers and kidnapped two. What should the response be? Hey you give us back our soldiers please, in the spirit of sportsmanship?

A head butt on the field of play, and dead and kidnapped soldiers on the world stage. a big difference.

and remeber 1559 where the world stage told Hezbollah to get off the field in the first place.

play ball… http://www.what-a-world.com

Mustapha,
Israel is not to be blamed as it is an Evil government as well as the USA. These most dirty zionist governments do not know anything about human rights. I blame the united nations and all countries who are supposed to look after our human rights. Our people are dying while USA weapon facturies are making profits on murders of innocent people. I have faith in god. Israel and the USA will be broken forever. Our heros, the hizbollah will win, against all odds. Inshas-allah! be safe! from someone who cares…

Kazem my hero
PEACE To Lebanon

May Israel be defeated forever…Peace will rise in Lebanon again…it will be so beautiful, so united, against the bad intentions and stupid comments on this page (You know who you are!!!). To all the people with stupid comments supporting murders of innocent kids….you may want to consider a professional help!!!!

The reason the Israelis defend themselves so agressively is because 6 million Jews were systematically murdered during WWII.

I look at the pictures of the recent civilian corpses from Lebanon and think, “What a waste!” The possiblities for peace and happiness are so endless it makes a person wonder why organized violence persists.

However, comparing the Israelis with the terrorists who attacked them is not correct, because the Israelis desire peace, and Hezbollah would be irrelevant with a lasting peace.

The Hezbollah are much like the Nazis, they wish to kill Jews for ideological (and religious) reasons. It is the duty of moral people to fight such people, with better ideas preferably, and with weapons when necessary.

Mustapha,

Do realy believe what you wrote in your post?

If I were an FBI profiler, I’d have to say that you are HIZ.

You should change this Blog name to BEIRUT DAWN. Ihope you don’t get hurt in all this as I think you have great potential.

Remember Spring brings new life.

MIKE

I find this whole conversation amazing.

Hezbollah is getting their collective asses kicked (militarily), and the Israeli aren’t even trying hard.  (And they do need to either try harder or just give it up, primarily on political, rather than military, grounds  This is the same damn mistake our fearless leaders made trying to do Iraq on the cheap–if ya ain’t ready to fight to win then don’t fight.)

And yet Hezbollah is declaring victory while the ass kicking yet continues

Here’s a scenario for ya’ll to consider…

             ”I shot an arrow into the air,
              It fell to earth, I knew not where;
***
             ”I breathed a song into the air,
              It fell to earth, I knew not where;”
              ”The Arrow and the Song” Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Hezbollah keeps a few rag-tags out in the boonies shooting fireworks into Israel.
They claim this is a great victory.
Iran then comes in and pays good oil money for the rebuilding of all the stuff that Hezbollah was entirely unable to protect.
Hezbollah is seen by the Lebanese as a great and beneficious power, capable of standing up to Israel and still providing for its people.  (Never mind they’re getting the goodies only because they’re currently shilling for the mad mullahs of Iran.  You thought Syrian domination was bad?  Wait ‘til the Ayatollahs get ya, or dump ya and Hezbollah starts looking ’round for where the money comes from now.)

And meantime, the Lebanese, Shia mothers who lost sons teach their second sons that Hezbollah is indeed the “Party of God”, can stand up to the evil Jews and then rebuild the nation.

Mustapha, if Hezbollah “wins” this one, you be in deep shit.
You be at least as deep in shit as the Israeli, probably a lot deeper.

Hi all,

We all know why Arabs are mad… b/c Israil got their homeland with the help of OTHER countries in 1948.

All I want to know how does Israil justify itself to be there???

I mean if it is the story that they were there X many years ago, then everybody should go to their homeland, like all the US citizens should leave the whole country and go to Europe and let the american indians have the whole country. (That doesn’t make sense at all, so I am trying to find a reason for Isreal)

I am really just asking, what does Israil’s belief or legitimate reason to be in that land. Maybe I am ignorent that I don’t know the story so please enlighten me.

just a reminder … the real intent of Israel is to cripple hezzbollah so that the other 89% of Lebanon can freely choose what to do with them.

to lee

Lee you foolishly do not address the facts that we have which are that hundres of innocent lebanese civilians are dying I know as an american, you are desensitized to death because you see it on TV and in your games and in movies.

People are dying while you are spweing this nonsense. Get some information or education about the arab world and arab history and culture and then please come back and start talking this same bullshit.

Also, I am american as well

I CAN NOT BELIEVE HOW PATHETIC MOST OF YOU SOUND. I AM BUSH HATING LIBERAL BUT DONT YOU SEE WHAT HEZBOLAH AND HAMAS AND ALQUEDA ARE DOING. IF AMERICA WAS IN PLACE OF ISRAEL IT WOULD DO THE SAME THING. THE JEWS JUST WANT SOME FREAKING PEACE AND THEY WOULD LEAVE EVERYONE ALONE IF THE DAMN ARABS LEFT THEM ALONE. STOP BEING SOOOOO FUUUUUCKING IGNORANT AND THINK THAT CAUSE BUSH IS BAD THAT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAPPENS IN THE WORLD IS BAD….. ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND IT SELF IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THAT THEN UR ARE DUMB, PLAIN AND SIMPLE DUMB…. IM SHOCKED THAT YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT…. STOP REACTING TO THE OBVIOUSLY TRAGIC EVENTS WHERE INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED AND LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE…. WOW, IM SO PISSED AT THE PEOPLE IN MY OWN PARTY

Its amazing that people cant see the difference between peace-oriented nation-states and hezbollah and support these terrorist groups. Just wait and see when they are done with Israel and will turn to “Islamatizing” the west. Just wait and see!!!! I can wait to see this cause then you will on your knees begging for forgiveness…
Thank you
A Progressive American!!!! Go Israel!

  
“Also, I am american as well.”

That would help explain your idiocy there; amazing how many well intentioned idiots we got runnin’ ‘round.

Just for the record.  I don’t have cable TV, ain’t that interested in TV to watch it much but do watch the news, but our news is “sanitized” for violence, compared to what’s shown over the air in Lebanon. Don’t own a video game; never was interested; took the ones that came on the computer out because I never used them, and I can’t remember the last time I actually went to a movie–been years though.

So, in simple American English…

Screw you; get outta my face; you’re an idiot and I got further time for ya.

Your answer cause me to question whether Hizballah is to blame for this mess, the Lebanese government, or the Lebanese people. Here is why:

Israel has never tried any long-term trust building measures, (like for instance the unilateral hand of peace India handed Pakistan a few years ago.)

This isn’t a really an answer to the question, but…Israel did unilaterally pull out of southern Lebanon letting Hizballah (which –once again– had caused that occupation in the first place by repeated mortar attacks) take control of the region and declare the pull-out a “victory for Hizballah”. Israel also pulled out of Gaza unilaterally (that worked out great didn’t it?). It pulled out of the Sinai. It has been peaceful with neighbors (such as Jordan and Egypt) that have been willing to have peace. Pulling out of Gaza and S. Lebanon didn’t work out so well, did it?

“[Irael's reaction]is simply outrageous…just waiting for an excuse

umm…yeah. Because Hizballah has not stopped mortaring Israel from S. Lebanon since it pulled out of there. Even though UN “peacekeeping force” (occupiers) was supposed to prevent it. If Israel’s reaction was “outrageous” this time, what can be said of the Lebanese government’s pathetic reaction to aggression from within it’s borders?

the 10% who believe this and swear by Aljazeera are not a threat. Unless your actions make their believes more mainstream.

As you say, “People look at results”. Was Hizballah on the verge of being disarmed or discredited in Lebanon? Was it about to stop bombing Israel? Was the Lebanese government on the verge of cracking down on this foreign (Syria & Iran) parasite within its’ body?

No? Well, why should the Israelis care a whit what the Lebanese people think of them?

As Little Bill Daggett said to English Bob: “I suppose you know if I ever see you again I’m just going to start shooting and figure it was self-defense.”

  
typo:  meant no further time…

I just heard a bit of info that Iran had their proxy Hiz start this war just to test the West’s resolve. Hiz is just a pawn in the Nuke negotiation game.

Mullas are worried. They thought Israel and the US would have sought pease by now.

This is about the nuke negotiations. Lets just say Iran put their toe in the water to see if the temp was okay for a swim. Waters to cold and they are happy the did not jump in.

I feel bad for simple folks like Mustapha who allow them selfs to think as directed.

@lee-usa..
you know i really don’t understand your bullshit! seems that your really misguided. that cowboy stance you got has no place in serious dialogue. i have friends and family in iraq, fighting for what? so YOU can get a gallon of gas for 20 cents cheaper? have you ever spoken to a veteran of war, prabably not. war is HELL! you make it sound like it is as easy as pushing chess pieces around aboard. what gives you the right to be so crass about the dignity of human life, because your an american? rediciculous!there are immigrants of ALL cultures that would give their life to defend america because they realize what is at stake. you on the other hand believe it is your right to wage war on a people because of their ideology.

so you know what … if you don’t believe in a peaceful solution why even bother to grace us with your blissful liturgy!!!

You won’t even meet with our Secretary of State?

Yet you want us to solve your Israel problem for you? Which is really your rejectionist guerilla army state within a state waging war from within your borders?

Tough sh*t. Get lost. Suffer. That’s the international system and it’s your responsibilty. Yes I know that’s not what the very numerous and very weak Muslim nations think and the Euros are nervous and hate Bush and most of the rest like to see the superpower having trouble.

Yet who do you think is going to stand up and help you, really? No one. Well you can make limited diplomatic gains like Sheba Farms. But if you don’t want to co-operate on disarming Hezbollah this will all happen again. And we’ll be real thin and real conditional about rebuilding aid for you. Actually I don’t see why you deserve anything but save a life humanitarian assistance. You don’t “deserve” that either, but the West, in sharp contrast to Moslem countries who only help their fellow confessionals, sometimes, gives that where it can to people however remote in culture and ethnicity, when in extreme distress.

Tired of you.

Who am I? Non Jewish not pro Zionist secular American who is a graduate of one of our top five colleges and top 5 law schools. (Actually higher than that but I’m being general.)

problem was solved the US just vetoed. every other country was in favor of a cease fire but not bush ! don’t kid yourself YOUR government is the one who thought it would be wise to wage this one!

ISRAEL HAS NEVER TRIED ANY LONG-TERM TRUST BUILDING MEASURES, (LIKE FOR INSTANCE THE UNILATERAL HAND OF PEACE INDIA HANDED PAKISTAN A FEW YEARS AGO.) IT ALWAYS GAVE US REASONS TO BE SKEPTICAL OF ITS
Imagine if Pakistan would deny India’s right to exist would it be any hand of peace then from India? you are denying to your neighbor right to exist and you blaming he neighbor for being what ? chest-thumping power-mongering neighbor.? What right to exist Israeli is denying? How many time Arabs attempted aggression against Israel? You cannot ignore ALL facts
IRA?
1. I.R.A. never denied right of England to exist, Hezbollah does deny right of Israel to exist.
2. Ireland never militarily attacked England, Arab countries did attack Israel militarily days after Israel was created by UN and numerous times after that
3. Ireland never was used a launch pad for rocket strikes on England. Lebanon, in contrast, is permanently used as a territory for launching rockets on Israeli territory, it was a reason for first occupation. This is the reason for this current war. They launched rockets the very same morning that they kidnapped the soldiers.
4. Irish never declared their goal extermination of Englishmen as a nation or race, Hezbollah does not even go after Israel as a state. It is after Jews themselves, as they declared many times.
5. Ira is a separatist movement and their goal would be achieved with fulfillment of their separatist program. Hezbollah continues attacking Israel even after Israel withdrew from Lebanon six years ago.
6. I.R.A. never denied right of England to exist, Hezbollah does deny right of Israel to exist.
7. Ireland never militarily attacked England, Arab countries did attack Israel militarily days after Israel was created by UN and numerous times after that
8. Ireland never was used a launch pad for rocket strikes on England. Lebanon, in contrast, is permanently used as a territory for launching rockets on Israeli territory, it was a reason for first occupation. This is the reason for this current war. They launched rockets the very same morning that they kidnapped the soldiers.
9. Irish never declared their goal extermination of Englishmen as a nation or race, Hezbollah does not even go after Israel as a state. It is after Jews themselves, as they declared many times.
10. Ira is a separatist movement and their goal would be achieved with fulfillment of their separatist program. Hezbollah continues attacking Israel even after Israel withdrew from Lebanon six years ago.
So I think that any comparison with IRA is disingenuous.
NFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR INNOCENT CHILDREN WERE JUST WAITING FOR AN EXCUSE, LIKE THE KIDNAPPING OF TWO SOLDIERS.
It is not only solders it is
1. rockets firing for Lebanon in the same day as solders were kidnapped and if Israeli kids are not dying is only because they prepared better they built shelters knowing how peaceful their neighbors. You guys launched THOUSANDS of rockets on Israel and if you missed it is not because you are peaceful you were DELIBERATELY targeting Israeli kids you just missed. So why Israel have to wait until you learn how to fire rockets more precisely ?
2. your government who even today claiming Sheba farms and shamir cuntar free. Do not you think that your civilians are dying because this attempts to extort something form Israel even now?
3. Israel owe nothing to Lebanon this fact certified by UN your country attempted an aggression and paying horrible price for that. Proven that Lebanese government knew about HEZ planning to attack Israel and did nothing
Josef Farah formulated the essence of the conflict like this:
“The conflict between Islamic radicals and Jews in the Middle East is really very simple. The Islamic radicals want all the Jews dead. The Jews, meanwhile, want to live.”
Prove him wrong

Sorry the part of my posting got double when I was posting above , sorry for the mess :technical mistake

  
“have you ever spoken to a veteran of war, prabably not.”

Guess again.

“ you on the other hand believe it is your right to wage war on a people because of their ideology.”

I believe no such thing and said (wrote) no such thing either.
You are, therefore, revealed as a liar.  You have revealed yourself. Not even my doing.
And so, you a poor liar to make it even worse. If you’re gonna make shit up, you should try to get better at it.

Why doesn’t Hezbollah move out of civillian dwellings? That is the the thing that gets me. How can they point the finger at Israel, when they are using innocent human beings as shields.

I believe both sides are out of line. I’d like to see the Middle East harmonious and joyful. It’s really up to you guys. Not the US or the UN, but your own leaders must solve this problem.

so you think hezballah is gettin’ their ass kicked? how do YOU know! so if you wanna talk about lies…

and by the way, my guess, you are or were in the military and think you can criticise the ‘rag-tags’! underestimating your apponent is a lethal mistake!

would you rather that they hang a bulls-eye around their neck and stand in the street? and if you could refer me to any pictures of dead hiz fighters that would be great. so far ALL if seen is civilians!

Since Mustapha and dietmar seem confused about who Lebanon’s real enemy is, I offer this story from The Guardian quoting a Hizballah goon:

“The real battle is after the end of this war. We will have to settle score with the Lebanese politicians. We also have the best security and intelligence apparatus in this country, and we can reach any of those people who are speaking against us now. Let’s finish with the Israelis and then we will settle scores later.”

Mustapha, you had best hope that Israel succeeds in this war.

  
“so you think hezballah is gettin’ their ass kicked? how do YOU know!”

“(Militarily)“. You decided to drop that part. I do not think this was accidental.
You do not engage in honest discussion, or so I am now come to believe.

You do not engage my points made.

I’m not willing to engage in your dishonest discussions.

You are, therefore, dismissed.
Go bother somebody else; find one who’s interested in your games.

It ain’t me.

hey cmarii, thanks for the enlightenment, really was a good article.

i just want to add though in the states something very familiar is going on. recruiters are in ALL the high schools recruiting 14-17 yr old kids for the ADVENTURE of a life time. they are now even on my space to indoctinate them.
in the end that is what we see more times than not, pictures of 18, 19 20 yr old kids dying for someones cause.

just an added note, i don’t sit around praising the vitues of hezballah, i sit and bitch about the injustices that befall the innocent lives lost to the abhorant aggression of war!

Then your banging your head against the wall, dietmar. Nobody wants war except those that feel it will get them to heaven faster.

“Nobody wants war except those that feel it will get them to heaven faster.”

Well, we do have a certain percentage of “chicken hawks” and old Cold Warriors and some folks still trying to win the Vietnam War, who are apparently really into the the notion of more war.  I suspect most of them are also NASCAR fans, but that’s just a suspicion, and they likely don’t make up a large percentage of NASCAR fans, but, I bet they’re fans.   

Just a little reminder to all of a message of love from Lebanon way back at Hariri’s funeral (It seems kind of funny, when the Syrians did him in and Nasrallah kept his eyes closed):

Oh do check out other blogs like Craiglist. This one is from a muslim who doesn’t like the dynamics generally and thoughtfully provided a translation of what the crowd was saying:

“Blind Hatred

My very dear friends
When the CNN was presenting part of the funeral of AlHariri today( the ex. PM of Lebanon) the Muslim crowed was shouting the following in Arabic:
“Khybar….Khybar….Ya Yahood……Ghish Mohammed Sawf Yaood”……..
this is a threat to Jews which means:
“Remember Khebar (When Mohamed killed all Jewish men, raped their women and enslaved all their kids)…O’Jews….The army of Mohammed are coming back to annihilate you”
This can simply tell us that the real borders that are needed are Ideological Islamic Borders to stop this disgusting blind hatred to the Jews………..Imagine it……an Islamist group most likely supported by Syria announced its responsibility for killing Alhariri….Yet….Arabs want to revenge from the
Jews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Together For Peace “

This all seems to imply that the intention is there but that the means on the scale desired are not.

I would love to hear from anyone who wishes to dispute the accuracy of this blogger.

ironic accounting.

when zionist cowards justify the extermination of hundreds of innocent civilians in response to militants who originally and exclusively confined their attack to an israeli military patrol, such cowards spit on their shoah; regurgitating the same bile nazis used to justify jewish extermination, i.e., “self-defense.”

when zionist cowards extend such bile to terrorize sovereign states & their populations, they are no less than genocidal terrorists; destroying any non-jewish state within reach to preserve their race-based racist jewish state, again, in emulation of nazi precursors who “decisively acted” to preserve their race-based racist aryan state.

basic accounting.

israel has nukes. nukes give israel the impunity & immunity to impose its genocidal will.

iran needs nukes. syria needs nukes. jordan needs nukes. egypt needs nukes. pakistan has nukes — do they have enough to share? can iran accelerate nuke development in time to protect other muslim states from zionist “self-defense?”

because, evidence north korea, the more nukes the better. because, imitating zionist “logic,” there is no such thing as insane or “disproportionate” response to threats real, imagined or perceived.

leverage accounting.

the eu is israel’s biggest market, trading partner. with or without uk assistance, the eu could easily wipe the smirks from zionist faces. opec maintains similar leverage, which, when combined with eu leverage, could bring all 3 hegemons (us, uk, israel) to their knees.

nukes, oil and tariffs. be like olmert. don’t wait, don’t stop. punish, punish, then punish some more.

ibn nagrela,

Your accounting is whacked.

Hizballah have been chucking bombs into northern Israel from Lebanon ever since IDF pulled out of southern Lebanon. This was just one more provocation regarding which the Lebanese government and the UN “observers” would do nothing.

It is Hizballah, not Israel that endangers Lebanese civilians in this conflict. They fire from civilian locations. They deliberately hide among civilians as civilians. They use children in combat. They use hospitals, ambulances, schools, and mosques for military purposes. All of these are war crimes because they REMOVE the protections from those entities.

If the Lebanese want Israel out of Lebanon for good, let them take up arms and kill anyone bearing a yellow flag. Otherwise, what happens is regrettable but unavoidable and necessary for the good.

Arabian Accountant:
Just love those jews(ooops, I mean zionists) = nazis rants. No need to disguise the racial context.

Who justifies civilian deaths? Whatever the rationale, those brave fighters hide behind civilians. The more civilians that die the more it feeds the Islamic-induced frenzy. It’s all part of the plan. Haven’t you heard your buddy Nissbullah: He’s sorry when he kills Arab children–but they’re now martyrs and part of the cause. A small comment but it reveals everything.

The nazis killed Jews in self-defence? That’s very rich. Presumably it came from the same historical texts that every book store in the Arab world has that demonstrate that Jews use the blood of others in religious ritual.

Ah, the plan for Jewish world domination:

“destroying any non-jewish state within reach to preserve their race-based racist jewish state, again, in emulation of nazi precursors who “decisively acted” to preserve their race-based racist aryan state.”

Back to the nazi thing. Ho hum.

And yes, everyone needs nukes. What a brilliant idea, especially for those who screeched at Hariri’s funeral to wipe out the Jews, apparently for Hariri’s murder.

Iran needs nukes. Yes but with mass extermination, it would take away all the fun of public hangings and stonings.

The EU; You can depend on France. Apparenly according to its sychopant foreign minister’s unctuous drivel, Iran is a swell place.
The others, I dunno man, they just aren’t that stupid.

“the eu is israel’s biggest market, trading partner. with or without uk assistance, the eu could easily wipe the smirks from zionist faces. opec maintains similar leverage, which, when combined with eu leverage, could bring all 3 hegemons (us, uk, israel) to their knees.”

Go Caliphate Go!

You know when the Western governments finally get it and stop providing a focus for all you exicitable boys, and just let y’all continue what you’ve been doing to each other for centuries, everything will just get back to normal.

Btw number tumbler, don’t get your hopes up about Iran. When they finally run out of external distractions, that expanding 70% under 30, 50% unemployed, bunch of rock and roll loving kids are going to start gutting the mullahs despite their Revolutionary SS (There, I’ve done it. I finally found a legitimate nazi analogy..)

They don’t got the guns but they sure as hell have got the numbers.There, I’ve done it. Can you spell S-H-A-H?

If you really gave a shit about the death of innocents, you could do what a lot of other people do, and attempt to find some intelligent answers in dialogue.

Your hysterical rants are just an excuse. Every event is used to justify your emotional, visceral and inbred racism. Really not productive except for your hizbo agenda for slavery.

isnt it about time the arabs gave up. if they hate this destruction so much why do they always seem to pick a fight with israel. cant they go about things in a more diplomatic way. everyone looks at these muslims as killers and outlaws.they’re luckky this time cuz the last time it cost them 10,000 lives.

33 back tonight to report on zionist american news coverage. o’reilly and all shows on that network today continue to talk about an actor who got drunk and dared to say “the fuckin jews start every war”

5 days ago. nobody mentioned how many American soldiers were killed today in Iraq. nothing about how many kids came home with one arm one leg, and no balls for the rest of their lives. and they certainly have forgotten the hussein trial altogether! can anyone give me an update on that? last i saw (MONTHS AGO) the guy was in a cage yelling at the judge, his lawyer got killed the next day (only the fourth or fifth guy dumb enough to die defending him so far) and boom….off the radar.

my favorite part of my daily 4 hour dose of hypocricy was the shot of candy-leeza abbling about the fact that she left jerusalum yesterday with a solid plan to implement a complete cease fire …this week

hahahahahhaha. 5 seconds later, pan to ohmert telling Israel to prepare for more blood and tears as there will BE NO CEASE FIRE

for 30 seconds, i thought about r