Hariri and Aoun stand to benefit a lot from each other, will it ever Happen?
Aoun’s website has a small side news story: Saad Hariri has met one of his delegates in Paris. In the demo yesterday, there were some orange flags amid the LF and Future ones. Yesterday, Aoun reacted differently to May Chidiac’s assassination bid than he did to Elias el Murr’s one. He is keeping noticeable distance from Lahhoud. Is anything happening that we’re not aware of?
The Footsoldiers of Aoun and of Hariri are deeply skeptical of each other. But the leaders seem to be aware how important it is for them to get together (remember the famous “we have 95% in common between us”?).
Will it happen? Not before the spoilers are silenced.
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September 27th, 2005 at 4:23 pm
IMO when GMA forgets about his presedency and really thinks for lebanon, everything ill be in order.
September 27th, 2005 at 4:44 pm
it won’t happen cause both Future and Aoun are “monopolizers”, meaning they want to control evrything and are not accustomed to sharing. Aoun cannot be bought like the other Hariri allies.
September 27th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
I am making a prediction here: after Mehlis finishes his report, Aounists will try to present Hariri senior as a selfish man who changed his mind about Syria for personal reasons.
September 27th, 2005 at 6:32 pm
He’s already done that…
The next week will be crucial for hizbullah to decide where they stand, they are playing against a wicked clock. With the accusation of Elias Murr against his own uncle, the presidency and Syria are further into shambles. Will Hizbullah still keep sticking to their rhetoric, which would now amount to approving of the process that led to the assassination of Hariri.
It is time for them to either jump out loud and advertize again friendship with the martyr (a la Franjieh), or really ponder a serious shift in position, which they are also incapable of.
September 27th, 2005 at 7:39 pm
The main problem that Aoun has with Hariri is Jumblat, not Hariri.
September 27th, 2005 at 10:39 pm
As always, we are assuming that der generale actually has a sophisticated political strategy that transcends shouting at his followers “into hameer, into bajam” and yelling at reporters, accusing them of not knowing how to ask proper questions.
The world has no room for such “leaders”.
FGA
September 27th, 2005 at 11:26 pm
Mustapha,
in your illustration you portray Saad Hariri asking a conceited-looking Aoun to join the blue bus he’s driving.
You tell us what Saad says, but not what Aoun replies. Allow me to volunteer his answer: “I will join you only if you let me drive and if we paint the bus in orange”
September 28th, 2005 at 12:27 am
It is only natural that the leaders of the 2 largest blocks in Parliament talk about potentially creating a stable coalition. This will be the best situation for Lebanon, not leaving Cabinet decisions to be held hostage by individuals with selfish agendas, such as Walid Jumblatt.
I am a little surprised that commentators on this page seem to be only able to find personal criteria (which by the way many find appealling) for attacking Aoun. Is it perhaps because they have very little issue with his policies.
September 28th, 2005 at 7:23 am
Anon 12:27
what policies?
September 28th, 2005 at 10:33 am
Dear Anon 12:27
Ignorance is not bliss
http://www.tayyar.org/elections/political_program_fr/data/downloads/programanglica.pdf
September 28th, 2005 at 10:52 am
hehehe
evfery time w say something they point us to the program of bullet points. the program that is the same as FM and almost every other political party in Lebanon.
As for what vox said “Aounists will try to present Hariri senior as a selfish man who changed his mind about Syria for personal reasons.”
They already did, and they never seized to say that, reea Aouns reply in al Safir of today, http://www.assafir.com/iso/today/local/63.html where he said exactly what you said..
he is the true Lebanese, FPM are the true lebanese, all others are NOT…
I agree with Anonymous 11:26 said, he will only accept if Aoun drives the bus and paint it orange…..
September 28th, 2005 at 10:57 am
VOX here is what he said: (I hope Arabic can be posted here):
الفرق بيننا وبينهم اننا وضعنا مصيرنا ودمنا على كف عفريت في 14 آذار سنة 1989 لاسترداد سيادة واستقلال لبنان، وهم عندما اصبح مصيرهم على كف عفريت خرجوا من الصف السوري والتجأوا لنا. من هنا اقول ان 14 آذار تاريخا وممارسة هو لنا وليس لهم، هو لمن جاذف 16 سنة وهم اذا التقوا في 14 آذار فذلك وليد صدفة لأنهم لم يعيشوا روحية 14 آذار الحقيقية
September 28th, 2005 at 12:06 pm
Yep Khaled,
And following his same logic, it means that nobody should have revolted against the syrian presence ever after them/us (March 14, 1989), which totally contradicts their/our call back then (in 1989) asking the rest of the lebanese to revolt with them/us.
IMO, Aoun cares more about someone stealing the title “March 14″, 1989, which was a coincidence, than he cares about the spirit of “March 14″, 2005.
We’ve waited for 30 years for this moment, the moment when all factions (unfortunately still not fully completed with HA/Amal out) truly believe that the cause that started in 1978 was a just cause, to find that someone jeopardizing it for the title.
To say the least, this is childish…
A partner in March 14, 1989
September 29th, 2005 at 11:39 am
Khaled finds the program of bullet points to be funny.
Can he please provide a link to a program of bullet points for the FM, or even a preamble maybe?
Anything at all ?
September 29th, 2005 at 2:56 pm
Hi Mustapha,
I think you have a very creative mind. I have added your blog to our news site: Libnen.com.
Keep up the good work,
Ian
September 29th, 2005 at 6:01 pm
Khaled I join the previous anonymous in asking for a link to the program of the FM (and other parties)
I have no doubt you will say they are the same (they can be) what I doubt (and this is what surprised me with the FPM) is the willingness to write their beleifs on paper even the controversial ones, even the ones you will pick on them when you read it even the one you find silly and say here is our program judge us based on it.
I mean if they will change their mind later and change ship they are giving you today a mean to show them they are wrong!
Which other party did that?
I keep hearing all of you guys booing that and i just hope one of you points me to that political program of FM and other parties I keep hearing about.
I am not just saying that to prove you wrong i really searched on google and asked people. For example I had to ask a few people in order to get the FM’s view on civil marriage for example… Why should be so hard?
So please put your links where you mouth is and show us the FM’s program and every other party’s program.
September 29th, 2005 at 6:14 pm
Khaled (and anynymous that followed agreeing) ,
I am unable to follow the link provided to assafir, so I assume you are talking about the bit you quoted.
I think when the general has been saying this about march it is always in the same context Jumblat & Co start by accusing him of getting out of March 14th and he starts replying with things like the phrase khaled quoted.
Also khaled I don’t see you you can understand that Aoun is talking about Hariri senior in this sentence?
Do you mean that Aoun is discrediting Hariri senior by saying he was late to join demonstration staged after his death?
A question to “A partner in March 14″
What do you mean with:
We’ve waited for 30 years for this moment, the moment when all factions (…) truly believe that the cause that started in 1978 was a just cause, to find that someone jeopardizing it for the title.
What is the cause being jeopardized for the title ?
Finally
September 30th, 2005 at 1:24 pm
Dear Anon 6:14
Which part you didn’t understand?
1978? It’s the start of revolt against syrian occupation ( or probably you’re too young to know that). That’s the cause and the case that started some 11 years before March 14th 1989.
The price: hell, it’s peanuts, right?
What’s being jeopardized is the spirit and the revolt of March 14, 2005.
All along during the war, we’ve always dreamed of a day when our lebanese partners accross the green line join us in this revolt.
But now that it happened, someone shot it… Brilliant….
“A partner in March 14, 2005, and in March 14, 1989″
September 30th, 2005 at 8:22 pm
Anons who are asking about FM program:
The FM program is Martyr hariri’s program:
First it existed in writting since 1998 in a book by Martyr Hariri called “statemanship in Governmant” it can be downloaded from this site: http://www.rafikhariri.com/inhiswords.aspx it is in English. french and Arabic
And of you are not in the mood to read much you can read a summary of the most important part here (A view towards the future): http://www.rafikhariri.com/inhiswords2.aspx
Second a more recent program published by FM can be found at futuremovement.org forum here: http://www.futuremovement.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2772
Once you managed to consume the above, please tell me as I have other material for your use
September 30th, 2005 at 8:28 pm
and again if you are not in the mood, here is a summary I made some time ago include the most important 15 points:
1. Financial reform inclusive privatization and securitization with total transparency and a profitable financial return.
2. Raising the level of health, education and social services inclusive modernizing and reforming social security programs and the way the NSSF (Daman) works; where the workers are not really benefiting from it. The Plan included the possibility of decentralization and having Municipalities to gradually responsible for social development programs, with direct support from the central government.
3. Have the Beirut municipality council active and not to go back to the mohafez every time they need to do something in Beirut did you know that Beirut is the only municipality in Lebanon that can do nothing in terms of projects etc… without asking for the Mohafez approval, and that the mohafez is the ONLY one that has the first and final saying?
4. Modernize the way business is done
5. Build more schools,
6. There is a plan (that was actually mentioned by him way before Dubai internet city) to build a technology village in Damour. PS. This is why Dr. Jallolul joined the parliament as one of her duties was to lead this project
7. Make the country reach the 21st century in terms of Hotels, infra structure, etcc; thus encouraging foreign investment in it.
8. There was a plan to build a convention palace in Beirut inclusive a hotel to attract international venues
9. As he managed to get ESCWA to have its head quarters in Lebanon, he was trying to make Beirut as the head quarters of OPEC
10. He had an environmental emergency plan-of-action and outlined his vision for a comprehensive environmental policy in Lebanon
11. Placed special importance to Lebanese expatriates as he managed to have some of the brilliant minds come back to Lebanon.
12. Support the private sector and encouraging it to work and expand the search for new job opportunities.
13. of course not to forget to continue the health and education policy; like for example Beirut Govermental Hospital with its 550 beds did not open until today … why? Due to the obstacles that are being placed in front of it by the local Mafia.
14. Provide a total and complete independence of the civil and administrative judiciary from political interference and pressure.
15. Administrative reform
September 30th, 2005 at 8:36 pm
and anons,
here is a summary of FPM program at tayyar http://www.tayyar.org/tayyar/articles.php?type=news&article_id=3716
the funny part is if you read the economical program there, you think that you are reading Hariri’s… and despite that.. Aoun commented as follows:
According to Michel Aoun, the FPM was not in agreement with late Prime Minister Rafik Hariri’s economic policies, because they hampered economic development and created high costs by pouring money into unproductive projects.
Inno I do not understand, the whole article on Tayyar is promoting Hariri’s policies and in the end Aoun said he did not agree with what Hariri’s policies were.. How is that ?
Maybe he did not understand the economic ploicy of both FPM and FM!!!!!!!
October 1st, 2005 at 1:38 am
Khaled,
where in the FM suppossed program, available in the forum, which makes it not official, is the part about building new Parliament buildings for Syria’s Baath?, and a new home for Hafez Assad.
Has Mr Harriri Jnr, even made a public policy speech about anything other than the assasination of his Father and the nongoing investigation. Who is the President of the FM, who is the Secretary?, who is reponsible for Information and contact with the media? Please shed a light on these mysterious questions? Don’t respond with info on the FPM’s program - I’m not interested.
October 1st, 2005 at 6:51 am
Previous post, spelling mistake “non-going should have been ongoing”
October 1st, 2005 at 9:47 pm
Khalid how much of a lackey are u?
You seem to want Baaraddin Harriri to badly notice u, or ur a blind sheep follower. Wake up and smell the coffee. The FM will be a spent force by the next election.
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:10 am
Anon Oct 1 @ 1:38 PM
The program that is on the Forum was distributed by FM to all natoinal news agency.
Is that the only argument that you could come up with on whether it is offical or not?
Did you read the one at Rafik Hariri Site?
Did you even bother to read it in the Forum?
Did you even bother to read the one of Tayyarr and compare it to FM?
Did you even bother to see the EXACT ideas in FM and FPM program?
Did you even look on GMA statement Commenting on something he doesnt know off?
I guess you commented just for the sake of commenting.
And mustaphaknowsall: thank you for the use of such low level language. I am not looking for any type of recognition, I do what I believe in. And I did’nt know that you are Nostradamous Khalifa..
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:26 pm
Khaled, I’ve looked through your posts around this site and others. You seem to be absolutely obsessed in Michel Aoun. You spend much time trying to discredit him. This must come from the lack of things to write about when it comes to the FM. As a salesperson, I was always trained to “always focus on the positives of my offering rather than trying to convince others of the negatives of the alternative”. It looks like you are having troubling applying this concept as there is actually very little FM substance on which to focus.
I still remeber at the time of the attempt on Murr’s life General Aoun Said “who are they going to blame now? syria? and he went on defending el ajhiza el amnie…
Today in al-safir Aoun cofessed that he knew about Murr’s story while he was in Paris….
IMO when GMA forgets about his presedency and really thinks for lebanon, everything ill be in order.
They already did, and they never seized to say that, reea Aouns reply in al Safir of today, http://www.assafir.com/iso/today/local/63.html where he said exactly what you said..
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:39 pm
Anon 1:26
How did you determine that I am obsessed with him? if you saw two out of ten posts I made at my blog in which i critisized aoun, you condier that I am obsessed with him?
inno the reason I commented here about aoun coz Mustafas blog I replied to was about that topic…..
as for FM stands and whether to promote them or not; well I am neither a salesman nor an FM member, and as long as I am a supporter only, I see no need to promote FM stands..
as for your latest comment, “
They already did, and they never seized to say that, reea Aouns reply in al Safir of today, http://www.assafir.com/iso/today/local/63.html where he said exactly what you said..”
Again I repeat what I said 100,000 I wish he practices what he preaches
October 3rd, 2005 at 10:32 pm
Khaled, you can not deny your obsession. What about your posts on other sites/blogs? I agree that you do not represent the FM, as surely the FM stands for more than GMA bashing. It must claim to offer more than the negative comments and rivalry offered by your comments.
Also Khaled, an honest questions for which I seek an honest reply?
GMA has been saying it straight for over 20 years - Syria occupies Lebanon. When did you start to openly and clearly state the same, or at the very least question Syria’s role in Lebanon? How can a last minute passenger like you claim to be able to judge the actions of a veteran sacrificer for Lebanon like Aoun.
If you seek to win friends and influence people, I suggest you offer positive opinion and alternatives as appossed to devoting your thoughts to rubbishing an individual very respected by a great number of Lebanese.
R.B
October 4th, 2005 at 10:25 am
R.B.
In reply to your question on who started first and who started what, here is my long legthy answer:
There are different types of resistance:
Method One:
Is to go outside and resist from outside (like GMA and Raymond Edde did)
Method Two:
Is stay in the country and resist politically from outside the cabinet, then either end up in Jail (ja3ja3) or get murdered (Ramzi Iranai)
Method Three:
To resist from within
Try to make the country better, by fighting politically and try to have the country ready when the occupation is removed.. That is what Martyr Hariri did.
One of the virtues of Martyr Hariri (by testimony of many) was dialogue, he always tried every door, if the door closes he used to try another door…
In 1998, he felt that his method will not work, so he went out of the government and tried Method Two… which led to false imprisonment of his guys.
In 2000, and despite the counter efforts, Martyr Hariri won the elections and went back to practice the third way, if you remember the first thing that he insisted on was the re-deployment of the Syrian troops; at that time Syrian troops left Beirut and other parts of Lebanon (but unfortunately the intelligence forces remained)..
Now coming in 2004, he again as in 1998 saw that all the doors are closed, he went back to Method Two which lead to his Martyrisim….
Now even if I consider your assumption that Martyr Hariri Was Pro-Syrian, he changed – he got murdered…. While others are STILL Pro-Syrian..
SO I beg all of you to stop saying nonsense.. If he was pro-Syrian he would still be Between us …
I also like to ask you the same question about your position from 1990 to 2000, regarding the Isareli occupation. I am not here trying to say that you supported the Israelis for I deeply know that you didn’t support them, but to understand the Non FPM and LF position regarding the Syrian PRESENCE, you have to search in your position regarding Israel. If deeply you didn’t care then we didn’t care, If you were concerned but thought that you can do nothing, then the same applies to us. If you wished you can do something but thought that the methode used were wrong then so we did.
All this to say that yes some people worked and wished that Syria will never leave, Some others didn’t care, others were supportive in their way, Some would have loved to to resist but their way, ans some WERE with you on august 7th. and all this is now OVER for the most important now is not who and when started to resist Syria or Israel.
The most important now is to build a better future for our children, and together.
October 4th, 2005 at 10:27 am
PS: I have blogged the above at my site…..
October 4th, 2005 at 10:37 am
Khaled. You misunderstood. I was asking you a question. I do not question the actions of Rafik Harriri. He paid for Lebanon with his life.
I want you to know that we one day have to work together for the sake of Lebanon. Regarding your opinions of GMA, it’s your opinion and your entitled to it, I just differ and you have to recognize that there are many people like me. In regards to Israel, I actively wrote to international press and on forum’s against their occupation of Southern Lebanon. At the same time, I could not stay silent on Syria. In regards to the FM, I am looking for the emergence of a true political force with a strong direction moving forwards, and I hope that this emerges. My resentent comes from the use of the unfair 2000 election law.
R.B.
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